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legendary
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October 09, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Ben Carson claims Jewish people might have stopped Holocaust if they had guns

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Carson was quizzed on CNN over comments in his new book, A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim Our Constitutional Liberties, which cites Nazi Germany to argue that the right to bear arms should not be curtailed.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked him: "Just clarify, if there had been no gun control laws in Europe at that time, would six million Jews have been slaughtered?"

Carson replied: "I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed … I'm telling you that there is a reason that these dictatorial people take the guns first."

The former neurosurgeon is currently polling in second place in the race to become the Republican presidential candidate, behind front-runner Donald Trump.

His comments risk further fuelling the outrage that greeted recent remarks on the killing of nine people last week at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

See https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/184548-2015-10-09-ben-carson-claims-jewish-people-might-have-stopped-holocaust-if.htm.

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October 09, 2015, 04:02:09 PM

Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws



The irony of this is un-ignorable. Powerful people guarded by weapons I could not legally posses are telling me that I would be safer without the guns I can have.
Way to lead by example.   Roll Eyes


Simple solution: not vote for the same people over and over...




The voting machines are all broken. That's why "they" leave them in place, so that we think that we are voting.

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October 09, 2015, 12:52:42 PM

Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws



The irony of this is un-ignorable. Powerful people guarded by weapons I could not legally posses are telling me that I would be safer without the guns I can have.
Way to lead by example.   Roll Eyes


Simple solution: not vote for the same people over and over...


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October 09, 2015, 12:35:24 PM

Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws



The irony of this is un-ignorable. Powerful people guarded by weapons I could not legally posses are telling me that I would be safer without the guns I can have.
Way to lead by example.   Roll Eyes
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 10:47:08 AM



Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws




Senate Democrats gathered Thursday on the steps of the Capitol surrounded by about a dozen armed guards to announce a new push for tougher gun-control laws.

The officers from the U.S. Capitol Police, who carried sidearms, were in addition to the regular detail paroling the Capitol ground due the large number of elected officials attending the event, according to a officer on the scene.

About 27 Democratic senators attended the event.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/8/armed-guards-protect-senate-democrats-they-demand-/




Yes. It is kind of ironic that even if there were laws that eliminated all the guns, the police guarding government people would still have them (guns).


Imagine, for a moment, that government made laws that said that nobody in America could have any guns. To whom would such laws apply?

Well, it wouldn't apply to native Americans on their lands, because government has lately ruled that these lands are separate nations inside of America. And it certainly wouldn't apply to people of other countries within their own countries.

Actually, there are only two groups of people it would apply to. It would only apply to people in government and to 14th Amendment U.S. citizens. For all practical intents and purposes, the only 14th Amendment citizens in America are people who have been naturalized lately, and artificial entity paperwork. Generally, average American citizens are not 14th Amendment citizens, and therefor not citizens at all, because there is no other way for the United States to legally have citizens except through the 14th Amendment.

For you and me, a gun is property. The role of government is to protect the property of the people. The correct demand to make when government attempts to diminish our ability to own property is to demand that they stay away from our property, or see it is returned if it has been taken from us.

Gun laws don't apply to average Americans. The only reason why Americans lose in court is, they don't know how to litigate their own property rights.

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October 09, 2015, 10:17:26 AM



Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws




Senate Democrats gathered Thursday on the steps of the Capitol surrounded by about a dozen armed guards to announce a new push for tougher gun-control laws.

The officers from the U.S. Capitol Police, who carried sidearms, were in addition to the regular detail paroling the Capitol ground due the large number of elected officials attending the event, according to a officer on the scene.

About 27 Democratic senators attended the event.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/8/armed-guards-protect-senate-democrats-they-demand-/


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October 08, 2015, 04:55:16 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...



You may have something there.  If a LOT of pills make everyone a lot quieter and less troublesome to the Authorities, then clearly, if there are some troublemakers remaining, we need additional Pills and Enforcers of the Taking of Pills.

mandatory implants are safer.

