What's your opinion of gun control? - page 146.

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 02, 2016, 10:31:40 AM

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 02, 2016, 08:00:54 AM

Which make me come back to my original point.... Where is Michael Moore lying?

It seems he's perfectly right no?

And I'm seeing a HUGE problem with the fact that more or less anyone can sell firearms and bullets to more or less anybody Oo

What is the huge problem other than you knee jerk conditioning to associate guns with violence? Do you think that way every time you see a knife or do you think ham sandwich? Just because you have never had a ham sandwich doesn't make the knife only for violence.

I'm no longer arguing with you dude, you're just ignoring the parts of my speech that are troublesome for you.

Wanna know what I think is a problem? I think there is a huge correlation between gun freedom and the incredible high violent crimes rate of your country. And I see no really good point in gun liberty as you're not protected from anything, neither banks nor rapes. Again I brought to you stats making those points.

No. Not unless you can try to articulate logical arguments better than has been evident so for.

Stating "I think" or "I see" is not evidence, and what "stats you have brought" seem to have had their horses shot out from under them.

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I often go back and forth on this issue,mostly leaning towards every one being able to have a gun.
Would say no to those with mental health issues but I can not trust a government agency to deal with this in a up and up way.
It does need to be looked at and figured out and thats the only issue I have with guns,besides people respecting them and knowing how to use one in a safe manner.

The part of me that pushes this way is watching some brutality coming out of the Middle east that in all honesty sickens me.
Watched some young men thrown from a roof by a mob that got me thinking and then recently a video of I think a dutch reporter being dragged off by a mob to be raped. Her screams echo in my head and really disturbed me. Being a person that would like to believe I would lay me life down to protect those I love,it was hard to watch these people gather like it was entertainment.
Since I can not grasp what makes them believe a womens life is worth nothing,I rather protect people around me when the day comes.
Sadly I think its going to get worse before it gets better,with the mass movement around the world.
Next to be followed by Environmental refugees,its going to be a crazy world till people realize enough is enough.

Rant over.

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Quote from: a7mos on February 02, 2016, 05:17:01 PM

When guns are available easily to anyone to buy, this cause high amounts of crimes

Tell all the violent criminals in the UK and their disarmed victims "YOU DON'T EXIST!" on a YouTube video where you show your own face unblurred and honestly state your ID, then.

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Quote from: a7mos on February 02, 2016, 05:17:01 PM

After seeing what happened Oregon, I believe that If there were a gun control in the US, this would not happen.
When guns are available easily to anyone to buy, this cause high amounts of crimes

The Oregon thing would not happen if the people had no guns.

Government would heard ALL the people into cities to make slaves of them. It is only gun freedom that keeps this from happening.

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After seeing what happened Oregon, I believe that If there were a gun control in the US, this would not happen.
When guns are available easily to anyone to buy, this cause high amounts of crimes

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Quote from: Racey on February 02, 2016, 04:50:17 PM

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Quote from: Racey on February 02, 2016, 04:24:30 PM

Here is what the fat, world controller says.

"If the people want bread, give them bread.
If they want guns, shoot the bastards"

That's you, Mr. Gun. Hop right up there all by yourself and shoot somebody. Grin

lol but they do prefer you just to have bread, to survive, if we all had guns it would be pandemonium.
You know we are slaves to the fat controller, as a matter of fact I abhor weaponry.
And the fat ones would shoot anyone.

If starting today, suddenly we all had guns, there might be some pandemonium in some places. But if it were introduced as a requirement that people wear guns when off their residence, and if there was training over a 5-year period, not only would there be no pandemonium, but there would be no need for police, and crime would go way down.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 04:30:19 PM

Quote from: Racey on February 02, 2016, 04:24:30 PM

Here is what the fat, world controller says.

"If the people want bread, give them bread.
If they want guns, shoot the bastards"

That's you, Mr. Gun. Hop right up there all by yourself and shoot somebody. Grin

lol but they do prefer you just to have bread, to survive, if we all had guns it would be pandemonium.
You know we are slaves to the fat controller, as a matter of fact I abhor weaponry.
And the fat ones would shoot anyone.

