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October 05, 2015, 08:09:07 AM
WHY would a military just randomly "arrest" the entire country? Is it a coup? Was it shoddy leadership and they want to topple the incumbent?
Who said anything about a military randomly arresting a country?

You missed the greatest reason why a military does anything. A military does what it is ordered to do by whoever is in control.
Like any good ideologue, you're doing this thing where you hand-wave away the nuances of real life, and hide behind vague language like "control". It's obviously not mind-rays and alien technology, so what's the exact story explaining that control?
I'll even help you out, E.g.:
some military generals are in a meeting with the political elite, and there's tension because one side wants to cut the weapons budget and put the money elsewhere. After the meeting, the generals then make a secret pact to overthrow those clowns, and there's your coup in progress.

So who's "in control"? Nobody. It's a dynamic situation with negotiations and passing the ball around on the fly.



When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
Taxation is slavery.
Then why does the English language have 2 different words for it?

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October 05, 2015, 06:34:05 AM
Gun control?

You should use 2 hands.

Well that is true. That's how you control a gun xD

One in each hand.    Cheesy
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October 05, 2015, 06:24:49 AM

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But it's a sad and rather tragic thing with these perverted monster control freaks (anti-gun politicians) try to focus their control freakness on firearms.  Seems like that always turns out badly.

Except pretty much everywhere in the developed world outside of America.


Except that you are missing the greatest point of all in this. And it isn't really your fault. Because around the world, in countries that have gun control, and the common people who love the gun control, because they have relative peace, have missed it as well.

Here it is in a simple nutshell. The only reason peace abounds in many nations with gun control is, there isn't much gun control in the United States. To say it more bluntly, it is the gun freedom in the U.S. that is causing the peace around the world, and even in nations that have gun control.

How does this work? Like this. If the governments of gun control nations moved their militaries in and made literal slaves of their nations, the people of the U.S. would find out, and the people of the gun control nations that remained free would see it as well.

Everybody would realize that gun control meant slavery, and that gun freedom was the best thing for the people. When this happened, the people of the United States would implement more guns among themselves and friends and relatives than they have now. The U.S. government would NEVER have a chance at gun control outside of a full, militarized take-over... which might even fail.

In addition, the people of the gun control countries would follow the lead, and soon everyone around the world would be swimming in guns. Anti-freedom nations would fall over night. Free nations would become even freer. Peace would abound. The gun control crowd - which is really the slave-making, one-world government crowd - Would have lost any chance that they had to take over the world.

So you see? It is American gun freedom that is keeping the world free!

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A few questions about your story...
As I said above. It really isn't your fault that you don't understand, unless, of course, you are being paid and you don't really care.


WHY would a military just randomly "arrest" the entire country? Is it a coup? Was it shoddy leadership and they want to topple the incumbent?
Who said anything about a military randomly arresting a country?

You missed the greatest reason why a military does anything. A military does what it is ordered to do by whoever is in control.

In almost all cases, people in government are there because they like to be in control. Many of these people are control freaks. Usually, they own the military... at least as far as being able to command the military.

Control freaks often like more money, usually so that they can get more control. What do they want to control? The people, of course. Why? So that they can tax the people for more money, of course.

If the people don't have guns and the military does, government leaders who control the military can take control whenever they want, via their military.

Why don't many of the governments of the world make literal slaves of their nations? Because everybody sees that American gun freedom works. Push the people too hard, and they will get guns, and you will be dead. At the very least, you will lose control.


How would they keep their morale above water, knowing that their own families are affected the same way?
What? You never heard of on-base family life?


When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
Taxation is slavery. It is part of the reason that Americans are making and buying more guns than ever. Even Americans have been lulled by propaganda.

Slavery might work for decades. But it eventually fails when the people find a way to rebel. American gun freedom makes it much harder for slavery to exist.

Take a look at lower Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania, and the whole Northwestern area of Africa. slavery abounds there, even though there are laws all over the place that say that slavery is illegal. Two major things that make the slavery possible are, lack of communications so that the people don't understand freedom and how available it is to them, and guns in the hands of the common people.


