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legendary
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The question is why? There's no good reason for 3rd countries to jump on this bandwagon of export seccession just because of a conflict between two others.
Two simple reasons: politics and money.
- India for example tries to play the middle where it gets close to the West but has good relations with the East but the more this distance between the two blocs increases the more different countries are forced to choose a side. Right now it suites India best to play the Eastern block's game which means pressuring the West.
- And of course cutting exports means reduced supply and increased prices which is always good for producers since they make a lot more profit.

and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire.
It actually depends on the country. There are cases that such WMDs are completely useless.
For example Pakistan has nuclear weapons but nobody takes them seriously. US just toppled their government and over the past 2 decades has been invading their territories even bombed some places when they were occupying Afghanistan. Or Israel is a terrorist regime that has a lot of nuclear warheads and nobody gives a shit since the land they occupy is already surrounded by armed forces, so essentially they would have to detonate the warheads inside their silos due to the close proximity which is impossible!
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Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.

Good lord, nuclear winter? What have you guys been reading?

How many times already have journalists and the press been fanning the flames of a nuclear war (of course, without any geopolitical backing for such a crisis) over the years?

Off the top of my head, I can count at least five (5) proclaimations to global nuclear war that people have been saying would happen since a decade or so ago, and we have yet to realize a single one of them. And this isn't even counting the food shortage.

2008 - Iran, Georga (2)
2014 - Crimea (1)
2017 - Nuclear Deal falls apart with Iran (1)
Feb 2022 - Ukraine proper (1)

The reality is that no sane person or organization would consent to another world war [not even Russia] and if we were anywhere seriously close to it, you'd be hearing A LOT of appeals from world leaders to "do something to avoid the war" (as in 80 years ago. Even the pope was issuing an appeal like that).

Since the Caribbean Crisis, the world has been dominated by the stereotype that there will be no winners in a nuclear war, and therefore nuclear weapons are only a deterrent, like a loaded gun that hangs on the wall but will never fire. Today, however, it is useful to reconsider many old stereotypes for their relevance, because the nuclear club has expanded noticeably and now includes countries like North Korea, for which the truths of half a century ago are not a sufficiently weighty authority. Russia has also changed military doctrine since then, and now Russia can use nuclear weapons not only in response to a direct nuclear strike on its territory, but also in response to any sufficiently serious existential threat against itself. Therefore, I would not completely discount this scenario as having zero probability.
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Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.

Good lord, nuclear winter? What have you guys been reading?

How many times already have journalists and the press been fanning the flames of a nuclear war (of course, without any geopolitical backing for such a crisis) over the years?

Off the top of my head, I can count at least five (5) proclaimations to global nuclear war that people have been saying would happen since a decade or so ago, and we have yet to realize a single one of them. And this isn't even counting the food shortage.

2008 - Iran, Georga (2)
2014 - Crimea (1)
2017 - Nuclear Deal falls apart with Iran (1)
Feb 2022 - Ukraine proper (1)

The reality is that no sane person or organization would consent to another world war [not even Russia] and if we were anywhere seriously close to it, you'd be hearing A LOT of appeals from world leaders to "do something to avoid the war" (as in 80 years ago. Even the pope was issuing an appeal like that).
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6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

Well, smart move from them. Now China becomes the world's biggest food exporter after the end of the invasion.
China has been actively buying up long-term storage products on the world market for a couple of years now and has accumulated significant stocks. Although there are rumors that China is preparing for the worst-case scenario in order to avoid starvation during the nuclear winter and survive 1-2 years without a new crop. But it is not exactly.
legendary
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I mean come on, this is just like COVID-19 but with exports instead of people.

And didn't we get through that last event fairly well?

3. Other producers like India follow this trend and stop their exports

The question is why? There's no good reason for 3rd countries to jump on this bandwagon of export seccession just because of a conflict between two others.

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6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

Well, smart move from them. Now China becomes the world's biggest food exporter after the end of the invasion.

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7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

Not surprising as France themselves capitulated to German armed terror during WWII so I get the feeling that they are quite defeatist.

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The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

International conflict will only happen if countries "stealing" food from each other do it officially and at an extreme scale which is very unlikely to happen as there are thankfully no mad dogs in the hot seat who'd do something like that [think e.g. Hitler], Putin himself strikes me more as a Stalin and would only invade countries for Russia's own benefit [remember the Balkans over 80 years ago].

