Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 146. (Read 450482 times)

You're correct in one small part, the OP is asking for opinions.  But the only way to actually prove this out would be to make guns reasonably available to Europe and see if it changes anything...

I think that what Tecshare explains it's that we should all be free to chose. Any kind of government can be corrupted or just be wrong. Nothing should be forbidden (well at least nothing that doesn't hurt directly someone else).

Maybe it's linked, I think it is. But as you say yourself it's not possible to prove it. So why forcing everyone to let their guns at the police station if you're not sure it will have a positive impact?

Well, we agree on something. The vast majority of EU countries are less violent than USA.
Where do you think it comes from then? I claim that gun control is part of the explanation, simply because the absence of guns diminishes the potential threat of each citizen.

And as we're talking about social science, the questions are about statistical proofs. It's not because 2 countries in EU have higher rapes rate that you can just forget the 28/28 countries with less violent crimes and 26/28 with less rape rates.

"Just because I expect you to follow the rules of logic and support your opinion s with fact doesn't mean I am demanding "absolute proof""
Well I did, I supported my claims with what I consider proofs. And you can't refute those arguments so you just say they're "not enough" well they might not be enough for you but they are for me.

Does gun control help prevent violent crimes or doesn't it? Make up your mind. You don't sound very precise at all. I already emboldened and numbered your logical fallacies and linked descriptions, I am not sure how much more clear I could make that part. If your premise that guns do not prevent violence is true then Australia, Belgium, and Sweden wouldn't have higher rape stats considering their strict gun control no? These countries  crumble your premise that guns do not prevent violence. Additionally people tend to not report ATTEMPTED crimes that failed due to simply brandishing a firearm in self defense, so it is quite likely the statistics of defensive use of firearms are very underestimated. Just because I expect you to follow the rules of logic and support your opinion s with fact doesn't mean I am demanding "absolute proof", this is just more of your extremism showing. If its not your way it must be the exact polar opposite extreme! Merde!





Not obvious at all. Gun statistics are notoriously manipulated at every opportunity. Methods of collection and definitions of crimes are not universal internationally. So those stats mean a lot less than you think, furthermore if you check the latest US stats the overall crime rates continue to fall as the gun ownership rate goes up. Interesting how that works isn't it?

If you want to be disarmed and risk your own personal safety to preserve the safety of others, you are perfectly free to do so. No one will ever make you use a gun unless you want a job as a cop, or in the military. You have the right to do so for yourself, but to force other people to risk their own safety for some lofty poorly calculated statistically increased concept of safety is fundamentally against their human rights to self defense. Forcing other people to actually be vulnerable so you can feel safe is fundamentally sick. If you are afraid of gun owners committing crimes you too have the right to own a gun to defend yourself, but no one is making you. Why does every one else need to be less free to make you feel safe?

It seems rather obvious that gun control helps the society to be safer. Otherwise why would the whole EU have much less violent crimes?

On the other hand, from a personnal perspective, I like to have the right to defend myself. Not sure I would give my guns, even if I understand that it would make the whole society a bit safer. It's all a question of what you're ready to do for the others ^^

Damn how can I be more precise than that...
My claim was that gun control helps to prevent violent crimes and that gun freedom doesn't help to fight crimes.
My evidence is that 28/28 EU nation have less violent crimes than USA, and the vast majority (26/28) have less rapes.
Show me the "logical fallacy" here. And I'm trying to debate with you but you don't give a fuck about my arguments and don't explain yours. I'm still waiting for your evidence that USA is "incredibly has more diversity than EU".

Who am I? Well, I don't know, maybe just a Bitcointalk user who came on a thread called "what's your OPINION on gun control" and who decided to share his OPINION on gun control and is supporting his claim with statistical proofs that EU countries are less violents than USA and BELIEVE it's linked to gun control.

You want an absolute proof? That's impossible! The only way to actually prove it would be to instaure gun control in half of the USA and to see if it changes anything...

My stats were good. The only thing you found that was "flawed" was the fact that Australia also had gun control which I was not aware of. Still 26/28 countries in Europe have less rape than USA and all of them have less violent crimes. If you don't see a corelation between those facts I don't see what I can do for you...

Yes, watch the f'ing video!

Poor girl got pounded right in the face

Do watermelons shoot back?   

Watch out, that can happen with watermelons too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhaj5-F-Fo

We NEED TO BAN WATERMELONS!

I believe gun control is all about maintaining a firm grip

If you hold your gun loosely, the recoil could make it jump into your face, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_MWgLZHV0c

or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3PUXbo3tCo

Be sure to maintain control of your gun at all times...

You were never debating me, you were just stringing together a bunch of logical fallacies and opinions. You are just mad because I dissected each and every one of them and proved how full of shit you are using the science of language - logic. You should learn it.

Who the fuck are you some cheese munching Frenchman thousands of miles away in his own personal French Caliphate to tell Americans that they get no protection from guns just because you object to them? BTW the premise behind "your stats" was flawed, and I explained in detail why in previous posts even if you are too willfully ignorant to read it.



WRONG

Law abiding legal gun owners have plenty of reason to oppose a gun registry. First and foremost it is a risk to public safety. Gun registries historically have always lead to gun confiscations. Also what danger would be posed by a military group knowing the address of every home owner in the US? What would then be stopping them from rounding up or neutralizing every gun owner systematically? What if a criminal organization got a hold of that list? What is then stopping criminals from going door to door targeting the homes which have guns, putting even more illegal guns on the black market? Good plan -_-

This is just another case of ignorant Europeans who have never seen a gun in their life let alone shot one displaying knee jerk reactions conditioned into them by their royal over-class, to what amounts to a tool.




Funny, no one protesting so far has fired a shot, only the FBI murdering one and injuring another. Under gun control police still have guns. How would gun control have prevented this situation again? Of course you are too thick to understand this protest was hijacked to push gun control while trying to cast Average white Americans as terrorists to further justify disarmament. #yallqeda #vanilla isis

Ditto. The gun is an equalizer. If we only had swords, the big brute could win over the defenseless little woman. If they both have guns, the woman has at least a fighting chance.

No.  Not unless you can try to articulate logical arguments better than has been evident so for.

Stating "I think" or "I see" is not evidence, and what "stats you have brought" seem to have had their horses shot out from under them.

I often go back and forth on this issue,mostly leaning towards every one being able to have a gun.
Would say no to those with mental health issues but I can not trust a government agency to deal with this in a up and up way.
It does need to be looked at and figured out and thats the only issue I have with guns,besides people respecting them and knowing how to use one in a safe manner.

The part of me that pushes this way is watching some brutality coming out of the Middle east that in all honesty sickens me.
Watched some young men thrown from a roof by a mob that got me thinking and then recently a video of I think a dutch reporter being dragged off by a mob to be raped. Her screams echo in my head and really disturbed me. Being a person that would like to believe I would lay me life down to protect those I love,it was hard to watch these people gather like it was entertainment.
Since I can not grasp what makes them believe a womens life is worth nothing,I rather protect people around me when the day comes.
Sadly I think its going to get worse before it gets better,with the mass movement around the world.
Next to be followed by Environmental refugees,its going to be a crazy world till people realize enough is enough.

Rant over.

Tell all the violent criminals in the UK and their disarmed victims "YOU DON'T EXIST!" on a YouTube video where you show your own face unblurred and honestly state your ID, then.

The Oregon thing would not happen if the people had no guns.

Government would heard ALL the people into cities to make slaves of them. It is only gun freedom that keeps this from happening.

After seeing what happened Oregon, I believe that If there were a gun control in the US, this would not happen.
When guns are available easily to anyone to buy, this cause high amounts of crimes

If starting today, suddenly we all had guns, there might be some pandemonium in some places. But if it were introduced as a requirement that people wear guns when off their residence, and if there was training over a 5-year period, not only would there be no pandemonium, but there would be no need for police, and crime would go way down.

lol but they do prefer you just to have bread, to survive, if we all had guns it would be pandemonium.
You know we are slaves to the fat controller, as a matter of fact I abhor weaponry.
And the fat ones would shoot anyone.