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September 05, 2022, 12:28:26 PM
The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.
Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.

Before the war began, Russia and Ukraine accounted for 24 percent of global wheat exports together. Ukraine alone was the biggest wheat exporter to at least 10 countries. Now all of them are facing shortages. More than 22 million tons of grains are trapped inside Ukraine. They're rotting in warehouses as people go hungry. A global report and food crisis estimates that at least 180 million people in more than 41 countries will face food crisis this year due to the war. Now Russia, Ukraine and Turkey have signed the grain export deal, leading to a major breakthrough.
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September 05, 2022, 07:28:38 AM
"The greatest politician in the world, the greatest genius, with his second army of the world," began to squeal and demand negotiations with Ukraine. Through his bedside dog Peskov, he conveyed the following: Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on how the "special operation" will be terminated and the observance not of conditions, but of Russia's interests.

...what a pitiful sight! Smiley))

So finally even he the "the greatest politician in the world" is starting to realize that he lost near 1/3 of his combat force so far in the war against Ukraine and things are looking even worse for him now that a heavy counteroffensive is taking place in the occupied territory of Kherson.

This if deployed successfully then the Ukrainian forces will have also the power to liberate Crimea as there are no routes in which more Russian soldiers can come to the aid of the existing ones trapped in Donetsk.Apparently Putin is not a great general and he screw it up really big with this war,Russia is suffering heavy losses both in men power and economically the most,no one is happy there in Russia yet the people still support Putin and I don't understand this.

As for the wheat it will be no problem,they have both agreed in a humanitarian corridor which is working and so far a lot of ships have left there to their destinations untroubled.
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September 05, 2022, 05:53:38 AM
Forget about wheat. The common food stamp for poor people, rice is under threat as two countries known for at top 5 rice export in volume, Vietnam #2 and Thailand #3 want to cooperate on raising the price of rice. With Pakistan #4 in rice export (in terms of volume) under heavy floods, loss of rice crops and even asking for food aid, the situation looks grim for countries that have huge imports of rice to meet the food need of their citizens.
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September 05, 2022, 02:15:07 AM
The global food situation is worsening every second and in a month or two could lead to mass unrest followed by regimes suppressing the violence and eventually a wider war between countries stealing each other's food supplies to ease their domestic unrest, something similar but worse than what we saw during the first months of pandemic where Europeans countries were stealing from each other to ease their own crisis.

Let's take a quick look at a series of events:
1. Russia and Ukraine are two big producers, Russia invades and production is ceased in Ukraine.
2. Russia is sanctioned to put economic pressure on them so their exports to 99% of the world is completely stopped
3. Other producers like India follow this trend and stop their exports
4. Price of food soars as scarcity is now a serious threat
5. Other countries are embracing for the crisis by trying desperately to increase their own production but fertilizer exports are also ceased so the domestic production has also decreased significantly in most countries.
6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.
7. France is already telling Ukraine to give up defending so that maybe they can avert food crisis themselves!

The real question is how would each country handle this crisis. And at what scale is the conflicts going to break?

In West Asia we are producing most of our needs already but the pressure is still felt here. The biggest problem we are facing is the neighbors. The borders are already being tightened as we speak to handle immigration and prevent illegal exports that are basically stealing food!

Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.
US doesn't seem to be doing well either as they are currently trying to rob Ukraine and transfer all their wheat supply to reduce the crisis US itself is facing through the western border while Russia is still busy in the east and south and the world isn't looking.

This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.


 The US can comfortably produce these products that they are pilfering from the Ukrainians and I'm tempted to assume it's because of this act of theirs that they have decided to covertly support with arms.

 The question I can't quite wrap my head on is why take from another country who are in a war and would use these as a means to strengthen themselves while in a fraught situation? Is it that by buying from them, you are helping financially or you are just not okay with taking from your own?
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September 05, 2022, 02:11:11 AM
The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.
Some Asian countries wouldn't be affected too much by it since rice is still available although they do have bread, I don't think that they're going to be hit big. Maybe this wheat shortage should be a wake up call for many countries to find alternative or maximize growing their own wheat because a collapse in global supply chain is disastrous.