That's a good idea. Mandatory implants for all the people in government, and completely under the control of all the people not in government. People in government includes cops.

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and as we are democartic, every citizen can call a vote, and if the servant doesn't get a majority of the vote his implant will make him drop dead.

(remember the story of 2 foxes and a rabbit voting for dinner... that's why the USC&BoR is FIXED... otherwise it's open season...).
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October 08, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
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The role of ultra-violent body-rending video games, horrific grizzly blood and all gore movies on nightly TV and a debasement of popular American culture at every level has not figured prominently into the president's prolific pronouncements.

Because there is no causation, for fuck's sake. And if there was, the entire human race would have been extinct years ago.

Hey.....Since gun violence in the USA is at historic lows, why don't we look at How To Take The Guns Away in Five Easy Steps?

https://youtu.be/bnoFKskvSq4
legendary
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October 05, 2015, 08:54:22 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...



You may have something there.  If a LOT of pills make everyone a lot quieter and less troublesome to the Authorities, then clearly, if there are some troublemakers remaining, we need additional Pills and Enforcers of the Taking of Pills.

mandatory implants are safer.

That's a good idea. Mandatory implants for all the people in government, and completely under the control of all the people not in government. People in government includes cops.

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October 05, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...



You may have something there.  If a LOT of pills make everyone a lot quieter and less troublesome to the Authorities, then clearly, if there are some troublemakers remaining, we need additional Pills and Enforcers of the Taking of Pills.

mandatory implants are safer.
legendary
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October 05, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...



You may have something there.  If a LOT of pills make everyone a lot quieter and less troublesome to the Authorities, then clearly, if there are some troublemakers remaining, we need additional Pills and Enforcers of the Taking of Pills.

Serenity, Origin of the Reavers. Pills don't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4

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legendary
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October 05, 2015, 02:00:23 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...



You may have something there.  If a LOT of pills make everyone a lot quieter and less troublesome to the Authorities, then clearly, if there are some troublemakers remaining, we need additional Pills and Enforcers of the Taking of Pills.
legendary
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October 05, 2015, 01:53:58 PM

When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
Taxation is slavery.
Then why does the English language have 2 different words for it?



Incidentally, Orwell covered this extensively in his clever satire, 1984, where the dictatorship was trying to purge all unnecessary words from the English language. Nuance? Devil in the details? Fuck that shit, it's all black OR white.




Incidentally, when you look up the definition of the word "taxes" in legal dictionaries, and then look up the definitions of all the words that define "taxes," and then look up the definitions of all the words in those definitions, etc., you either come to circular references, or you come to the word "fraud." Now don't you think that slavery is fraud upon the slaves?

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legendary
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October 05, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...




And the sad thing about this is, they haven't come up with a pill that closes bullet holes. Of course, all bullet holes stop bleeding after a while.

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legendary
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October 05, 2015, 01:43:54 PM
WHY would a military just randomly "arrest" the entire country? Is it a coup? Was it shoddy leadership and they want to topple the incumbent?
Who said anything about a military randomly arresting a country?

You missed the greatest reason why a military does anything. A military does what it is ordered to do by whoever is in control.
Like any good ideologue, you're doing this thing where you hand-wave away the nuances of real life, and hide behind vague language like "control".
What's vague when the sergeant orders the private, and the private carries out the order?


It's obviously not mind-rays and alien technology, so what's the exact story explaining that control?
The president orders the military to do a lot of things, and they are done. What are you? just plain ignorant?


I'll even help you out, E.g.:
some military generals are in a meeting with the political elite, and there's tension because one side wants to cut the weapons budget and put the money elsewhere. After the meeting, the generals then make a secret pact to overthrow those clowns, and there's your coup in progress.

So who's "in control"? Nobody. It's a dynamic situation with negotiations and passing the ball around on the fly.
While you are correct in saying that no human being or group of humans is in control, still the military acts in a very orderly way. And it has objectives that it follows and accomplishes, even though there are often failures. So, how do they stay orderly and follow objectives? Is it by the aliens you talked about?

