It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.
The number still looking good for EU, and yes they will not starve to death as they still have trading partners. The real affected here is the 3rd world country or the developing country and we already feeling it. We imports most of our goods and the price started to rise already. If there’s a war trade between those countries, tendency our the value of basic commodities will increase and this is why some countries started to limit their export already. 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.
Germany is the second-largest food exporter in the world (The beating heart of the European continent ❤)The United Kingdom is the third-largest food exporter in the world (North-west of the European continent)
France is the sixth-largest food exporter in the world (The western edge of Europe)
The Netherlands is the seventh-largest food exporter in the world (located in western Europe)
Belgium is the ninth-largest food exporter in the world (located in the west of Europe)
Italy is the tenth-largest food exporter in the world (located in southern Europe)
Confirmed: No risk of food shortages in the EU
It's pitiful but poor countries are the ones that will be affected by Russia. It was Russia and their dictator Joseph Stalin that starved millions in the Ukrainian Famine and seems they are going to repeat the same for Africa and the Middle East.
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It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.
Happened with everyone in the former Warsaw pact, and it will change in a few years for the better and better.
It was the same around here, from Prague to Budapest to Warsaw, everyone was saying no more anything is produced, then it took a few years and look, we're exporting things everywhere, Poland is even trying to play in the big guys league when it comes to food exports, of course, France is a beast of its own but the others can be reached. Even Romania is showing signs of starting again to produce more things, both they and Bulgaria have this problem with infrastructure and store manufacturing so they export raw and get finished products but it will get there.
Speaking strictly about Croatia I must admit, I have no clue what type of land and what is being cultivated in all that former Yugoslav block, all my knowledge about agriculture has been confined north of the Danube, so it might be that you lack the land to produce wheat or maize or whatever. From my few trips there I picture it more like some olive oil whine country, more like Italy or Spain.
But bottom line, no, no fucking way Europe can't feed itself!
It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar.
It's exactly the same, a population that was at a center of a union suddenly saw the others don't want them anymore, the Serbs ruling Yugoslavia, the Russians ruling the Soviet Union. And when their former co-nationals don't want them anymore they forget the "brotherly" love and start butchering them like savages. And now they don't understand why everyone around them hates them.
Wow, so much is going all over the world. The fact that India stopped exporting is not because of any insider job/decision, it's merely step back to keep up the internal food scarcity from worsening. If India keeps exporting then they have nothing to loose but gain more in the IMF and make the Rupee stronger. However, many of them think it's because of Russia-India relationship which is making them to go this route. Its entirely wrong. Situation in India is poor in terms of weather. The whole nation is suffering from all time high heat until now and some regions are surprisingly hit by worst monsoon ever!
The problem is, every region and local farmer knows the weather cycle as they keep farming every year. Since couple of years weather has changed so many cycles that the crop which is suitable this month is either getting too much water, too much sunlight or too much cold (spreaded across nation) and thus crop production is failing a lot.
Lemons, Onions, Grapes, Mangoes everything is so costly here, common man thinks twice before buying them! The mother nature has taken the rope in their hands now and who knows how bad this is gonna be.
I dont think there is any finger on India as of now. Every nation will always think about their own peeps before making any move towards other nation. Off course, if it's gonna be WWIII then India is much more organised as compared to previous wars and had learnt million lessons and is prepared for the same.
The problem is, every region and local farmer knows the weather cycle as they keep farming every year. Since couple of years weather has changed so many cycles that the crop which is suitable this month is either getting too much water, too much sunlight or too much cold (spreaded across nation) and thus crop production is failing a lot.
Lemons, Onions, Grapes, Mangoes everything is so costly here, common man thinks twice before buying them! The mother nature has taken the rope in their hands now and who knows how bad this is gonna be.
I dont think there is any finger on India as of now. Every nation will always think about their own peeps before making any move towards other nation. Off course, if it's gonna be WWIII then India is much more organised as compared to previous wars and had learnt million lessons and is prepared for the same.
Bruh, what? The EU is the net exporter of food, seriously, where do you get this idea?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?