Well, obviously Asia have like 90% of Rice production globally. So that's not gonna be a problem. The wheat shortage will make people realize that we should be paying more for the farmers and producers rather than the distributors. Hoarding became rampant these days especially after the pandemic. These shortage of foods will also makes us realize that we should not always focus on technological advancements but also agriculturally.
Governments should consider cultivating more lands to grow crops to feed not only their country but globally to increase it's GDP by exporting their goods.
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September 05, 2022, 01:51:08 AM
The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.
Some Asian countries wouldn't be affected too much by it since rice is still available although they do have bread, I don't think that they're going to be hit big. Maybe this wheat shortage should be a wake up call for many countries to find alternative or maximize growing their own wheat because a collapse in global supply chain is disastrous.
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September 04, 2022, 11:56:53 PM
Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.
I somewhat agree with you that the situation has gotten slightly better but not enough to eliminate our concerns. Keep in mind that some issues will take time to show their ugly heads. For example the fertilizer shortage I mentioned in OP will start showing its effects mostly during spring as farmers start having shorter yield.
Same with food shortage, almost all countries have strategic storages which would again take time to run out. Granted they've all been trying to fill it but I haven't seen major success yet.
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September 04, 2022, 06:53:59 PM
There are femine in one part of the world and there is flood in the other part of the world
There are two extrems and stilll we are throwing bombs to fight with the our country men.
In which country do you live that you still have to throw bombs to fight with the state? Because if the war continues, there will never be an increase in the price of cryptocurrency and it will be difficult for changes to occur in the market because worsening world conditions can also greatly affect the market. So make peace with the state and don't fight just to defend your ego or whatever is still possible to be resolved in a good way.
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September 04, 2022, 05:47:56 PM
The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.
Compared to the situation the world experienced few months back, right now it seems like there is good production of wheat to fulfill the present needs. Due to war it was much discussed about the food shortage to happen around the world. Somehow things have got better with time. Maybe the production from Russia and Ukraine reaching the global market will lower the price that have reached its peak.
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September 04, 2022, 04:01:49 PM
"The greatest politician in the world, the greatest genius, with his second army of the world," began to squeal and demand negotiations with Ukraine. Through his bedside dog Peskov, he conveyed the following: Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky on how the "special operation" will be terminated and the observance not of conditions, but of Russia's interests.

...what a pitiful sight! Smiley))
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August 29, 2022, 10:23:59 PM
6. China is mass purchasing any food (wheat, etc.) that are found in the world and is also pre-purchasing future production (as much as anybody would sell them) at high prices.

I agree that the scarcity of food becomes more serious, leading a price to rocket. After reading the number 6, I assume that China will take an advantage to be more powerful, and control more developing countries because they have a large food supply.
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August 29, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
The global demand for wheat is going to increase steeply in the long-term, because the population growth is very high in major wheat importing countries such as Egypt, Algeria, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Morocco. On the other hand, apart from Russia and Ukraine, the wheat yield is down in most of the exporting countries due to drought and other reasons. In terms of price movements, wheat is very similar to crude oil. Two years ago, wheat was trading at <$200 per ton. Now it is trading at almost 2x that amount.
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August 24, 2022, 12:54:27 AM
Draughts are still common there.
Everything about the world is starting to change. Even droughts, for example the European continent that was considered "green" is starting to be hit with drought while other regions that previously struggled are getting more rains and turning "green".
The world order is not the only thing that is changing these days...

If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war.
Even if it doesn't trigger it, in any kind of large scale war food will be used as a weapon. For example all the food that China has amassed is not going to be consumed domestically, they will have to sell it at some point before it expires. If they start a war they could start using that as a bargaining chip like how Russia is using its gas these days.
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August 23, 2022, 11:05:01 PM
The food crisis that occurred this time was actually not only due to a shortage of food supply but also caused by problems in terms of food affordability itself. and also the concentration of food production is a problem that triggers food speculation and this food speculation has an impact on rising world food prices.

The pandemic, war and extreme weather that occurred today are certainly the main triggers for this food crisis. but behind all that there is a game behind the rising world food prices. whether it's because there are countries that deliberately stock up food. or with anything else.

