Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 115. (Read 450471 times)

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People with psychiatric issues should definitely be banned from purchasing or obtaining firearms and as for criminals, Anyone involved in a violent crime or perhaps like the uks policy, anyone who has spent more than 3 years in jail will be banned from guns. These are sensible means of gun control to sane people. Some people want it to be like the wild west though. 

People with psychiatric issues must be banned from purchasing guns, but I don't agree with extending the ban to those with criminal convictions. Nowadays, a lot of the criminal charges are forged. In Germany, if you post in Facebook against the mass immigration of Arabs, then you will be arrested and put behind bars. Do such people deserve to be banned from gun possession? I don't think so. 

I was just curious. What kind of government and authority are you? Are you a king? Are you a dictator? You must be the authority above all other authority, because you are telling the authorities what they should do, right?

the government and the authority should not have to let people who have criminal record or those people who have a psychological disorders to possess a gun or any other firearms . and they should know if a person who wants to own a gun is capable to control his temper just to make sure that he will never become overpowered .

guns can be use for self defense it's purpose is not actually to kill but if it's necessary to kill someone just save many person or many live then you have to do it . but the government and the authorities should be strict of giving a permission to someone who want to own a fire-arms .

Doubt if the govt going to ban for real as they pay heavily to politicians

This is undoubtably the silliest post yet on this thread.  Look at what you are saying and please consider revising it.

First, you argue that "mental care" exists and is effective against not just mental illness but wrong social thinking.

Second, you attribute as cause the lack of money to get "mental care," no more or less.

Third, you suggest that government investigations need to be deeper.

So your solution.


Government "mental care."
Government subsidizing the cost of Government "mental care."
Government expanding "background and mental checks."

It is simple. Some people believe humans are good. Others believe humans are born evil and should never be trusted. If you own a way to defend yourself you believe it is because you are bad. What most logical human beings here are trying to tell you is... Bad people do no need guns to harm you because they are bad people.

Yes. The world is better place because a lot of nations have nuke.

You said everyone and their dog has a gun. By dog did you mean female dog? A knife cannot save a woman against a man twice her size. A gun put her on equal level. The gun is the ultimate equalizer for women.

You already knew all of this. Sadly you'll need to experience this terrible truth yourself or by one of your loved ones to understand. Something I do not wish upon you.


The KKK began as a gun-control organization. Before the Civil War, blacks were never allowed to own guns. During the Civil War, blacks kept guns for the first time – either they served in the Union army and they were allowed to keep their guns, or they buy guns on the open market where for the first time there’s hundreds of thousands of guns flooding the marketplace after the war ends. So they arm up because they know who they’re dealing with in the South. White racists do things like pass laws to disarm them, but that’s not really going to work. So they form these racist posses all over the South to go out at night in large groups to terrorize blacks and take those guns away. If blacks were disarmed, they couldn’t fight back.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/gun-control-was-historically-about-represssing-blacks.html

Sure,  just like if all countries had nukes whenever a rogue country decided to blow up another country everyone else could blow up the rogue country.  So pretty simple,  the world is a better place if everyone has nukes.

If guns are hard to get access to then why make it easy by letting everyone have the?  Again  this doesnt really count for america  because everyone and their dog has a gun.

If everybody had guns then everybody could defend themselves against maniacs and psychopaths that want to cause harm to yourself or other people. Pretty simple concept is it not? Some killer with mental illness and violence would be put down in the act.

The issue isn't gun control, it's not getting people the proper mental care they need. If people could afford to see a professional to get help they may not turn to violence. That being said I do believe there needs to be a more thourough process of background and mental check before being able to purchase any weapon.

The government needs to be much more strict about the gun control.
Even people with criminal records can legally get a gun and that's crazy.

I am agree that people should choose whether to buy or not a weapon

I especially feel safer having a gun, people have always had the spirit of superiority and a gun makes everyone the same, it may seem crazy what I'm saying, but I've seen many people being a battered, raped, being killed only for pleasure, if I had a gun could deffender these people, not in order to kill the rapist, but in the sense that the violator would be afraid to know I have a gun, women are raped because they are fragile before the violators, but if they how to protect would not violated.

