What's your opinion of gun control? - page 149.

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Quote from: -Tx-Rider on January 25, 2016, 08:31:14 AM

People control is better. A guy with temper and other connected emotions might use it for personal gains.

It's odd to see people wearing guns aside from cops.

All regulation by government is people control.

There was a time in American history where people all over the (then small) United States wore guns.

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People control is better. A guy with temper and other connected emotions might use it for personal gains.

It's odd to see people wearing guns aside from cops.

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Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

Thank you for making my point.

I suspect you wanted to explain that guns can supplant cold weapons, but as you seem too lazy to read above, that was not my claim to say that guns are weaker on close ranged combat... So you're just arguing for my point of view... Which was clearly not your intent.

How do you know that the weapons the bear used were "cold weapons?" After all, if the AK-47s were used, they wouldn't have been cold.

What does your claim or non-claim have to do even with the idea that we are arguing?

Ok I'm just going to ignore you. You don't even deserve my attention.

Oh thank you. This will make it easier for me. I won't have to constantly try to determine if you are simply ignorant, or if you are trying to be deceitful.

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Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

Thank you for making my point.

I suspect you wanted to explain that guns can supplant cold weapons, but as you seem too lazy to read above, that was not my claim to say that guns are weaker on close ranged combat... So you're just arguing for my point of view... Which was clearly not your intent.

How do you know that the weapons the bear used were "cold weapons?" After all, if the AK-47s were used, they wouldn't have been cold.

What does your claim or non-claim have to do even with the idea that we are arguing?

Ok I'm just going to ignore you. You don't even deserve my attention.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 25, 2016, 07:59:14 AM

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Quote from: TinEye on June 19, 2015, 07:15:36 AM

this is an interesting argument, some times avoided, some country allow to easy to access to weapons, there should be more restriction, in USA it is so easy that everyone can buy one of those gun, they often call it a far west for good reason, i think that there can't be good gun control, because this things are born to kill and when you face the death you will do everything to survive, and your control will not be 100%, your focus is only on your survival nothing else, so it is easy to hurt someone that ahs nothing to do with your dispute, especially if it happen in pubblic, like in the usa or russia

Obviously you know nothing of gun purchase procedures in the USA.

Just saying.

Well maybe it's not true and we have a wrong vision of it. When you watch Bowling for Columbine it's really amazing to see that opening a bank account can lead to receiving a gun xD
And the fact that ammunitions are sold at the hairdresser.... It's incredible!

Okay, how about I do nothing but quote lies about France? Then we'd be even.

First: I started by "maybe it's not true" just to explain you why we have this impression and where does it come from.
Second: Bowling for Columbine is a documentary. It may lie about some facts, that's possible. But you actually see Michael Moore buying bullets at the hairdresser and getting a gun for opening a bank account, as a gift.

I don't doubt that it's a real tiny minority, but the fact that it exists is already incredible.

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 06:15:04 AM

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Quote from: TinEye on June 19, 2015, 07:15:36 AM

this is an interesting argument, some times avoided, some country allow to easy to access to weapons, there should be more restriction, in USA it is so easy that everyone can buy one of those gun, they often call it a far west for good reason, i think that there can't be good gun control, because this things are born to kill and when you face the death you will do everything to survive, and your control will not be 100%, your focus is only on your survival nothing else, so it is easy to hurt someone that ahs nothing to do with your dispute, especially if it happen in pubblic, like in the usa or russia

Obviously you know nothing of gun purchase procedures in the USA.

Just saying.

Well maybe it's not true and we have a wrong vision of it. When you watch Bowling for Columbine it's really amazing to see that opening a bank account can lead to receiving a gun xD
And the fact that ammunitions are sold at the hairdresser.... It's incredible!

Okay, how about I do nothing but quote lies about France? Then we'd be even.

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 06:57:39 AM

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

Thank you for making my point.

I suspect you wanted to explain that guns can supplant cold weapons, but as you seem too lazy to read above, that was not my claim to say that guns are weaker on close ranged combat... So you're just arguing for my point of view... Which was clearly not your intent.

How do you know that the weapons the bear used were "cold weapons?" After all, if the AK-47s were used, they wouldn't have been cold.

What does your claim or non-claim have to do even with the idea that we are arguing?

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Quote from: BADecker on January 25, 2016, 06:49:14 AM

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 06:13:12 AM

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

Thank you for making my point.

I suspect you wanted to explain that guns can supplant cold weapons, but as you seem too lazy to read above, that was not my claim to say that guns are weaker on close ranged combat... So you're just arguing for my point of view... Which was clearly not your intent.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

Thank you for making my point.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 25, 2016, 06:33:24 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on January 25, 2016, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Your point being?

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Quote from: BADecker on January 25, 2016, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 24, 2016, 09:59:26 PM

Quote from: TinEye on June 19, 2015, 07:15:36 AM

this is an interesting argument, some times avoided, some country allow to easy to access to weapons, there should be more restriction, in USA it is so easy that everyone can buy one of those gun, they often call it a far west for good reason, i think that there can't be good gun control, because this things are born to kill and when you face the death you will do everything to survive, and your control will not be 100%, your focus is only on your survival nothing else, so it is easy to hurt someone that ahs nothing to do with your dispute, especially if it happen in pubblic, like in the usa or russia

Obviously you know nothing of gun purchase procedures in the USA.