There have been plenty of coup d'etat over the years, so what stopped all the amazing freedom from happening? Is it just that none of them sent a clear enough message that the nation turned to shit precisely *because* of the population being unarmed, and had nothing to do with the charismatic psycho cult leader?

World nation leaders will play on every advantage that they can to take and keep control. People always want freedom, but they want freedom from their mistakes as well. The thing that the people often don't realize is that their leader control-freaks are simply shrewdies who are out to get whatever they can in any way that they can. This dulls them to the notion that they should keep personal armament around, because their leaders seem so peaceful.

You might be honest in the extreme. If you are, you may not understand what it is like to be just the opposite. How does a leader get to be such without violence? By being very shrewd, giving the people the peace and freedom that they want, until just the right moment when he can pounce. What keeps him from pouncing? Guns among the people, and the knowledge that they will use them if necessary.

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October 05, 2015, 02:14:07 AM
Gun control?

You should use 2 hands.

Well that is true. That's how you control a gun xD
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October 04, 2015, 07:30:08 PM
about gun free zone, look at the so called "free speech zone"...

of course when they don't have arguments they silent those having some... A2 just make this process more costly.

What do Stalin, Hitler, Mao and all democidist have in common? take the guns away, then wipe.

moreover my argument about the baker was badly written:

you can't steal the bread, fuck the wife of the baker, rape his daughter, steal his money and expecting to byed by "we welcome your visit in the bakery and hope to see your really soon again, have a great day".

my favorite story about gun is this one:

a thief enters your bakery, you have no gun, he is armed : you lose
a thief enters your bakery, you have a gun, he is armed : the fight begin
a thief enters your bakery, you have a gun, he is unarmed : hehehe.

sometime the reaction time of the police is too slow.

furthermore it's like removing a sword to a yemeni, to integrated part of the culture...

for now obamacare is FAILURE... but still only a few months to salvage it (I don't think it's possible).

as the Potus told me : I am a single voter issue (aka I get fucked from all side, trying to achieve a single issue) aka A9, the right to have a pet is effectively in the constitution, like the right to use every plant without doing any harm to anyone.

bitcointalk.org is the only forum that I found on the internet that doesn't practice censorship (one of the last centralized (serverized) place)... then it's the darknet.

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October 04, 2015, 07:01:13 PM



Trump: The Problem Isn’t Guns


GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump said in an interview broadcast Sunday morning that the U.S. cities with the strongest gun laws often have the biggest problems, saying gun violence will happen “no matter what you do.”

“You take Chicago, you take Baltimore, you take various other places where you have tremendous gun violence and death,” Trump said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The strictest laws in the United States– in the world– for guns happens to be Chicago where they have a lot of problems. Baltimore, a lot of the places where you have the biggest problem is where they have the strongest laws.”

“I don’t think it’s about laws,” Trump said during a gun control discussion in the wake of a mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore. that left nine people dead.

“The strongest, the most stringent laws are in almost every case the worse places. It doesn’t seem to work. It’s a tough situation,” Trump added. “And when it comes to the schools, it really is mental health. It’s a mental problem.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/255864-trump-cities-with-strongest-gun-laws-have-biggest


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October 04, 2015, 06:43:20 PM
I am so happy that these UT students have found a solution to the problem that happened to them before.  With their "Gun Free Zone" it will obviously never happen again because people like Whitman will see the Gun Free Zone Signs and go somewhere else.

In the early morning hours of August 1, 1966, Whitman murdered his wife and mother in their homes. Later that day, he brought a number of guns, including rifles, a shotgun, and handguns, to the campus of the University of Texas at Austin where, over an approximate 90 to 95 minute period, he killed 14 people and wounded 32 others in a mass shooting in and around the Tower. Whitman shot and killed three people inside the university's tower and eleven others after firing at random from the 28th-floor observation deck of the Main Building.


The gun control crowd + sjw = anti 1st Amendment movement. They need to kill the 2nd first, but the 1st is their ultimate goal.


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October 04, 2015, 06:36:32 PM
I am so happy that these UT students have found a solution to the problem that happened to them before.  With their "Gun Free Zone" it will obviously never happen again because people like Whitman will see the Gun Free Zone Signs and go somewhere else.