It seems that I misjudged the situation when it comes to certain products, all because more or less everything is imported in my country - milk, beans, beef and pork, potatoes... Somehow it seems to me that despite the rather large agricultural areas that are poorly cultivated or not cultivated at all, without imports we would be in a rather difficult situation. When a country loses 400 000 inhabitants in 10 years and has an anti-national policy led by former communists and their children who hate the country in which they live, then it is no wonder that we are so dependent on imports.
That's true Putin has managed to unite the whole of Europe better than ever.
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war, telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war, telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear
It seems to be exactly as you describe, but I wonder if the Russians were not aware that their moves would result in just such a development? Many parallels can be drawn between the war that began in 1991 when Serbia invaded Croatia, occupied 1/3 of the country and killed thousands of innocent civilians - while the siege of Mariupol lasted almost identically to the siege of Vukovar. After all, the Serbs were defeated militarily and politically, although they realized a plan to expand their territory by gaining 49% of the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina that they want to annex to Serbia.
I think the goal of the war was to destroy Ukraine in terms of infrastructure and economics and to increase the occupied territories in the east - while the attack on Kyiv and northern Ukraine was just a smokescreen and a distraction of Ukrainian forces.
It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.
Ukraine mined the exits from the port, fearing a Russian landing on Odessa. And now Russia is to blame for the fact that Ukraine cannot export 20 million tons of grain to Europe, which will cause famine in Ukraine itself, because this year's sowing campaign is actually disrupted. Logically. 
It is very disheartening that Russia is now using starvation as a weapon of war. I am not surprise because they used the same food blockage in Syria and many of opposition strongholds starved to death. The capturing of the Port of Odesa and other key ports was a calculated and planned war strategy to starve the world of agricultural products thereby forcing the West and it's partners to review sanctions imposed on them. This blockade has stopped almost a hundred foreign vessels shipping agricultural produce through the Black Sea from sailing. One of the greatest challenge NATO and its allies is facing is that Russian still has strong sympathisers that are willing to be used as instruments to make these Russian strategies work perfectly.
Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.
It is not just Russia though, it is also Ukraine and all the others that are putting fuel in the fire like India that recently banned exports and I recently learned that Indonesia had banned their Palm oil exports (which they may change these days) which caused the prices to soar and to the point that cooking oil was nowhere to be found in some countries such as Germany. 
Wheat war will be the third world war, most likely if European countries will definitely be a big problem, because wheat is their staple food, if the war can't be stopped it will definitely be a disaster for all countries, even though my country does not make wheat as a source of food. staple food but the impact of the war weighed heavily on us, all basic commodities went up, unemployment increased and our economy was very weak.
There is so much suffering and misery in the world, Heart aches all the time seeing people dying of malnutrition. The bans and sanction on Russia will go long way. Russia is one of the largest wheat producing county and it would not be an easy task cutting ties with Russia.
That is true, the EU of almost 500 million people imports a lot of food and is far from meeting its needs with its own production. Unfortunately, this is the result of a policy that has been pursued for decades, and which is yet to show its negative consequences, although some say we can see it today. Everything is still good as long as the product is on the shelves regardless of the price, but when people start arguing over who will get the last liter of oil and a bag of flour, then real riots will break out.
Bruh, what? The EU is the net exporter of food, seriously, where do you get this idea?
Let's assume you have ignored by previous post and the links in it, what does the EU import in such quantities, coffee, bananas, and macadamia nuts?
Top wheat importers:
https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=imports
Scanning for European countries....27 United Kingdom, 66 Switzerland 500 ....
Top wheat importers:
Scanning for European countries
https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=exports
2 EU-27 36,000 lol? Lol?
Chicken meat exports?
3 EU-27 1,800
Beef?
6 EU-27 685
Pig meat? And don't you dare touch this subject!!!
1 EU-27 4,750
So what do we import so much?
Oh, the famous sunflower oil, which..is not that much used in Europe actually, because well, Italians and with their diet, nordic and central with fat cooking, and the rest with rapeseed oil, which again!! we export a ton of it!On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.
That's true Putin has managed to unite the whole of Europe better than ever.
The army has become so scared of the warmongers pushing them to dos stupid things that finally, Kremlin has given the green light to Khodarenok to come in prime time on Russian state TV and tell them Russia can't fight another war, telling again and again, each day things they don't want to hear
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1523036461595242498
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592
Those were two shows one week apart, just thinking that not only he didn't commit suicide by shooting himself 100 times in the back with three different weapons but he came back, pushed in the show by the higher and he simply doesn't give a fuck it's clear what's happening.
