Topic: Wheat War I is going to be World War III - page 13. (Read 6301 times)

That’s the world for you, sometimes you will see that there are things that would happen in other countries and they would be neglected to suffer it, then when it happens to the world’s favorite, they all starts to roll up and support them. When you start looking at all these things, you will come to see that it’s just partiality.

There has been other countries which has been at war for years now, and the word has not been doing anything much to support these countries and help them out and also put an end to the war. Innocent children and people just keep dying every day in all these countries, but no one really cares. It’s really a high time that the word starts to put everything in balance and stop being one sided.

There are rumors on the street that the best investment right now is along foods companies or fish companies that will burst in demands in the next coming months. Do I believe this ? Mostly yes. Why ? Because it's clearly and I can think all of us are feeling the inflation problem and the increasing in price on food , water and fruits...as the basket is no longer the same that was 5 months ago with products in valor of 50$. Now you pay almost 75 for the same basket you took 5 months ago. In the next 3 months , we might even pay double for the same amount...which is already insane as salaries remained the same.

This thread actually makes sense about food shortage and all of that so let's hope that everything will go back to normal and we won't see countries and people literally fighting over food rations ...no one wants to see that.

Ukraine won the heart of almost the whole EU, and everyone turned against Russia.
Here I want to draw attention that there are so many countries in the other part of the world where the war has been going on since ages and there is no end to it. Those are also humans! Just an other dimensions.

I am glad that Russian Caliber is not a problem for Ukraine. Moreover, Russia ran out of them in early March due to sanctions (according to Ukrainian propaganda).

If we omit about aircraft carriers, what will be left of the former military power of the United States? This is a very sensitive issue for Pentagon generals.

The "logical explanation" is simple, Russia is not at war with NATO now - this is only why.

Good logic, but it has one significant flaw. In addition to the MiG-31K, Dagger missiles are also capable of carrying TU-22M3 aircraft.

Of course I can, in Ukraine, Russia does not carry out massive bombing strikes, so as not to damage civilian infrastructure. The only case so far when Russia used air bombs in Ukraine at all was the bombing of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

Statistics on Caliber used against Ukraine. Of the 100% launched, approximately 10-20% reach the targets. Part of the launched Calibers simply does not reach due to the fact that these are missiles "having no analogue" A noticeable part is shot down by Ukrainian air defense. I also saw it happen in person. At the same time, some of those Caliber who, surprisingly, were able to fly, get anywhere - into residential buildings, wastelands, beach toilets, as it was in Odessa. So Calibers are not a problem, no matter how much you would like the opposite.

Let's omit about aircraft carriers, tell me better - why are NATO ships (of various classes, including cruisers, destroyers) constantly present in the Mediterranean and Black Seas, and are they "not afraid of daggers"? And these are not only American, but also Italian, Greek, ....
I'm very interested to hear the "logical explanation"!

Oh yes - and more. It’s probably not news to you that the “Dagger” needs what to become a hypersonic missile? And here's what - "the missile must be dispersed by the MiG-31 carrier." Those. this "feature" works only with such a launch ("Iskander", which underlies the "Dagger" rocket itself is slow). The question is - what will happen if the enemy simply destroys the same MIG-31s ​​at the parking points, which, in the version adapted for the launch of the "Dagger", are literally one? It's complicated ? Not ! Especially when you consider some facts:
- MIG-31 in general, only 519 units were produced for the entire time.
- A dozen of them are now monuments.
- At present, a little more than 250 MiG-31 aircraft of various modifications remain in service and storage in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
- Combat radius: 720 km (at an altitude not very convenient for NATO air defense, i.e. at the maximum ceiling).
- The car itself is quite outdated (more than 25 years old) and very unreliable - even an official Russian source speaks of almost 45 lost aircraft due to various kinds of malfunctions.


And about the habits of fighting To fly at maximum height and bomb Aleppo in the Syrian way, which had no air defense - this is Russian heroism. But in Ukraine, for some reason, the "heroes" do not risk inflicting massive air strikes deep into the territory of Ukraine. Can you tell me why? I will answer ! Even weak Ukrainian air defense is a PROBLEM for the Russian Air Comic Forces!

For the Ukrainian missile defense system, even relatively slow Calibers are a problem. And the hypersonic Dagger is a big and so far insoluble problem for NATO missile defense in general and the United States in particular. To effectively intercept missiles, your anti-missile must fly at least twice as fast, and preferably four times. The dagger flies at a cruising speed of approximately Mach 5.5 and the US does not have (and is not expected to in the foreseeable future) missile defense missiles capable of flying twice as fast. Another problem with NATO and the Russian Dagger is that this missile, flying in a hot cloud of plasma, is capable of maneuvering, that is, it does not fly along a ballistic trajectory, which makes it practically invulnerable. And the main problem of the United States with the Russian Dagger is that the Americans are used to fighting, urging an aircraft carrier and then bombing from it. And where are all the American aircraft carriers now? They are 1500+ km from the nearest Russian Dagger, because Dagger (even without a nuclear warhead) is a born carrier killer.