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Quote from: bizerinm on February 02, 2016, 04:28:28 PM

If you are normal,stable person you won't mind if police have in their record that you own a gun. But all people that spits on gun control probably have their own reasons for that which are not with good intentions

We all have the right to private property. This includes privacy in the guns we hold. This is basic law in America and other countries. You never see government reporting which of its agents have guns and where their guns are located.

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Quote from: bizerinm on February 02, 2016, 04:28:28 PM

If you are normal,stable person you won't mind if police have in their record that you own a gun. But all people that spits on gun control probably have their own reasons for that which are not with good intentions

Libel ^

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Quote from: Racey on February 02, 2016, 04:24:30 PM

Here is what the fat, world controller says.

"If the people want bread, give them bread.
If they want guns, shoot the bastards"

That's you, Mr. Gun. Hop right up there all by yourself and shoot somebody. Grin

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If you are normal,stable person you won't mind if police have in their record that you own a gun. But all people that spits on gun control probably have their own reasons for that which are not with good intentions

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Soon, I have to go away.

Here is what the fat, world controller says.

"If the people want bread, give them bread.
If they want guns, shoot the bastards"

BADecker

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Quote from: Ernstew on February 02, 2016, 02:55:06 PM

People should not be allowed to by gun like a bread in the shop. Bread is bread and gun is gun, so increasing violence is connected to this. And also must controle people who have guns like they will open army shop

Waitress, thank you for the piece of bread with my meal.

The bread tastes good, even if it has a side flavor of arsenic, and the smell of cyanide.

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People should not be allowed to by gun like a bread in the shop. Bread is bread and gun is gun, so increasing violence is connected to this. And also must controle people who have guns like they will open army shop

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 02, 2016, 08:33:04 AM

Quote from: mOgliE on February 02, 2016, 08:00:54 AM

Which make me come back to my original point.... Where is Michael Moore lying?

It seems he's perfectly right no?

And I'm seeing a HUGE problem with the fact that more or less anyone can sell firearms and bullets to more or less anybody Oo

What is the huge problem other than you knee jerk conditioning to associate guns with violence? Do you think that way every time you see a knife or do you think ham sandwich? Just because you have never had a ham sandwich doesn't make the knife only for violence.

I'm no longer arguing with you dude, you're just ignoring the parts of my speech that are troublesome for you.

Wanna know what I think is a problem? I think there is a huge correlation between gun freedom and the incredible high violent crimes rate of your country. And I see no really good point in gun liberty as you're not protected from anything, neither banks nor rapes. Again I brought to you stats making those points.

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 02, 2016, 08:00:54 AM

Which make me come back to my original point.... Where is Michael Moore lying?

It seems he's perfectly right no?

And I'm seeing a HUGE problem with the fact that more or less anyone can sell firearms and bullets to more or less anybody Oo

What is the huge problem other than you knee jerk conditioning to associate guns with violence? Do you think that way every time you see a knife or do you think ham sandwich? Just because you have never had a ham sandwich doesn't make the knife only for violence.

mOgliE

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Which make me come back to my original point.... Where is Michael Moore lying?

It seems he's perfectly right no?

And I'm seeing a HUGE problem with the fact that more or less anyone can sell firearms and bullets to more or less anybody Oo

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 02, 2016, 03:48:19 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 29, 2016, 07:18:08 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 29, 2016, 08:50:34 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 25, 2016, 03:41:57 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:31:42 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2016, 01:27:28 PM

Who gives a fuck what the French think about our domestic laws? What are they going to do? Not call us for help again next time they get their asses kicked?

Dude if you don't want my opinion don't go on a thread named "your opinion on guns' control".
For the "not call us for help" part, yeah thanks when you see how you screwed us after I wonder if nazis were not better...
And I like it how WWII is the proof of French incapacity to protect themselves and American great heart but how Lafayette is forgotten.

I'll take the time to read your links later. But as I said and as you ignored, I apologized for the misunderstanding of the stats you provided. I can't really give you more than an apology. But it doesn't demonstrate your point as I was talking about violent crimes. Of course you could argue that "making a population safe" aso includes minor crimes like thefts. But guns won't increase thief, that's rather obvious there is no corelation between the two.

So I was talking about violent crimes rates and homicides. That's why I was talking about mass shootings.

And if my opinion offenses you, again don't go on a thread made for that or ignore me.