The writing is on the wall, we have accomplished our mission despite this not being our original mission and we have done so despite fighting the entire world, so we will just retreat behind our borders since that's what patriotism means, defending the country. This is Hitler 2.0, we have successfully retreated back to defend the fatherland!
It is not just the nitrate (NH4NO3) fertilizer. Russia and Belarus together account for more than one-fourth of the global supply of Potash fertilizer and as a result of the embargoes the price has gone up exponentially.
And ignoring the fact that Canada and Germany make 1/3 of that production and while Germany and Spain produce 7% of it, Europe only needs to feed 1/20 of the world.
On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.
I can't agree with you here because we've seen that alliances don't mean much in real world when personal interests are involved. NATO is good as long as they are all threatened not just one of them. In other words I strongly believe that the moment Finland joins NATO, Russia will invade and NATO won't do anything about that either.Remember that even though Ukraine was not part of EU or NATO they had given them all kinds of promise for protection. That is why Ukraine let them enter in first place. Neither NATO nor US did anything for Ukraine apart from sending some low tier weapons and praying for them from afar!
but the occurrence of a world war, especially on Australia, will have a direct impact on us.
I'd be more worried about China, their expansion into Solomon Islands and the recent war simulation where they blew up a mock up of the most strategic Taiwan port looks like they are also gearing up for invasion. If US fools Australia to get involved in that conflict (through AUKUS Alliance) those islands are going to be a thorn in their side. 
Wheat war will be the third world war, most likely if European countries will definitely be a big problem, because wheat is their staple food, if the war can't be stopped it will definitely be a disaster for all countries, even though my country does not make wheat as a source of food. staple food but the impact of the war weighed heavily on us, all basic commodities went up, unemployment increased and our economy was very weak.
In my corunty, the weather is hot and the desert is extended, so I think that we import a large part of our food products, mainly wheat, and it seems that its prices will not decrease in the short term.
The good side is that most of our countries are linked to agricultural contracts (leased agricultural areas) in both Brazil and Australia, so I think that we will not face a problem unless environmental problems such as drought and forest fires increase, but the occurrence of a world war, especially on Australia, will have a direct impact on us.
As for the rest of the countries of the year, I do not think that we will face a problem this year, as all governments expect a crisis, but its extension for several years will cause a problem.
The good side is that most of our countries are linked to agricultural contracts (leased agricultural areas) in both Brazil and Australia, so I think that we will not face a problem unless environmental problems such as drought and forest fires increase, but the occurrence of a world war, especially on Australia, will have a direct impact on us.
As for the rest of the countries of the year, I do not think that we will face a problem this year, as all governments expect a crisis, but its extension for several years will cause a problem.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Europe seems to be highly dependent on imports when it comes to basic food (wheat, oil, live-stock feed, etc.) and others and the supply has decreased while the prices are soaring.
That is true, the EU of almost 500 million people imports a lot of food and is far from meeting its needs with its own production. Unfortunately, this is the result of a policy that has been pursued for decades, and which is yet to show its negative consequences, although some say we can see it today. Everything is still good as long as the product is on the shelves regardless of the price, but when people start arguing over who will get the last liter of oil and a bag of flour, then real riots will break out.
This is starting to feel like WWII already when the Allies invaded India for example and how Churchil stole their food and starved more than 3 million Indians to death. The difference however is that the option to invade East to survive their European War aka WWII is no longer there for the West, so my guess would be a lot of conflict between different countries in Europe if the food crisis worsens, NATO falling apart and eventual mass migration towards East.
At this point, I would not go so far as to talk about direct food conflicts within the EU, nor that NATO will fall apart. There is food on the market, and those who are willing to pay the highest price will get it - the EU is certainly at the top of those who have the means to provide enough food for their inhabitants. On the other hand, NATO is expanding even more and getting stronger with the accession of Sweden and Finland - and with the Russian invasion, no one thinks of leaving such a military alliance that guarantees security.