So if it's just armed uprising, the most you get are coups, insurrections, and possibly civil war if the armed forces fail to sufficiently quash the revolts.
legendary
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I just don't know why he twisted it toward Africa whereas his own country has set a record high inflation rate while food prices are soaring due to decreased supply and increasing production costs.
Maybe because chances of Italy going into civil war/coup is much lower compared to African countries and its logical to assume that poorer and more unstable countries are hit harder? And no, inflation rate in Italy is not at the all time high, it was much worse in 70s. No matter how shitty situation is in Europe, its immensely worse in Africa. And no, I am not saying that we should be thankful that we are getting fucked less in this situation and be happy with it, but imho no need for this doom & gloom attitude.


It's like instead of getting off their fannies and solving the problem he is trying to say "just because Africa could be worse we should be thankful that we are being f***ed less". Cheesy
Italy and other European countries can't solve shit.

legendary
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Italian Foreign Minister recently commented on a global "food war" that is near by due to the shortage caused by the conflict over in Ukraine. I just don't know why he twisted it toward Africa whereas his own country has set a record high inflation rate while food prices are soaring due to decreased supply and increasing production costs.

It's like instead of getting off their fannies and solving the problem he is trying to say "just because Africa could be worse we should be thankful that we are being f***ed less". Cheesy
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Inflation plaguing the entire world. Ripples through India, UK, BD, Turkey, US and Europe.
The food and oil crisis will be unbearable for the average human. People are in trouble and there is no end to this suffering.

It is much worse than what they are telling us. Inflation rate is measured at 10%-12% at the most. But the prices of food commodities have gone up by anywhere from 50% to 150%. The price of fuel (diesel, LPG.etc) has gone up by more than 100%. For lower middle class and poor population, the impact of inflation is much worse because the commodities which they use have gone up by a level which is much higher than the inflation rate. And in certain countries such as Turkey and Pakistan, the situation is even worse due to the devaluation of the national currency.
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Perhaps more precisely, we should save money by reducing expenses related to expenses that are not too important,
if you compare life in the city and in the village, I think it's really different, both for the necessities of life and so on,
but apart from that living frugally is very important and maybe we can practice little by little
Inflation plaguing the entire world. Ripples through India, UK, BD, Turkey, US and Europe.
The food and oil crisis will be unbearable for the average human. People are in trouble and there is no end to this suffering.
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several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.
If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.
The most important is to simplify our levies. we need to reduce the useless activities from our life. it is not only important for economy but also can improve our health. As we can see the the people living in villages have good health and even have very limited expences because  of the way they spend their livies.
Perhaps more precisely, we should save money by reducing expenses related to expenses that are not too important,
if you compare life in the city and in the village, I think it's really different, both for the necessities of life and so on,
but apart from that living frugally is very important and maybe we can practice little by little
legendary
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People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!

A few years back, Sri Lanka tried to replace chemical fertilizer completely with organic fertilizer. They banned chemical fertilizer such as Potash, Phosphate and Urea and asked the farmers to rely on organic fertilizer such as compost. But this experiment failed pathetically and the agricultural output collapsed. This was one of the reason why Sri Lanka is facing an economic meltdown right now. Things such as green energy and organic fertilizer sounds good on paper, but when you try to put in to practice on a massive scale, it seldom works.
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legendary
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I dont know we have to be so specific to just wheat, I agree its an important market but my overall take is commodities are booming in this decade and probably beyond that.   The reasons are fairly clear, we have a large amount of the world population outside of the west emerging from multiple decades of decline namely China and India.  If the world has a requirement for growth in commodities because those two countries are becoming more developed not purely agrarian then the production of food will become more important.
   I think agriculture and fertilizer production are two of those commodities, Russia doesnt have to invade another country but Ukraine is a natural competitor to them and with valuable assets such as their ports on the black sea.   Without transport via shipping Ukraine will require the alternative of 1 million truck loads to sell their grain, thats the scenario at present where Russia just retains their current captured land.     Its a war about money and power over assets yet again, the rest is an excuse for killing.

People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!

Food waste is recycled in quite a few countries now, it is a waste not to of course.  Any rubbish dump can become explosive for reasons related to that as gas naturally occurs from decomposition and accumulates until ignited.  I think India that happened recently, waste management is respected quite a few places now but still great improvements do need to be made.    Part of the commodity cycle is higher prices incentivizing the investment into recycling goods to be reused also
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legendary
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several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.
If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.
The most important is to simplify our levies. we need to reduce the useless activities from our life. it is not only important for economy but also can improve our health. As we can see the the people living in villages have good health and even have very limited expences because  of the way they spend their livies.
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several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.

If people will only have the eagerness to explore new things just to fill in the gaps or lack of supply in a country things will be quite easy to solve. We only have to be efficient and creative so we could contribute something during times of crisis. We could make alternatives to survive. If there's a lack of supply of wheat then we could switch to rice or corn. This wheat crisis couldn't get worse if people will only be wise.
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several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plant
As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.
People in our country make compost with leaves and vegetable and fruits peel too.
This only needs a little effort and the results are amazing. Some people have great minds. They take care of the environment and they waste less stuff and use biodegradable items. Hence do good to the environment!
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several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective.

If we consider that people in the past were also engaged in agriculture and did not have artificially created fertilizers, then it is easy to conclude that they used something they could find in nature. For my garden, I use exclusively fertilizer that I make from two plants that are nothing particularly rare or exotic, and that is nettle and comfrey.

Fertilizer can be made in two ways, by fermentation (1kg plant + 10 liters of water) which is then used diluted with water to water the vegetables under the roots, or by soaking these plants in water for 24 hours using this water to fertilize plants through leaves. This is very effective because the plant gets all the necessary ingredients for growth, and nettles and comfrey can be found and harvested completely free of charge because they grow like wild plants.

As in the case you described, people have to deal with the situation they are in and help themselves by producing what they cannot buy on the market. Every country should place special emphasis on self-sufficiency, because being dependent on someone or something can ultimately mean a matter of life and death.
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I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies! Smiley
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers Smiley In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian Smiley
Leave him be as it is; mate, this guy believes that in a world where Russia attacked and murdered thousands of civilians who had nothing against Russia but they are just too good to steal food. We all know that anyone who is willing to kill an innocent person and enjoys it, will not be stopping at stealing food, you and me both know this. He is a Russian supporter, either Russian or just an ideological lover, and they will go at lengths to make it look like Russia is doing something they have to, even though they dislike doing it.

In a world where Putin is hated by EVERYONE but Russia lovers, even some Russians hate him, so it is not really that much of a shock to have people come to defend the most disgusting things.
Yes - I heard the same from a Ukrainin friends - she mentioned they take along their pans and food. Maybe they want them to starve and die day by day.
If this is so this is very sad and cruel . Russia has done so much damage to the Ukraine and also to the world. Time to think
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I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies! Smiley
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers Smiley In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian Smiley
Leave him be as it is; mate, this guy believes that in a world where Russia attacked and murdered thousands of civilians who had nothing against Russia but they are just too good to steal food. We all know that anyone who is willing to kill an innocent person and enjoys it, will not be stopping at stealing food, you and me both know this. He is a Russian supporter, either Russian or just an ideological lover, and they will go at lengths to make it look like Russia is doing something they have to, even though they dislike doing it.

In a world where Putin is hated by EVERYONE but Russia lovers, even some Russians hate him, so it is not really that much of a shock to have people come to defend the most disgusting things.
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The increasing need for food makes many countries have to do everything to meet the food needs of the country, I think this is the fault of many countries because most of them focus on industry and leave agriculture, when there is a stock problem, the wheat producing country will increase significantly, making the country feel difficult with the increase, maybe this is the beginning of world war 3.
legendary
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^^^ Not surprised with reports of looting. Looking at the Russian casualty figures published by BBC Russia, I could see that the regions with maximum number of deaths were poor minority dominated ones such as Buryatia, Tuva, Ossetia and Dagestan. Hardly any deaths were reported from Moscow (where 15% of the Russians live) and St. Petersburg. Living standards in Asian republics such as Buryatia are abysmally low when compared to European conditions. And this is what Russia get after 3 decades of looting of natural resources by the oligarchs.
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