That is why I said above that the first launch of the Dagger ruined most of the US plans. The Pentagon now does not know how to fight, there is no longer an effective military strategy. This is not an empty hatred in the style of "the Taliban with rifles drove the Yankees out of Afghanistan", this is a simple statement of facts and the current state of affairs.

Yes, Dagger, this is essentially an Iskander missile "tied" to the MIG-31. And the whole hypersonic characteristic, it appears due to the summation of the speed of the aircraft, and additional acceleration due to the "fall" from a great height. As for the impossibility of shooting down, I agree that the rather outdated air defense of Ukraine can hardly cope with this task, but I’m not sure that this will be a noticeable problem for NATO, don’t compare the technologies of the 21st century and the dispersed ancient wagon from the mountain, which they pass off as a Bugatti Veyron, just because that she rolls down the mountain faster than being towed by a horse
Oh yes ... I wonder how these missiles will be produced in the absence of Western high-tech components? Missile stocks are not eternal, and production will soon be completely paralyzed. "Import substitution"? Do not make me laugh ! For example, I personally observed the dismantling of the "unparalleled" Orlan-10 UAV (really a very primitive device) and the wreckage of another one, the name of which I do not know. So - if you throw out Western components from there, it will be absolutely not a functional glider for manual launch from the roof of the house

Even Biden had to admit that the Dagger is an ordinary missile, it's just almost impossible to intercept it. Do you know what this means in reality? That 80% of all NATO strategies and combat plans flew into the trash after the first successful combat use of the Dagger. And after that, NATO realized its incompetence and in every possible way avoids the escalation of the conflict, so as not to be drawn into it by its direct participation. And this is a relatively light rocket, in fact, the usual good old Iskander, which was hung under the plane and thus dispersed to hypersonic.

Don't be fooled, the sinking of the Moskva is actually Ukraine's only significant and meaningful tactical success in this confrontation with Russia. Otherwise, Ukraine acts as a whipping boy. I pay tribute to the courage of Ukrainian soldiers, they show great fortitude, despite the absence of even the slightest chance of success. The forces are too unequal, Russia is in a different weight category.

Sounds very powerful. Just like in the brochure!
Ok, Ukraine, which does not have significant air defense, missed a certain number of Kinzhal missiles. Here no one disputes this fact.
But at the same time, the Ukrainian army, in many other situations, just showed the uselessness of Russian "unparalleled" ones (the funniest narrative from Russian media). The cruiser Moscow, Zmeinny Island, the "vaunted" electronic warfare and other advertised "fakes", especially the welded grilles on the towers of "tanks that have no analogue", "guaranteed to save from being hit by a javelin", all of them showed their effectiveness, which is very different from the declared one. Of course for the worse. But for some reason you "forget" about it, a sort of selective sclerosis. Engagement?

OP, I think the first "Food" war.... will start after the "Water" wars. We all know that food and animals cannot live without water, so once most water sources has been polluted and the weather changed .....rain will decrease and a water crisis will start.

One thing that I have learned over time is this.... People have a way to adapt to changing conditions. A lot of people have lived in the most desolate areas in the world, but I think the countries with the most dense populations are going to suffer the most. (China)

The solution : Look after Nature... and it will look after you!

I've just read on the news that there's someone who said that the food crisis is going to be the next pandemic alike situation. Well, it seems to be true and the news about food shortage is starting to go out and it seems that the majority is still not worrying and taking it seriously about this situation. Food shortage, oil crisis, covid's still there and much many more economic issues. There's also a Russian representative that I've just read the quote of that news that he said, there's no crisis that Russia is facing currently with regards to these issue.

Russia has faced fierce military resistance to invade Ukraine and is unable to conquer it militarily. Therefore, Putin's criminal regime changed its original plans and began mass destruction of the civilian population in Ukraine, including women, children and the elderly, as well as bombing, shelling and destroying the civilian infrastructure in Ukraine by all possible means in order to suppress the ability to resist and cause fear among the people of Ukraine . With these actions, Russia caused completely different consequences both in Ukraine and in the international community. If before the large-scale invasion of Ukraine in February, everything Russian was treated fairly loyally in Ukraine, and even an influential pro-Russian party was actively working in its parliament, now even Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine have begun to treat Russians extremely negatively due to massive robberies, rapes and murders by Russians. soldiers of the Russian-speaking population, which they allegedly came to liberate and protect from incomprehensible "Nazis" who exist only in the heads of the Kremlin's politicians. After such atrocities on the part of the Russian occupiers, more than 80 percent of the people of Ukraine do not want to make any concessions to the aggressor and only want Russia's military defeat. Therefore, the Ukrainian government has stopped any negotiations with Russia for the time being.