In the early morning hours of August 1, 1966, Whitman murdered his wife and mother in their homes. Later that day, he brought a number of guns, including rifles, a shotgun, and handguns, to the campus of the University of Texas at Austin where, over an approximate 90 to 95 minute period, he killed 14 people and wounded 32 others in a mass shooting in and around the Tower. Whitman shot and killed three people inside the university's tower and eleven others after firing at random from the 28th-floor observation deck of the Main Building.

PS.

Because of the recent discussion about psychoactive drugs and mass murderers I add an addendum.

Whitman had been prescribed Valium, but in addition he had a brain tumor that may have pressed against the amygdala region.  It is impossible to prove that the tumor was the cause of his actions, but it is certainly plausible.  Hence in this particular case the man when to docs and a shrink because we was worried about an increasing violent nature, and they prescribed Valium. 

So where is the cause and the effect?
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October 04, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
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you can't have the cake, fuck the wife of the backer and keep the change.
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Is that in the Constitution?  Where?  I gotta find out more about this one.
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October 04, 2015, 05:25:42 PM
the FOUNDERS and all SIGNATORIES ARE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE THAT LIVED ON EARTH.

by their first words : WE THE PEOPLE

they opened everything.

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This guy is just WOOOWWW : Thomas Jefferson ! Man Insane Smiley. I love it so much.

it's not negociable...

and dear barackites, try to save your obamacare, once the looting is done on this front, I am not sure that it will be kept further... so you may lost all your last days in a completly useless attempt at destroying the C and BoR... while your legacy will be in perils, premium are skyrocketing, health is improving? lol... muppet.

you don't want to understand how many WE THE PEOPLE fought to have only this little contract. THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF PAPER IS THE STORY OF THE WORLD.

A1 backed by A2. A Gov kept honest by the MIGHT OF ARMS, a Country UNITED by WORDS, words agreed upon those that stay...

you don't like gun culture, you don't like the constitution, the bills of rights, the usa, the free speech... Please LEAVE, and never come back... go see, and then you will BEG to come back.

you can't have the cake, fuck the wife of the backer and keep the change.

guns will stay in this nations

and the criminals, those non law abiding citizens WILL NEVER SURRENDER THEM, as the WE THE PEOPLE, why? it's a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. there are prices to pay to everything.

TRUTH THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH IN THIS WORLD (unless you walk with Christ, but it's another story)


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October 04, 2015, 03:16:25 PM

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But it's a sad and rather tragic thing with these perverted monster control freaks (anti-gun politicians) try to focus their control freakness on firearms.  Seems like that always turns out badly.

Except pretty much everywhere in the developed world outside of America.


Except that you are missing the greatest point of all in this. And it isn't really your fault. Because around the world, in countries that have gun control, and the common people who love the gun control, because they have relative peace, have missed it as well.

Here it is in a simple nutshell. The only reason peace abounds in many nations with gun control is, there isn't much gun control in the United States. To say it more bluntly, it is the gun freedom in the U.S. that is causing the peace around the world, and even in nations that have gun control.

How does this work? Like this. If the governments of gun control nations moved their militaries in and made literal slaves of their nations, the people of the U.S. would find out, and the people of the gun control nations that remained free would see it as well.

Everybody would realize that gun control meant slavery, and that gun freedom was the best thing for the people. When this happened, the people of the United States would implement more guns among themselves and friends and relatives than they have now. The U.S. government would NEVER have a chance at gun control outside of a full, militarized take-over... which might even fail.

In addition, the people of the gun control countries would follow the lead, and soon everyone around the world would be swimming in guns. Anti-freedom nations would fall over night. Free nations would become even freer. Peace would abound. The gun control crowd - which is really the slave-making, one-world government crowd - Would have lost any chance that they had to take over the world.

So you see? It is American gun freedom that is keeping the world free!