Just saying.

Well maybe it's not true and we have a wrong vision of it. When you watch Bowling for Columbine it's really amazing to see that opening a bank account can lead to receiving a gun xD
And the fact that ammunitions are sold at the hairdresser.... It's incredible!

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Quote from: BADecker on January 25, 2016, 05:50:53 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:51:58 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 23, 2016, 08:26:19 PM

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

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Quote from: TinEye on June 19, 2015, 07:15:36 AM

this is an interesting argument, some times avoided, some country allow to easy to access to weapons, there should be more restriction, in USA it is so easy that everyone can buy one of those gun, they often call it a far west for good reason, i think that there can't be good gun control, because this things are born to kill and when you face the death you will do everything to survive, and your control will not be 100%, your focus is only on your survival nothing else, so it is easy to hurt someone that ahs nothing to do with your dispute, especially if it happen in pubblic, like in the usa or russia

Obviously you know nothing of gun purchase procedures in the USA.

Just saying.

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Quote from: eon89 on January 24, 2016, 01:41:47 PM

The states that let people buy guns from stores like you'd be buying bread require a permit and courses to be taken, like when you get a driver's license?
Of course, we should all get guns and shoot everybody that comes our way.
Your teeth are not straight, I don't like it - BAM - you're dead.

The States don't really have any choice in the matter. Any person who knows a little basic law can run all over State law regarding guns... if he wants.

Consider Waco. The only reason that there are not a lot of Koresh-type churches is, there are not a lot of people interested in doing that kind of thing. However, if the State or Federal want to do another Waco thing, there are going to be a lot of people up in arms all over.

Federal was trying to make an example of Waco. What it did was anger the people. The only reason that the people don't do anything about it is, they haven't been pushed quite far enough yet. Next time. State gun laws won't stop the people, and SHOULDN'T stop the people.

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Quote from: eon89 on January 24, 2016, 01:41:47 PM

Of course, we should all get guns and shoot everybody that comes our way.
Your teeth are not straight, I don't like it - BAM - you're dead.

^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

No mentally-sound, law-abiding person would say that.

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The states that let people buy guns from stores like you'd be buying bread require a permit and courses to be taken, like when you get a driver's license?
Of course, we should all get guns and shoot everybody that comes our way.
Your teeth are not straight, I don't like it - BAM - you're dead.

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Quote from: mOgliE on January 23, 2016, 10:05:01 AM

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 22, 2016, 06:14:39 PM

Well, you cannot substantiate "totally crazy." It's okay that you feel that way, I am simply indicating that those are just your opinions - they are not facts. You may be frankly, fearful of something you don't understand. Something you have been told is fearful. I do know people like that.

However, there is ZERO crazy or fearful about some number of licensed persons walking around carrying firearms. Zero.

I get the impression you live in a very cloistered, urban environment. Never been to a range and fired any kind of firearm. Don't know how they work or what actual dangers they post. You have never been close to a roaming bear. Never been surprised by a poisonous snake a few feet away. Never been hunting. Never gotten lost driving, found yourself in a neighborhood that you knew was seriously dangerous.

That's my impression. That you would like to expound on a subject that you don't know anything about.

Nothing wrong with that, really. But it's extraordinary that you would claim authority to tell others how they should live their lives, on a subject you don't know anything about.

LOL...

You're more or less right, never went hunting and I live in a city. Already went to a range and use a few firearms as a hobby, didn't find that really fun though, especially considering the price xD
Already got lost in a "non safe area" but fact is that... There is no really such things here in France. Cause even in unsafe areas, well the "bad guys" have no guns so police feels safe enough to patrol regularly here too.. So you don't really feel safe but you also no that you're still rather safe and that nothing will happen statistically....

Really? I've heard of the Gangs of Marseilles from all the way over here.

I don't believe you.

Believe it or not ^^

I studied in the north of Marseille for three years, so in the "dangerous district". Nothing ever happened there.
Yeah there are gangs in Marseille, but they don't do much most of the time. It's just that as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ever happen in other cities (talking about fights with guns here, not saying it's only peace and love), the fact that a gang fights another one once or twice a year is a big news for us xD

Anyway, there is still around 50 murders by firearms in France every year, so of course it has to happen somewhere. And most of them happen in few districts of Paris and North zone of Marseille. But I lived there for three years and nothing happen 99% of the times. Just that when something happens it's more likely to be there.

This website shows crime in France to be about 10% less than that in the USA.

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

That's a very, very slight difference compared say to (US or France) versus South Africa.

However, suppose you look at homicide rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade

Here the USA is perhaps average (5/100,000) but France is on the low side (1/100,000).

country - total - homicides - suicides
USA 10.64 3.55 6.70
France 2.83 0.21 2.16

It looks to me like the criminal in France is more likely to attack with a meat cleaver than a gun. But the person intended to commit suicide finds it easier to use a gun than a meat cleaver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Of course that's why I was talking only about violent crimes. It's not because there is gun control that there will be no thief anymore. But the idea is that they don't use guns. So it's much less dangerous (believe it or not a knife is less dangerous than an mp5) so there is a lower homicide rate.

Crime rates, taking all crimes into account, is more a question of social and economic situation. And on this point I'd say we're slightly better but frankly speaking it's just an impression. I think we have more or less the same economic state.

Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times. Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny. Then the bear came in.

Next. Three dead soldiers.

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