For countries that are used to food imports, the food crisis will definitely be felt. in contrast to countries that have implemented food policies that encourage farmers and communities to make independent production. such as breeders and farmers who have been able to escape from dependence on chemicals. by applying an organic fertilizer system and organic tillage.
make organic fertilizer with organic waste material through a fermentation process (using EM4). so that agricultural production remains stable even when imports of fertilizers from abroad are stopped.

but for some countries this food crisis has become a profitable thing. as for the country of Thailand which is the food industry will benefit from this situation as purchase orders increase amid increasing fears of this food crisis.

But again, what is worrying is that there will be countries that deliberately buy up food stocks so that the distribution of food supply will be disrupted. so there will be countries that remain in food crisis.

The next fear that has occurred is that some food-producing countries are starting to become stingy. because they have reasons to maintain food stability in their own country.
For example, wheat-producing countries that impose restrictions are Russia, India, Serbia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Kosovo.
of course not only for wheat but also for other food items such as sugar, beef and soybeans (similar) as well as fertilizers.



If this continues, it is not impossible to trigger a world war. because there will be a country that wants to control food in the midst of this crisis. and I think that now conflicts between countries have started to emerge. even though everything is wrapped like it's not about food. but the truth is surely everything is a matter of food and survival. and this Wheat War is what we fear. Small sparks can create large, widespread flames.
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August 23, 2022, 10:22:36 PM
If they don't have bread ask them to eat cake... These lines were the cause of French revolution..i don't know if world war 3 will happen, but yes hunger can make people rise and fight, or just perish. Hunger is there is African countries for long. Draughts are still common there. It is just that they don't have technology for war. They suffered.  But yes hunger can make people real savages.
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August 23, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.

Reminds me of the scenario we had with the COVID vaccines back in 2020-21. The richer nations were able to accumulate more vaccine supplies than they actually need, while the third world nations were sidelined. The grain deal between Ukraine and Russia was finalized claiming that most of the grain is needed to prevent famine in the Sub-Saharan Africa, Maghreb and Middle-East regions. But European agro-business firms are accumulating most of this grain, and I assume that they will re-export it at a premium to the third world nations.
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August 23, 2022, 05:49:33 AM

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/food/1656338/Food-mouldy-foods-you-can-eat-safe-cheese-fruit-veg-storage-hacks

Under normal circumstances something like this would just go unnoticed but considering the global food war that has been going on for more than a year and how some European regimes have been struggling to secure their future food supplies, seeing such a news that's basically encourages people to eat mouldy food that should be thrown away is showing the seriousness of the next crisis (first one is energy crisis).
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August 21, 2022, 05:36:58 PM
Italy and all the others are able to grow their own grain.  The whole scheme is to increase supply I imagine, not exactly purely for free supplies in a completely obvious way.  I wouldn't jump entirely to a conspiracy type mindset on misdirection of supplies.   Ukraine wants and needs money, Im fairly close to zero surprise that most of the grain is going to the highest bidder for the produce as that is normal commerce.  That normal trade does help and is part of the plan to see the overall market from not accumulating into a famine situation for the poorest countries.
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August 21, 2022, 01:47:10 PM
To send grain and other agricultural products from the ports of Ukraine in accordance with the agreements on the provision of a corridor with the participation of Turkey and the UN, signed agreements are needed. The first vessels from Ukrainian ports went to the addresses of signed and confirmed contracts. Now 26 ships loaded with agricultural products have already left Ukrainian ports, and applications have already been submitted for loading 40 ships. In addition, the United States bought 150,000 tons of grain from Ukraine to provide food assistance to countries where the threat of famine loomed.
As far as I know, the first vessel with grain for Ethiopia chartered by the UN World Food Program - Brave Commander - departed on August 16 from the Yuzhny port in the Odessa region.
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August 19, 2022, 10:49:53 AM
I think wheat war is goin g to be the precursor of world war. We are facing shortages of different kinds, water, wheat, land and more. Most importantly we are facing shortage of good leaders

For a world war, an aggressor country is needed. Now the aggressor is Russia, carrying cancer cells of the "Russian world" around the world.
But the problem in Russia is that, apart from being mean, stealthily, spoiling, and even more so only to the weaker, it can do nothing. Everything that she declared about her power turned out to be, at best, a fake, but in fact - a stupid, primitive lie. Therefore, Russia's time is numbered! It won't be in a week or a month, but soon enough we'll see the collapse of another "pathetic, bastard under-empire". And gas, oil and nuclear weapons will not help them, just as it did not help the USSR
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