Topic: Wheat War I is going to be World War III - page 10. (Read 6301 times)

Did anyone read the news about Sri Lanka? The country is currently in a state of anarchy, with its citizens protesting, and breaking inside the presidential residence. It started with a stupid government policy that they will stop importation of fertilizer in a bid to become the first country to be all organic in their agricultural sector. The result, FARMING YIELDS WENT DOWN 50%, causing a food shortage!

I think this wheat war crisis is pure propaganda and nothing is going to happen any time sooner.
Most of the south Asian countries are agricultural countries. And having a less wheat is impossible thing. So I hope - lets for the time concentrate on achieving financial freedom.

Oh, what are you talking about and fantasizing!? In Lithuania, it is just doing another, scheduled inspection of the railway tracks. Yes, it doesn't block anything. You just have to wait and be patient! And you have already fantasized about something incomprehensible! And what prevents "great Russia" from providing its territories by sea, by planes? Russia is the most powerful country and everyone envy her! How did the ruble get stronger? The dollar is already jealous! And the Americans too! Alaska will soon be taken away from the USA! Well, it's still great! Why are you so worried about some kind of NATO? They don’t even have analogues that have no weapons, a non-replaceable leader and the strongest currency, such as the ruble, in service?!
And the Lithuanians are slowly checking sleeper after sleeper

This way of thinking hasn't stopped you from claiming things about every European country on the map despite never setting foot there..


Yeah lol, let's believe the guys who
- claimed sunflower oil was nowhere to be found in Germany when stores were full
- the guy who claimed the bankrupt UK paid half a billion for two spies captured in Iran
- the guy who claimed that two rockets fired by Iran destroyed American equipment worth trillions
- the guy who claimed 6000 American soldiers died killed by Iran strikes
 the guy who claimed American weapons are shit despite the global superpower intergalactic army of Iran still flying F4 made in the US 60 years ago

And when presented with accurate data from his own government, then the data...is not that is this and it's not that because ...


So the price went up but the subsidy that was just canceled is making those prices not going up...
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220619-inflation-subsidy-reform-hit-stomachs-in-isolated-iran

Yeah, have fun lying to yourself and dreaming Iran is a superpower, and the western civilization will collapse just because you got your green card denied..meanwhile, the reality is entirely different.


What a nice way to say that 80% of the population is facing starvation and the government is helping them with...10$ a month?

Yearly inflation in the US hits 8%
- the US will go bankrupt
Monthly inflation hits 13% in Iran
- the US will go bankrupt 

I don't know why he thinks he knows my country better than I, good thing I have him on ignore ever since he supported an act of terror.

In any case since it was brought up I have to say that I'm not an economy expert to know how the hell they compute these numbers. Iran has inflation, sometimes high ones but it is nowhere near as high as those numbers report. For example I write every single cent I spend in an excel spreadsheet for money management, I just made some computations to see the amount of money I've spent in the past 5 years which should show the inflation to some extent:


There is a peak in 1399 because I made multiple big purchases (mostly expensive house appliances) but ignoring that the amount of money I spend annually is increasing by less than 10% and I haven't changed my spending habits in the past 5 years at all.

The last value belongs to this year (we are currently at the beginning of Tir, that is 4th month of the year) and the amount of money I've spent so far is almost the same as last year.

So why is the statistics showing higher inflation? If I had to guess it should be because they are ignoring the subsidy for the goods they use in their computation. For example the items in the basket they use includes things like cooking oil, flour (bread), white and red meat, eggs, dairy products, grains, fruits and vegetables, etc. Each of these have a multiplier based on their importance and the following items have the highest: Bread (no price change in the past couple of years). Cooking oil (price quadrupled). Eggs (price about doubled). Meat (price went up about 50%). The average of all of these becomes a high number.

But here is where the subsidy comes in and makes the difference. The items I explicitly named above had the highest rise and all received a subsidy from the government but it was paid to the producer and consumer bought it at low prices. For example if you looked at the price printed on the cooking oil bottle a month or two ago it used to be 14.9 T but today it is about 60 which is a 4x increase. But now the government is paying that subsidy to the consumer, in other words people are still technically buying that cooking oil bottle (and other goods with high price rises) at previous prices if not lower.

This is why I said price of food "didn't technically go up". If I'm not mistaken 80% of the population which is about 70 million are currently receiving the cash every month in their bank accounts. So on paper the inflation rate shows higher values for the past months that these changes are taking place (and of course because of actual inflation) but realistically inflation rate is a lot lower than the reported numbers.

This was done to prevent smuggling. Fun fact: the day after this change went live cooking oil was nowhere to be found in 4 of our neighbor countries since smuggling stopped abruptly!

Iran is still in comfortable position despite ban from USA , thanks to Iran internal unity and rich oil reserves. Iran is self sufficient in producing food items and electricity. Its even importing these things to its neighbours. I am not sure about Iran statistics but still Iran is far better then many countries of its region.

Interesting, indeed interesting..
What a success story if you were to believe what the propaganda tells you..

So, looking at what the Statistical Center of Iran says here:
https://www.amar.org.ir/english/SCI-News-Archive/ID/18460/consumer-price-index-in-the-month-of-khordad-of-the-year-1401


there are two options left, either the Iranian government is lying in its statistics, or you're the one doing the lying.
But maybe, since the rial is doing a /100 or /1000, can't remember the zeros anymore,  against the dollar maybe a 80% increase in food price is the normal thing there, and locals call it a "small" rise.

Turkey has been playing a very dangerous game, not because of this news alone but because they are playing with and against both sides. In my opinion the fate of this single cargo ship is not important (although in the context of this topic it is), but the more important thing is the fate of the countries that play in the middle instead of clearly defining their side in a world that is no longer unipolar. We could see Turkey receive its response in Syria that they have been trying to invade and occupy (and failing) for some time now. That respond could be harsh.

It is not just Turkey either, there are a couple of others that are doing this like Ukraine that did this and Lithuania that is doing it these days.
On one hand Lithuania is increasing tensions with Russia by blocking shipments to Kaliningrad (a strategically important region for Russia that is separated from mainland by Baltic countries) and on the other hand they tell Russia they are sorry and were just "following orders"!!! Meanwhile nuclear missiles are being deployed in Belarus and Suwałki Gap could be taken in a couple of hours.

The worst part is that they are part of the same NATO that tells them that they are not going to send any help while speculating that when Russia attacks they'll take all these Baltic countries in less than 60 hours!
When I said in this board that NATO (and by extension European Union) is a useless alliance and some people laughed. I was being modest, NATO is not only a useless treaty but also a dangerous one to 90% of its members.
- First they force Lithuania to block Russian exports to Kaliningrad which Lithuania must obey.
- Second Russia threatens Lithuania for what they did.
- Third NATO tell Lithuania that they are increasing tensions and they won't be helped if they keep it up!

P.S. We now have a better understanding of why there are many anti-NATO protests in NATO countries like Spain.

This is really true information, which in Ukraine is distributed through official channels. According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Turkish customs detained the cargo ship "Zhibek Zholy" with grain, which was taken out of the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk seized by Russia.

The ship belongs to the Kazakh company KTZ Express Shipping, but since October 2021 it has been chartered by the Russian company Green Line LLC. On June 28, the ship "Zhibek Joli" loaded 7,000 tons of wheat in the occupied Ukrainian Berdyansk, from where it left for the Turkish port of Karasu.

According to Bodnar, Ambassador of Ukraine to Turkey, the fate of the ship will be decided at a meeting of investigators on Monday. He expressed hope that the ship would be arrested. So it won't stay there for long.

Ukraine and Western states have repeatedly accused Russia of stealing Ukrainian grain and blocking Ukrainian ports, which hinders food supplies in the world.

On June 23, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu promised that his country would not accept stolen Ukrainian grain.

More and more countries are being involved into wheat conflict. Now it is Turkey, as Ukraine says Russian ship carrying Ukrainian grain detained by Turkey. This is either fake or propaganda (but the sources, CNBC has a good reputation), or soon relationship between Russia and Turkey will be shaken.

I will put down question of this wheat origin, I am more interested in what will happen to this wheat. Can it be simply held, as I expect this ship to be under arrest or investigation for a long period, or this wheat will be spoiled in the end. When there are short of wheat in the world, loosing supply is a big no or failure.

wow, now you've made it really, really funny! ))
This is told to me by a man whose relatives throughout the whole country collaborated with Nazi Germany since the mid-30s of the last century. Together they destroyed European countries, their peoples enslaved by the red plague. They held military parades together, with their Nazi brothers. And then almost 1.5 million Russians, faithfully, served in the Wehrmacht for a long time, killed their fellow citizens, and the flag of the Vlasov Nazis now proudly flies over the Kremlin

I will simply give here a list of military formations, Russians who served Nazism and Hitler. If someone does not know who actually fought on the side of Nazi Germany, below is a list of Russian troops who fought on the side of Hitler, which can be easily verified in archives and open sources. And now their heirs are trying to pass off as truth, a propaganda lie, to divert attention from their real history:
-ROA
-RONA
-KONR
-29th SS Volunteer Infantry Division "RONA" (1st Russian)
-30th SS Volunteer Infantry Division (2nd Russian)
- Division "Russland"
-Russian Corps
- Cossack Stan
-15th SS Cossack Cavalry Corps
-Combat Union of Russian Nationalists
-1st Russian National SS Brigade "Druzhina"
600th Russian division of the Wehrmacht
581st Field Gendarmerie Battalion
Guards of the Russian FasZist Party
Corps of the Russian Monarchist Party
Russen (Russia) - news and propaganda agency (now - Russian Today  )

.... and many others, who eventually gave the Wehrmacht about 1.5 million soldiers, officers and even generals!

In an age of technology, the media can be viewed as a weapon to distort the truth. We should be wary of the information that we receive from the media, and read and listen to information from both sides rather than just one side.

I have not seen any official articles of the US and EU about the crimes of the US and Europe against the countries of the Middle East, instead of them calling it war, aggression, they call it saving the world from crime. LAUGH!

You either do not understand a little, or deliberately twist the history of Ukraine.
Let's go through this story for a bit. First of all, it should be noted that after the revolution in Russia in 1917, the Bolsheviks forcibly annexed Ukraine to the USSR, killing both the flower of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the defenders of the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine.

As a result of the famine and genocide by the USSR, before World War II, Stalin killed millions more Ukrainians. Therefore, many in Ukraine perceived the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany as a chance to free themselves from the oppression of the USSR. Most Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, but some Ukrainians in western Ukraine formed the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) to create an independent Ukraine. At first they fought against the Soviet government in alliance with Germany, and when they saw what atrocities the Nazis were doing in Ukraine, they began to fight against the Nazis on two fronts.

The war came to Ukraine in March 1939. It began in Transcarpathia, when Hungarian troops, allies of the Nazis, broke into the territory of Carpathian Ukraine. It was the first battle with the Nazis in Europe. Between 2,000 and 6,500 people who came to the defense of Ukrainian statehood died - even before the start of World War II.

From September 1939 to June 1941, the Soviet authorities deported 1.17–1.25 million (according to various estimates) residents of the territories newly annexed to the USSR in Western Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army and the armies of the allies, about a hundred thousand fought for their own independence as part of the OUN-UPA.
OUN members fought against the communists and Nazis and did not abandon the idea of ​​uniting the inhabitants of the West and the East, the South and the North around the idea of ​​Ukraine's independence.

Fronts marched across the Ukrainian land: first from west to east, then from east to west, destroying everything in its path. During this war, 700 cities and 28 thousand other settlements were destroyed in Ukraine, 1.8 million rural houses were destroyed.

Only the irretrievable human losses of Ukraine in the Second World War in the fight against fascism amount to more than 10 million people. This number does not include servicemen from Ukraine who died from September 1, 1939 to June 22, 1941 on the Soviet-Polish and Soviet-Finnish fronts, the dead soldiers of the UPA, as well as Soviet partisans. Therefore, the Ukrainians paid dearly in this war.

In 1946, the Soviet government again staged an artificial famine in Ukraine, taking advantage of the dry season that year.

Ukraine was able to proclaim its independence only in 1991, simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR. First of all, it is independence from Russia, which became the successor of the former USSR. But, as we see, imperial Russia still does not give up its attempts to enslave Ukraine in the current war.

The food crisis all around Europe and other parts of the world are continuing. By the same time governments are helping neighbouring countries in need. India have promised of sending 50k metric tonnes of wheat to Afghanistan. Shipments have been taking place through Pakistan reaching Afghanistan. India and Afghanistan have strong cultural and historical relationship. Same as this shipment of rice and medicines have been send to Sri Lanka. So, this is the time where countries are helping each other and no more war out of food crisis.

You should know better since Ukraine was collaborating with Nazi Germany during WWII in Schutzmannschaft, German military and in running concentration camps. Maybe that was also a "peacekeeping mission" like Iraq?

In 5th generation warfare media has very high role. They can make your mind to take an act as legitimate even if its unlawful, take example of recent usa invasion in last 2 decades. If you don't watch news channel for month or two, you will feel better.

According to your concept, the Second World War began with the liberation war of the German and Russian people for the freedom of the population of Europe. And in 1941, Hitler carried out a special operation to save the people of the USSR from the oppression of the Kremlin junta? Well, yes, yes ... I hope you will be part of the "liberated people" over time!

PS Let me inform you in advance - the reason for the "peacekeeping mission" in Iraq is absolutely unacceptable to me, under the pretext of mass production of weapons of mass destruction prohibited by international conventions.
Although looking at international institutions, I understand that they are empty shells, created solely for ... the use of budgets.

Well, of course - Hitler was a "glorious fellow", what are tens of millions of dead, thousands of destroyed cities!? ... More important ... More important for us ... Yes, anything but that! I want to wish you that war never comes to your country, you are the face of a wild neighbor of an aggressor-sadist, and you really have no more problems than talking about the theory of climate change. I am sure you do not understand and have not seen what WAR is!

I wish the censored Western media hadn't brought it up at all instead of what they did which was praising it as something legitimate. For example the Economist called the criminal invasion of Iraq "waging of peace"! Here is a funny comparison between the titles this magazine used to describe invasion of Iraq (left) and Ukraine (right):


Another funny thing was the recent George W Bush's gaffe where he referred to his invasion of Iraq as "wholly unjustified and brutal invasion". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEg6Ht2pNH0

As if when the United States violated a country in the middle east it was not wrong and the media also did not bring up the news like Russia attacked Ukraine,
double standards are so annoying and should be humanity above all else,
what is clear is that the reality is like that and it will be difficult to change that