One of the spheres of intimidation of Ukrainians is also the destruction or blockade of grain and other agricultural products, which caused tension in the world with food, since only in the seaports of Ukraine blocked by Russia there are more than 22 million tons of grain that cannot enter international markets. In order to solve the current food problem, which Russia has artificially created, you just need to curb the Russian aggressor.

I see that some here directly admire the political leadership of Russia, headed by its current emperor Putin, who single-handedly makes any decisions of a political and economic nature, as well as the military power of this state. I would like to see how they would admire if Russia attacked their country and tried to turn them into slaves in the 21st century, as Russian soldiers are trying to do with the people of Ukraine. The Putin government, like every occupier, will find only their own death in Ukraine.

Of course there is no public information since as I said the official stance is a range below 2500 km and usually reported as 1450 lol. One hint is that the technology used to send satellites into orbit is pretty similar. Another hint is the size of some of these missiles and the fact that they exit atmosphere and finally the fact that military officials have hinted at the availability of them.
But we're going off-topic now

FYI the success rate of a defense system depends on a lot of factors including missile speed, size, altitude, projectile path, ... and whether the system is overwhelmed or any kind of cyber warfare is used by the missile itself. The best case scenario is a success rate of below 10%.

Having nuclear weapons only helps in deterrence. Those countries that do not have can be easliy attacked just as Russia did with Ukrain. Missile defence system are just a waste of money. If 10 missiles are launched the chance of a best missile defence stopping it is only 90 percent. Therefore you need to have missile like the ICBM. DPKR is a rogue nation but they know if a missile hits any city of the USA then their country will cease to exist. The missile power show by DPKR is only an act of deterrence.

^^^ Agreed on the MIM-104 Patriot. It has proved to be completely useless. And this is exactly one of the reasons why führer Recep Tayyip Erdoğan went for the S-400 air defense system instead of the Patriot, despite all the threats and blackmail from the Americans. Even hardcore US allies such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE are considering the purchase of S-400, to protect their skies.

And now coming to the ICBMs, I don't know about the capabilities of Iranian missiles. As far as I know, the one with longest range is Sajjil-2, which can target locations as far away as 2,200 km. However, this one is more like a medium-range ballistic missile than an ICBM. I have heard about Shahab-6, but not much information is available.

I always laugh hard whenever I hear the name of this defense system. It is literary the most expensive and most useless thing that has ever been made. It couldn't even protect Saudi Aramco[1] or even US bases against primitive rockets and drones made by the poorest country in Middle East called Yemen
[1] I believe it cost them about $100 million to try and fail to shoot down half a dozen projectile. Some joked that the damage caused by the impact was lower...

The keyword is "proven". NK has nothing to lose so they make these things public otherwise we too have hypersonic ICBMs but whenever a new missile is revealed we say it's range is 1500 KM

Having nuclear weapons alone is not enough. The country needs to have ICBMs, which can launch these nukes against the opponents. And I don't believe that Pakistan is having ICBMs that are strong enough to evade common air-defense systems such as the Patriot or the S-400. On the other hand, everyone is concerned about the DPRK, because they have proven that they have ICBMs that can reach the mainland United States. If they launch 10-15 missiles, there is a good chance that at least 2-3 would evade the air defense.

I think the countries that imposed sanctions against Russia were counting on a completely different effect. Putin set a good example of political judo.

Has anything happened yet? The whole world turned against Russia and it didn't affect Russia. However - now EU is in trouble because of oil and gas.
The sections are not going to have a single effect on the Russia - but dont you think whoever has done boycott with Russia is now in troublesome condition

You are right, it depends on the country. I think Russia, by its actions in Ukraine, deserves to be taken seriously enough. The demonstration of combat use of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile at the beginning of the operation was quite impressive, the missile penetrated 60 meters of earth and several meters of reinforced concrete, and then exploded in an old Soviet bunker that was specially designed to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear missile. Nevertheless, the bunker was hit, albeit by a conventional non-nuclear warhead, and the missile defense systems worked after the target was hit. Russia has made very significant progress in offensive tactical and strategic nuclear weapons in recent years and the balance of power has now shifted in its favor. Hypersonic missiles Dagger, Zirkon and Sarmat with Avangard warheads allow Russia to unhinderedly launch a preventive nuclear strike anywhere on the planet, and its S-400 and S-500 missile defense systems give hope that this strike will go unpunished. In addition, Russia also has Poseidon unmanned underwater nuclear drones on combat duty, which are called the "Continent Killer". The US has squandered its technological lead by 20 years of chasing terrorists and now the world has a new sheriff.