Smiley

A few questions about your story...
WHY would a military just randomly "arrest" the entire country? Is it a coup? Was it shoddy leadership and they want to topple the incumbent?
How would they keep their morale above water, knowing that their own families are affected the same way?
When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
There have been plenty of coup d'etat over the years, so what stopped all the amazing freedom from happening? Is it just that none of them sent a clear enough message that the nation turned to shit precisely *because* of the population being unarmed, and had nothing to do with the charismatic psycho cult leader?
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October 04, 2015, 02:32:40 PM

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But it's a sad and rather tragic thing with these perverted monster control freaks (anti-gun politicians) try to focus their control freakness on firearms.  Seems like that always turns out badly.

Except pretty much everywhere in the developed world outside of America.


Except that you are missing the greatest point of all in this. And it isn't really your fault. Because around the world, in countries that have gun control, and the common people who love the gun control, because they have relative peace, have missed it as well.

Here it is in a simple nutshell. The only reason peace abounds in many nations with gun control is, there isn't much gun control in the United States. To say it more bluntly, it is the gun freedom in the U.S. that is causing the peace around the world, and even in nations that have gun control.

How does this work? Like this. If the governments of gun control nations moved their militaries in and made literal slaves of their nations, the people of the U.S. would find out, and the people of the gun control nations that remained free would see it as well.

Everybody would realize that gun control meant slavery, and that gun freedom was the best thing for the people. When this happened, the people of the United States would implement more guns among themselves and friends and relatives than they have now. The U.S. government would NEVER have a chance at gun control outside of a full, militarized take-over... which might even fail.

In addition, the people of the gun control countries would follow the lead, and soon everyone around the world would be swimming in guns. Anti-freedom nations would fall over night. Free nations would become even freer. Peace would abound. The gun control crowd - which is really the slave-making, one-world government crowd - Would have lost any chance that they had to take over the world.

So you see? It is American gun freedom that is keeping the world free!

Smiley
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October 04, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
I find it funny that the woman I know (myself included) are arguing for us to keep our guns, and the men on this forum are arguing over us losing them, yet you blame women.

I would say blame the men who have gone soft and forgotten why we were allowed the right to own guns in the first place.

I find it funny that guns are marketed as tough and manly, when the reality is that gun holders seem so fucking scared all the time.

"I feel so naked without my shiny metal dildo"  Roll Eyes

The corporations are just profiting off of your base instincts, the same way they put cigarettes, gum, chocolates, and Panadol on display near the checkouts in stores, so people have all their impulsive needs met. And the chocolate shelving goes all the way down to the ground, so that tiny kids whose brains haven't fully developed yet get enticed by the bright colours.

Guns. Fear of death. Same shit, different day.
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October 04, 2015, 02:10:57 PM

For the  benefit of those outside the USA, I will say this.  Believers in the second amendment and conceal carry crosses all the political spectrums in the USA. It's only seemingly a political issue at the top, where the media projects opinion and attitude out to the masses.  Or tries to.  Any political goes wacko anti-gun, he gets booted out in short order.  Obama's done it in stealth mode, lying to get elected and then showing his true colors.

Well then you're stuck sleeping in the bed you sharted in.
Populism, population control, and keeping people on their toes, all with the one policy.

Or maybe it's not populism... Are you suggesting that a majority of the "dumb masses" were actually against more gun freedoms, but the politicians weren't? Didn't you mention something about control freaks? Ah, yes...

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But it's a sad and rather tragic thing with these perverted monster control freaks (anti-gun politicians) try to focus their control freakness on firearms.  Seems like that always turns out badly.

Except pretty much everywhere in the developed world outside of America.

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Towns in the Old West handled this on a practical basis.  You went in a bar, you left the guns at the door.

You guys always make the Old West sound so romantic  Wink

Were the musket holders a bit like those wrought iron umbrella stands? And after happy hour, drunken groups would go on a mini safari on horseback, and the one who shot the least Indians had to shout the next round?

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We need to get practical again.  Until the bastards pushing a simplified anti-gun agenda start vocalizing the issue of prescription psychoactive drugs and their various causative effects on crazed killings, there will be no improvement in the statistics.  I'm not optimistic.