If people are not in control, who do you think makes you post your silly posts?





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In almost all cases, people in government are there because they like to be in control. Many of these people are control freaks. Usually, they own the military... at least as far as being able to command the military.
And Donald Trump could statistically be a very lucky idiot who got where he is today by a series of lucky accidents. Sounds like you're projecting evilness and malicious intent into the actions of others, when you don't know what makes them tick.
In case you haven't noticed, everybody has evil intent at times, mixed right in with the good.

You talk a lot like a troll, pointing out certain aspects of things, while hiding others that should be obvious to you.





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Control freaks often like more money, usually so that they can get more control. What do they want to control? The people, of course. Why? So that they can tax the people for more money, of course.

If the people don't have guns and the military does, government leaders who control the military can take control whenever they want, via their military.
So goes your theory.
Your theory is that my facts are theory.





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Why don't many of the governments of the world make literal slaves of their nations? Because everybody sees that American gun freedom works. Push the people too hard, and they will get guns, and you will be dead. At the very least, you will lose control.
I realise America is the centre of the universe, but why so modest?
Then you are intending to get your country to ordain gun freedom for all so that you folks can be the center of the universe along with us?





When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
Taxation is slavery.
Then why does the English language have 2 different words for it?
Now you are being simply silly. Many things have multiple words to describe them. Why do we need "blablahblah" when we already have "silly."





Folks, please pardon my picking on blablahblah. We can tell from the number of his/her/its posts that he/she/it talks a lot. But that's the way it is, isn't it? Those of us who talk a lot usually should be listening to what we say a little, right?

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October 05, 2015, 01:30:47 PM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?


Big Pharma is pushing more pills per second than bullet makers in a month...


legendary
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October 05, 2015, 01:16:28 PM
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The role of ultra-violent body-rending video games, horrific grizzly blood and all gore movies on nightly TV and a debasement of popular American culture at every level has not figured prominently into the president's prolific pronouncements.

Because there is no causation, for fuck's sake. And if there was, the entire human race would have been extinct years ago.
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October 05, 2015, 01:05:01 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 5, 2015
Full contact info at end


Method for Stopping Shooting Rampages Emerges

by Alan Korwin
The Uninvited Ombudsman



Hard evidence -- not doctor theories, news commentary, conjecture, hyperbole, rumor, innuendo or any other proposals -- clearly shows that the only known way to actually stop spree murderers is to shoot them -- or scare them into shooting themselves. Time and again society has found this works.

According to the evidence, every mass murder in recent times has been halted, in the final analysis, by shooting the murderers, or threatening to shoot them, with guns. Members of the press corps continue to debate the subject, despite the evidence. Sources speaking privately say the media consciously reject this fact. In stark contrast, self-defense incidents using guns are suppressed, by news-media policy, and do not appear on the public stage.

An excellent write up about the censorship of firearms used in self defense appears here --
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/usa-today-ad-campaign-features-armed-heroes

and here --
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/09/since-usa-today-wont-publish-good-gun-news-author-alan-korwin-publishes-advertorial-of-good-gun-news

Multiple reports of self-defense, accomplished by shooting criminals, appear as paid space in USA Today, which otherwise censors such reports:
http://www.gunlaws.com/TheFirstRespondersReport.htm

Although knowledgeable commentators are still debating the merits of shooting murderers, the visible evidence clearly demonstrates that shooting the perpetrators does take care of the problem. No other solutions have worked.

The only problem identified is the relative slowness of this effective remedy, due mainly to the delay in getting guns to the scene where innocent victims are assaulted. The scenes have virtually always been in supposed "gun-free zones," with posted signs flatly rejected by the perpetrators.

President Barack Hussein Obama, whose middle name is not supposed to be used, went on national TV, twice in the past week, to propose other solutions, which he announced as "politicized." He promised to "continue talking."

Further analysis conducted by The Uninvited Ombudsman, has determined that background checks, or newly proposed additional background checks, recommended by Mr. Obama and others, would be pointless for people who already own guns, since they already own guns. The best estimates indicate this is about 100 million armed Americans.

And in other analysis conducted by The Uninvited Ombudsman, waiting periods have no meaning whatsoever for Americans who already own guns, when they go shopping for guns, since they already own guns. That is also 100 million Americans.

Waiting periods have one additional drawback overlooked in mainstream reports. They require the public to trust psychotic individuals who wait five days to get their first gun, to remain calm for the balance of their lives. Somehow, the five-day waiting period doesn't seem like a long enough "cooling off" period, but this has not made it into nightly "news" reports, or the President's commentaries, for reasons that were unclear at press time.

The murderer in Oregon who sparked the recent repetitive debates owned more than a dozen guns, according to early reports, all legally acquired. While Hillary, Mr. Obama and others are still calling for more background checks, they have apparently failed to notice these obvious errors in their plan.

Only new, or "virgin" gun buyers would be affected, most of whom would pass checks anyway, according to leading experts and past experience. The point of adding even more checks, when current checks are not used to take criminals off the streets, was not clear as this report was prepped for release.

"News" commentators have also failed to make this connection, so far, and have repeated the calls from politicians on both sides of the aisle, who are discussing background checks and waiting periods.

The role of ultra-violent body-rending video games, horrific grizzly blood and all gore movies on nightly TV and a debasement of popular American culture at every level has not figured prominently into the president's prolific pronouncements.

The public -- not some famous vilified "the gun lobby" -- rises up loudly to condemn the assault on their fundamental civil and human rights. This is the same 100 million armed Americans mentioned earlier. Some reports suggest it is "only" 80 million armed Americans. The NRA, often cited as "the gun lobby," has only 5 million members.


Counter-Intuitive Man Says:

Referring to murderers as "gun men" is offensive to men, a violation of journalism ethics, due to its biased and prejudicial nature, and sexist.


Calling murderers "gun men" is virtually propaganda against men and firearms.

It denigrates men, it is derogatory, defamatory and it is discriminatory.

What would media and pundits say if a woman was the criminal perpetrator?

The correct terms include murderer, killer, villain, criminal, assailant and perpetrator, without gratuitously singling out gender.

By using the propaganda term "gun man," the media vilifies a tool they frequently demonstrate hatred for, along with men, which agenda-driven political groups seek to demean or belittle. That's simply wrong, and unethical.

Murderers should be called murderers, not gun men. This would help remove the glorification many mass murderers seek, which encourages others to copy their behavior.

By encouraging such behavior, the media shares responsibility for these acts, according to leading national experts, who are speaking out against such behavior in increasing numbers.


Alan Korwin
The Uninvited Ombudsman
Author of ten books on gun law
Publisher, Bloomfield Press


P.S. My previous request to the President, to have him call me for common-sense solutions he is not getting from his side of the aisle, has gone unanswered so far. I patiently await. The ideas coming from the TV set are so off base it is hard to imagine they are actually on the air. Has anyone considered education in the schools yet? Schools are currently an empty hole of ignorance on the subject.
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October 05, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
A lot of people have pointed out that a difference between America and the rest of the western world is how many guns we have. But access to guns does not cause sane people to shoot each other. The germane difference between us and the others is that in America we do not care for the mentally ill. Our care for the insane is to watch their lives fall apart until they become homeless, in jail, or dead from a suicide / spree killing.
Then rather than own up to our role in all this we blame... the gun?
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October 05, 2015, 08:15:33 AM

When you say slavery, what would they make the people DO? Work harder? Wouldn't they have to market it as some kind of utopia first?
Taxation is slavery.
Then why does the English language have 2 different words for it?



Incidentally, Orwell covered this extensively in his clever satire, 1984, where the dictatorship was trying to purge all unnecessary words from the English language. Nuance? Devil in the details? Fuck that shit, it's all black OR white.


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