I think guns are a good defense for the "weak" and can make difference, who was already robbed, understand WHAT I mean!

Ok you've quoted one case that's relevant to america and your trying to push that as a worldwide motion?  We are all aware that America has some crazy ideas but that doesn't mean it stands in other countries.  I mean you guys are actually afraid of your government and have a whole load of conspiracy theories about why you need guns.  Anyway im not arguing against self defense, i don't know why you brought that up.  What I'm saying is in the uk guns are not needed as a form of self defense.




You looked like you were going somewhere with what you were saying about gun crime in the uk but then you linked to a nice graph about crime in Australia.  




So you think I'm lying about this?

Uk is well known to catalogue the slightest thing as a violent crime,  the majority of gun crime catalogued in the uk is actually people being arrested for bb guns and air rifles.  Also your links directly contradict mine but you share borders with Mexico and the uk is an island but you think the uk is more violent?  Have you been to the UK?

The right to self defense does not get old and die.

Are you a public school educated millennial or what?

That's not excuse for being ignorant.  Here, let me help by educating you about a case from just 8 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller#Second_Amendment_findings_and_reasoning_for_the_decision

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court undertook its first-ever "in-depth examination" of the second amendment's meaning Id. at 635. After a lengthy historical discussion, the Court ultimately concluded that the second amendment "guarantees the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation" (id. at 592); that "central to" this right is "the inherent right of self-defense"(id. at 628); that "the home" is "where the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute" (id. at 628); and that, "above all other interests," the second amendment elevates "the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home" (id. at 635). Based on this understanding, the Court held that a District of Columbia law banning handgun possession in the home violated the second amendment."

"The core holding in D.C. v. Heller is that the Second Amendment is an individual right intimately tied to the natural right of self-defense."

When you compare to the usa then yes.


edit:- my editing of the chart was not very good, you can see it here better if you wish
STAT    United Kingdom    United States    HISTORY
Believes crime increasing in the past 3 years    53.35
Ranked 75th.    65.22
Ranked 44th. 22% more than United Kingdom    
Crime levels    48
Ranked 42nd.    55.84
Ranked 30th. 16% more than United Kingdom    
Drugs > Opiates use    0.9%
Ranked 1st. 58% more than United States    0.57%
Ranked 3rd.    
Fear of crime > Feels safe walking alone > At night    50.72
Ranked 47th. 21% more than United States    41.84
Ranked 60th.    
Fear of crime > Violent hate crime    27.22
Ranked 49th.    32.55
Ranked 31st. 20% more than United Kingdom    
Justice system > Punishment > Capital punishment (last execution year)    1,953
Ranked 1st.    2,014
Ranked 1st. 3% more than United Kingdom    
Murders with firearms per million    0.236
Ranked 44th.    32.57
Ranked 10th. 138 times more than United Kingdom    
Prisoners    78,753 prisoners
Ranked 15th.    2.02 million prisoners
Ranked 1st. 26 times more than United Kingdom    
Total crimes    6.52 million
Ranked 2nd.    11.88 million
Ranked 1st. 82% more than United Kingdom    
Total crimes per 1000    109.96
Ranked 4th. 3 times more than United States    41.29
Ranked 22nd.    
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate    1.17
Ranked 74th.    4.7
Ranked 7th. 4 times more than United Kingdom    
Violent crime > Murder rate    722
Ranked 34th.    12,996
Ranked 9th. 18 times more than United Kingdom    
Violent crime > Murder rate per million people    11.68
Ranked 94th.    42.01
Ranked 43th. 4 times more than United Kingdom    
Violent crime > Murders    722
Ranked 34th.    12,996
Ranked 9th. 18 times more than United Kingdom    
Violent crime > Murders per million people    11.68
Ranked 94th.    42.01
Ranked 43th. 4 times more than United Kingdom


I cant really take your arguments seriously when all the information you use to back up your claims are at the very least 100 years old. What was relevant back then is not relevant now a days .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae