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Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 165. (Read 450471 times)

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November 16, 2015, 06:16:55 PM
IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.

What happens to the guns people owned before they got the criminal record. Police cannot seize them because the people with the record could hide them and tell the police that the lost the gun.
There are already laws to keep guns out of the hands of the "wrong people". It would be more effective for the government to focus on enforcing those laws rather than enacting new ones.
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November 16, 2015, 05:43:06 PM
IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.

What happens to the guns people owned before they got the criminal record. Police cannot seize them because the people with the record could hide them and tell the police that the lost the gun.
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November 13, 2015, 05:58:41 AM
IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.


I agree with You that we need to distribute the control to different groups
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November 13, 2015, 02:29:31 AM
Not sure how those who print the money can ever "have no money".

Not sure how they can afford to print it if everyone else uses Bitcoin.

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"if"
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
Not sure how those who print the money can ever "have no money".

Not sure how they can afford to print it if everyone else uses Bitcoin.

Smiley
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 07:16:57 PM
Not sure how those who print the money can ever "have no money".
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 07:04:39 PM
Governments are known to go against their people.
Nowadays there's usually a way to prevent that:
don't vote for extremists or braindead people

"Usually"? Where are the E2E verified elections that prevent scum from counting their own votes?

Here's how to beat them with income taxes. Once they have no money, who cares how they scream and holler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPGSxSStc6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_9vBLas5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcs2p3veRKU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gUej6aASZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGnqCjCwA5s

And https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12895759.

Smiley
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
Governments are known to go against their people.
Nowadays there's usually a way to prevent that:
don't vote for extremists or braindead people

"Usually"? Where are the E2E verified elections that prevent scum from counting their own votes?
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November 12, 2015, 05:39:44 PM
Governments are known to go against their people.
Nowadays there's usually a way to prevent that:
don't vote for extremists or braindead people
newbie
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November 12, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Governments are known to go against their people. This has happened throughout history. We need guns just in case that happens again.
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November 12, 2015, 04:50:01 PM
Violence is what should concern people not the tool used in the violence. Yes ban guns and shootings decrease but violence not
It will be extremely hard to stop Gun Violence If some one wants a gun they will find one..there should be strict rule for violent people,It won't stop gun violence but I think it will go down.
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 12:45:43 PM

Violence is what should concern people not the tool used in the violence. Yes ban guns and shootings decrease but violence not

Banning guns is a lie. When governments ban guns, they only ban them among their citizens. The governments still have guns.

Most of the governments are filled with criminals. You can tell by the fact that it is the governments that make the wars. What does this mean?

It means that when governments ban guns, they are pushing a war against their own citizens, to execute them or make slaves of them.

If you as a non-governmental citizen allow banning of guns, you either become a slave from it, or you die.

Smiley

Using civilian firearms in a manner which would counter government chartered prerogatives would be a big deal and the risks of being killed would be very high.  Only in extreme circumstances is there any realistic possibility that it would be done by a non-trivial percentage of citizens.

Thus leads to a question:  What, exactly, is the government envisioning that there is such a focus on dis-arming the population?  It's hard to ignore that as the focus on civilian dis-armament intensifies, programs to arm police and other agencies such as the EPA are being ratcheted up, and the tactical capabilities they are being supplied with are impressive.

Call these questions crazy paranoia if you like.  To me it seems appropriate to apply the 'precautionary principle' and keep my eyes wide open.



Government doesn't have the control that it advertises that it has.

The other side of your question might help find the answer. If any government wanted to protect against terrorism, all they would have to do is arm their populace. So, why doesn't government take the time to arm the the people, and teach them good gun safety? Instead, many of the various kinds of criminal charges that have been brought against the people in the past, are now being brought as terrorism charges.

The people might lose if government decided to fight them directly, but then government might lose their ability to fight. No more people to work the manufacturing of government war machines. It's a risk that government isn't willing to take right now.

Arms in the possession of the people is keeping government at bay, one way or another, although not perfectly.

Smiley
legendary
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November 12, 2015, 12:34:42 PM

Violence is what should concern people not the tool used in the violence. Yes ban guns and shootings decrease but violence not

Banning guns is a lie. When governments ban guns, they only ban them among their citizens. The governments still have guns.

Most of the governments are filled with criminals. You can tell by the fact that it is the governments that make the wars. What does this mean?

It means that when governments ban guns, they are pushing a war against their own citizens, to execute them or make slaves of them.

If you as a non-governmental citizen allow banning of guns, you either become a slave from it, or you die.

Smiley

Using civilian firearms in a manner which would counter government chartered prerogatives would be a big deal and the risks of being killed would be very high.  Only in extreme circumstances is there any realistic possibility that it would be done by a non-trivial percentage of citizens.

Thus leads to a question:  What, exactly, is the government envisioning that there is such a focus on dis-arming the population?  It's hard to ignore that as the focus on civilian dis-armament intensifies, programs to arm police and other agencies such as the EPA are being ratcheted up, and the tactical capabilities they are being supplied with are impressive.

Call these questions crazy paranoia if you like.  To me it seems appropriate to apply the 'precautionary principle' and keep my eyes wide open.

legendary
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November 12, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
Violence is what should concern people not the tool used in the violence. Yes ban guns and shootings decrease but violence not

Banning guns is a lie. When governments ban guns, they only ban them among their citizens. The governments still have guns.

Most of the governments are filled with criminals. You can tell by the fact that it is the governments that make the wars. What does this mean?

It means that when governments ban guns, they are pushing a war against their own citizens, to execute them or make slaves of them.

If you as a non-governmental citizen allow banning of guns, you either become a slave from it, or you die.

Smiley
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November 12, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
Violence is what should concern people not the tool used in the violence. Yes ban guns and shootings decrease but violence not
legendary
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November 11, 2015, 07:14:39 PM
lets say Americans give up their gun rights. Then the government decides it wants to use unconstitutional force on us. How would we defend ourselves without guns?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Ah, I had forgotten his writing.

It's illustrative of the fact that the totalitarians are bullies and cowards.

Give it ten years, though, and ask what the effects of 3d printing may be on the calculus of individual vs state.

It is possible (I don't and can't KNOW) that some things of the past cannot occur again.  The fear of any government that if they were too oppressive, a million guns might appear overnight.  The fear of a centralized money supply bankster that if he inflated the currency too far and too fast, Bitcoin would ride in and he'd lose it all.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
November 11, 2015, 07:09:32 PM
lets say Americans give up their gun rights. Then the government decides it wants to use unconstitutional force on us. How would we defend ourselves without guns?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
legendary
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November 11, 2015, 06:40:11 PM

lets say Americans give up their gun rights. Then the government decides it wants to use unconstitutional force on us. How would we defend ourselves without guns?

Distributed crypto-currency.  One of the big draws of Bitcoin for me years ago was my sense of hopelessness about the utility of guns as being useful under a situation where it was appropriate to 'bare arms' as envisioned by the authors of the 2nd amendment.  'We the people' are increasingly dis-advantaged in such a contest as technology moves exponentially forward.

It occurs to me that the main thing the proverbial 'powers that be' have is more money.  All of the rest of their power and influence derives from that, and this asymmetry is the basis for what amounts to a form slavery under which more and more citizens live even here in the 'land of the free.'  Wresting monopoly control of nation's (or world's) monetary system from TPTB is a far more powerful weapon than civilian firearms.  The latter certainly has it's place both tactically and strategically however.  And they are an indispensable tool for other more mundane things as well.

I guess as a thought experiment, then, look at the meaning today of "bear arms."  First of all, "arms" was not specifically firearms, but things that poke, stab and slice.  Bows and arrows, pikes, spears, swords, mace, knives at the minimum.  But today in most areas none of these, with the exception of firearms, are considered "arms."

Secondly, you'd broaden "arms" to include crypto?

Interesting idea.  It is a day of robbers and thieves operating over the internet.  Yes, we can protect our goods and gold from them using crypto, just like yesterday we would do it with a firearm, and before that, with a sword.

When I was first doing software engineering for money, crypto was, under U.S. law, classified as a 'munition.'  That was a giant pain-in-the-ass for the work I was doing.

As for 'bear arms' (and I apologize for the typo), my read of history related to the second amendment is that it is pretty clear that what was being considered by 'bear arms' was to bring them to use in conflict and in support of and under the direction of an individual state.

I also read the 'a well regulated militia' as being something which was a theoretical (and necessary and proper) thing but it was impossible without an armed population.  That is to say, it did not exist perpetually but it must be possible in times of need...and again, an armed citizenry was necessary for that to occur.

All kinds of arguments about how the 2nd is obsolete or wacko or whatever exist.  Or that it doesn't mean what it seems to mean.  I personally have not found these arguments to be compelling.  On the contrary, a government's founding documents containing the the explicit concept and mechanism of it's own demise should things go wrong seems to be a pretty unique thing in history.  These ideas and others like them have proven (to me) to have been powerful and proven given the success we've had over the last few centuries.

It is as clear as day that the U.S. 2nd amendment is a massive thorn in the side of the 'globalists' and 'new world order' crowd.  That is all the advertising I need to make me believe that it is something worth holding on to.


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legendary
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November 11, 2015, 04:49:21 PM

lets say Americans give up their gun rights. Then the government decides it wants to use unconstitutional force on us. How would we defend ourselves without guns?

Distributed crypto-currency.  One of the big draws of Bitcoin for me years ago was my sense of hopelessness about the utility of guns as being useful under a situation where it was appropriate to 'bare arms' as envisioned by the authors of the 2nd amendment.  'We the people' are increasingly dis-advantaged in such a contest as technology moves exponentially forward.

It occurs to me that the main thing the proverbial 'powers that be' have is more money.  All of the rest of their power and influence derives from that, and this asymmetry is the basis for what amounts to a form slavery under which more and more citizens live even here in the 'land of the free.'  Wresting monopoly control of nation's (or world's) monetary system from TPTB is a far more powerful weapon than civilian firearms.  The latter certainly has it's place both tactically and strategically however.  And they are an indispensable tool for other more mundane things as well.

I guess as a thought experiment, then, look at the meaning today of "bear arms."  First of all, "arms" was not specifically firearms, but things that poke, stab and slice.  Bows and arrows, pikes, spears, swords, mace, knives at the minimum.  But today in most areas none of these, with the exception of firearms, are considered "arms."

Secondly, you'd broaden "arms" to include crypto?

Interesting idea.  It is a day of robbers and thieves operating over the internet.  Yes, we can protect our goods and gold from them using crypto, just like yesterday we would do it with a firearm, and before that, with a sword.

When I was first doing software engineering for money, crypto was, under U.S. law, classified as a 'munition.'  That was a giant pain-in-the-ass for the work I was doing.

As for 'bear arms' (and I apologize for the typo), my read of history related to the second amendment is that it is pretty clear that what was being considered by 'bear arms' was to bring them to use in conflict and in support of and under the direction of an individual state.

I also read the 'a well regulated militia' as being something which was a theoretical (and necessary and proper) thing but it was impossible without an armed population.  That is to say, it did not exist perpetually but it must be possible in times of need...and again, an armed citizenry was necessary for that to occur.

All kinds of arguments about how the 2nd is obsolete or wacko or whatever exist.  Or that it doesn't mean what it seems to mean.  I personally have not found these arguments to be compelling.  On the contrary, a government's founding documents containing the the explicit concept and mechanism of it's own demise should things go wrong seems to be a pretty unique thing in history.  These ideas and others like them have proven (to me) to have been powerful and proven given the success we've had over the last few centuries.

It is as clear as day that the U.S. 2nd amendment is a massive thorn in the side of the 'globalists' and 'new world order' crowd.  That is all the advertising I need to make me believe that it is something worth holding on to.

legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!
November 11, 2015, 02:50:14 PM
If you want real control of your gun and want more accuracy then you might be interested in the videos made by Ryan Cleckner. He does a great job of explaining the many complex factors in shooting long range. Below is an example as he explains shooting at angles. Many shooters forget to calculate this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSBcNgGMNo
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