That's Libertarianism for ya. Lots of gun freedoms, and the freedom for corporations to run a cynical profit-driven health system.
Oh wait, you'd rather have a slave class, that is forcibly medicated and/or locked up, so their crazy tendencies don't get in the way of your perfectly rational religion?
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October 04, 2015, 12:53:48 PM



Gun-Controlled Chicago Sees Deadliest Month In 13 Years



Chicago faces escalating gun violence
The Chicago Tribune says September is the city's deadliest in 13 years with 60 homicides. Charlene Carruthers from the Black Youth Project and The Chicago Tribune's Alexandra Chachkevitch join to discuss.


http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/chicago-faces-escalating-gun-violence-537991747782?cid=sm_tw_msnbc


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October 04, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
Police search Parramatta mosque gunman allegedly visited before shooting

Mosque chairman says detectives did not find anything during inspection on Saturday and that his mosque is ‘not open for criminal activity’

Police have searched the mosque visited by the Sydney teenager who allegedly shot dead New South Wales police employee Curtis Cheng outside Parramatta headquarters on Friday, before being killed in a firefight with police.

Video footage from Seven News shows black-clad 15-year-old Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad pacing outside the Charles Street police complex moments after shooting Cheng at point-blank range from behind. The 58-year-old accountant was a 17-year veteran of the NSW police finance department.
Farhad can be seen waving a handgun and firing at three special constables, tasked with protecting the police station, who went outside when they heard gunshots. The video then cuts to Farhad lying at the bottom of the entry ramp, dead.

The NSW premier, Mike Baird, and police commissioner, Andrew Scipione, paid a personal visit to Cheng’s family over the weekend to express their condolences.

Cheng’s wife, Selina, son, Alpha, and daughter, Zilvia, released a statement on Sunday remembering him as “a kind, gentle, and loving person”.

“He was humorous, generous of heart, and always put the family first,” the statement said. “He has set a tremendous example for us as a family.

“We are deeply saddened and heartbroken that he has been taken from us, but we are truly grateful for the fruitful and happy life he has shared with us.”

read more: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/04/police-search-parramatta-mosque-gunman-allegedly-visited-before-shooting

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Obama's Mass Murder Speech Contains Error
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Obama's Impassioned Mass-Murder Speech Includes Error

Alan Korwin, Author
Gun Laws of America

The President's impassioned Oregon speech, moving as it was, missed a key point that could lead to real progress on this terrible issue of mass murder.

The 16 black Americans shot and murdered in ghettos that same day, and the day before, tragically got no news coverage.

This is stunning, unmentioned -- and those lives matter.

That black-lives gunfire atrocity is repeated, daily. And will remain true tomorrow when another 16 are murdered, but get no "coverage" -- 6,000 per year.

The "Graph of Death" Mr. Obama asked for is already available here:
http://www.gunlaws.com/GunshotDemographics.htm
(with gut-wrenching explanation)

By focusing on an isolated "newsworthy" tragedy in one place, Mr. Obama unknowingly obscures the real issue, and does indeed politicize it -- as he forthrightly admitted.

NOTE: Every action of this Oregon murderer is already 100% illegal -- legal scholars know the call for new laws is superfluous and disingenuous. It is a political agenda that weakens support and the true effort to solve the problem.

The President made a repeated and critical mistake: New laws affecting all Americans will not affect the lone psychotics who commit these atrocities --

The medical community stands as the greatest obstacle in getting to the psychotics.

And the biggest ignored issue of all is: The existing background checks have stopped two million people from buying guns because they are known criminals or mentally unfit -- and they are simply turned loose on the streets.

We have their names and addresses -- and our government just sets them free, right after they try to buy guns.*

Mr. President, do something about that if you're really serious.

Don't try to pass something else, that you know and admit Congress and the public will resist. Act now.

If you want more common-sense solutions, call me.

Alan Korwin
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Author of ten books on gun law




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*It's not completely clear that all two million people are actually guilty of anything, since their rights are denied but they are not brought to trial, indicted, convicted of anything, confronted by their accusers or even notified of what they are charged with, but these are separate issues. Certainly, seeking another background check system as the President requests, at great expense, before doing something with the background check we already have working, is a poor allocation of scarce funds and limited police resources. The news media should be aware of these things and bring these points out. Bloomfield Press has white papers and experts available that address these topics.


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