LOL, an opinion based on "facts" from Michael Moore is fundamentally insulting.

But go read some of the links and see what you think then.

Ok so I took the time to read PARTS of your link. Yeah parts because it's deep and heavy legislation text in English and sorry but I took some times to read what seemed important, I' to me so I might have omitted some things. If you're not happy with that then go read the whole French legislation to have an idea of how difficult it is for a non native English speaker ><

And... Well it perfectly confirms Michael Moore documentary sorry. I don't see any "propaganda" in what he made. The very basis of owning a firearm dealer license is "Is not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition, nor in the case of a corporation, partnership, or association, is any individual possessing, directly or indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the management and policies of the corporation, partnership, or association prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition;"

So in short, not doing anything illegal. Which means that more or less any business can sell weapons and bullets if the local police force allows it.

I don't see the propaganda here. Again, I'm trying to be humble as I'm pretty sure I don't understood everything of the USA legislation, but all I see is an incredible freedom of firearms.

what the hell you talking about? The specific rights acquired by someone getting the Federal Firearms License is to sell guns as a dealer. It has nothing at all to do with the local police department.

This affirms several aspects of the right to possess guns as laid out in our constitution.

Not sure I understand your point then...

In what is Michael Moore wrong? Can't a barber sell guns if he gots the license? Doesn't it seem like totally crazy that more or less anyone can sell guns and anyone can buy some? Cause that's what I understood from your link ^^'

Assuming the barber passed the background check and paid the fees, then after his application for the FFL was approved, he could sell guns to people who passed their background checks. Some states have more restrictive requirements, in which case the individual would also have to qualify for the requirements of his state.

Few people would see anything wrong with that.

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Should be some control so people with criminal record and past and violent people can not have it at least on legal way. And must be some database of type of weapons. Police and forces must know what civilians have in their homes

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 29, 2016, 07:18:08 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 29, 2016, 08:50:34 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 25, 2016, 03:41:57 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on January 25, 2016, 03:31:42 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 25, 2016, 01:27:28 PM

Who gives a fuck what the French think about our domestic laws? What are they going to do? Not call us for help again next time they get their asses kicked?

Dude if you don't want my opinion don't go on a thread named "your opinion on guns' control".
For the "not call us for help" part, yeah thanks when you see how you screwed us after I wonder if nazis were not better...
And I like it how WWII is the proof of French incapacity to protect themselves and American great heart but how Lafayette is forgotten.

I'll take the time to read your links later. But as I said and as you ignored, I apologized for the misunderstanding of the stats you provided. I can't really give you more than an apology. But it doesn't demonstrate your point as I was talking about violent crimes. Of course you could argue that "making a population safe" aso includes minor crimes like thefts. But guns won't increase thief, that's rather obvious there is no corelation between the two.

So I was talking about violent crimes rates and homicides. That's why I was talking about mass shootings.

And if my opinion offenses you, again don't go on a thread made for that or ignore me.

LOL, an opinion based on "facts" from Michael Moore is fundamentally insulting.

But go read some of the links and see what you think then.

Ok so I took the time to read PARTS of your link. Yeah parts because it's deep and heavy legislation text in English and sorry but I took some times to read what seemed important, I' to me so I might have omitted some things. If you're not happy with that then go read the whole French legislation to have an idea of how difficult it is for a non native English speaker ><

And... Well it perfectly confirms Michael Moore documentary sorry. I don't see any "propaganda" in what he made. The very basis of owning a firearm dealer license is "Is not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition, nor in the case of a corporation, partnership, or association, is any individual possessing, directly or indirectly, the power to direct or cause the direction of the management and policies of the corporation, partnership, or association prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition;"

So in short, not doing anything illegal. Which means that more or less any business can sell weapons and bullets if the local police force allows it.

I don't see the propaganda here. Again, I'm trying to be humble as I'm pretty sure I don't understood everything of the USA legislation, but all I see is an incredible freedom of firearms.

what the hell you talking about? The specific rights acquired by someone getting the Federal Firearms License is to sell guns as a dealer. It has nothing at all to do with the local police department.

This affirms several aspects of the right to possess guns as laid out in our constitution.

Getting a license doesn't have anything to do with rights. Licenses only grant privileges, or require duties. Rights are inherent.

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