I am more concerned about countries that were heavily dependent on cheap grains from Ukraine and Russia, and now find themselves in a very difficult situation that means only one thing, great hunger, and mass protests.
A large portion of North Africa and Middle East import their wheat.
snipBut the difference with Europe and the reason why I focused on it is because the countries in West Asia that are facing the problems (Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,...) are all used to these problems. Their countries are already torn apart by decades long wars and food was already scarce. Europeans on the other hand have not experienced this and aren't expecting it.
Makes me wonder if the civil unrest in Europe would be as bad as if it happened in those countries you mentioned. My impression is that Europeans have become too docile for that.
I am really confused as to how exactly this is going to lead to a wheat war? I really do not see wheat as the only food source available to humans
Well it is not just wheat, it is basic food stuff.Please add 8 more points to the general list of problems - Russia is actively stealing grain from Ukrainian storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories.
That's part of the first point, whenever one country invades another they usually steal their resources too. For example as we speak US is stealing more than 80% of Syrian oil.There is no denying that world is effected by these two countries conflicts but still not this much as you prostrating it. Because there is always a conflict between different nation either they are from European side or from eastern countries the war always continues. The bitter thing is that hypocritic media is overly covering it as a biggest conflict and creating a mess for everyone although there are bigger issue out there and many countries already loss millions of peoples but they didn't cover it like this.
you only pointed few countries and prostrating this matter as WORLD crisis is a fool act. The world has too many other problem yet to solve and this matter is not even close.
You are absolutely correct about other wars but the difference is the involvement. For example when the bloodthirsty Western coalition invaded Afghanistan and killed innocent people their countries weren't involved and wasn't affected, just their troops. In Ukraine they are all involved, they are sending covert troops, they are sending billions of dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine, their imports and exports are directly affected,...you only pointed few countries and prostrating this matter as WORLD crisis is a fool act. The world has too many other problem yet to solve and this matter is not even close.
For example this war has cost US at least $60 billion so far which is about two times higher than their cost when they invaded Afghanistan ($7 trillion in 20 years, that's 29 billion a month).
I am really confused as to how exactly this is going to lead to a wheat war? I really do not see wheat as the only food source available to humans
Well it is not just wheat, it is basic food stuff. Have you noticed that cooking oil is also scarce and/or has much higher price? That's because the supply of other products are also lower.Have you noticed meat prices have also gone up and in some countries they are saying they soon have to put their livestock down because they can't provide their food? That's another case which would also affect dairy products too.
What else is left? Fruits and vegetables. That's covered by the scarcity of fertilizers.
As I said before, we are not yet at crisis levels but things are escalating towards that and with mismanagement we could face crisis very soon.
but they can't export some of it as a result of sanctions and embargoes.
What sanctions and embargoes? As long as they are paying Russia in Ruble to import their oil and gas and other things, there is no sanctions and embargoes. That means if Russia is not selling food to the same countries (in EU) that are buying their energy, they are doing it on purpose.It seems that you have a favorable bias towards Russia underlying your whole post, yet Russia is the one that started this global food crisis because of the totally unnecessary war with Ukraine
I have no bias towards the country that caused one of the biggest starvation in my country's history during WWII. We were neutral in that war.We are discussing the effects of the war on global food security not the war itself or whether or not it was necessary. We could discuss that in another topic if you like!
It is like a double whammy. Russia is having a bumper crop, but they can't export some of it as a result of sanctions and embargoes. Ukraine is one of the top producers, and the less said about them, that better. And another major producer (India) has banned wheat exports for this year. Now at the receiving end we have the major wheat importers. On top we have Indonesia, and then there are countries such as China, Turkey, Egypt and Algeria. China and Indonesia may continue with imports from Russia, but the other countries are in a tricky position.
Russia has a ban on wheat exports until the end of June 2022. 
Fertilizer is also a big issue. From my understanding, ammonium nitrates and urea are produced/exported from Russian and natural gas is an intermediate in the production of fertilizers which is under limited supply as well. The food supply is low and the cost of growing food is increasing. The luxury most residents in first worlds have is that their government is able to afford to make deals in order to secure food for its citizens, albeit at an elevated price from what's normal (better than nothing). The famine usually effects those already impoverished.
It is not just the nitrate (NH4NO3) fertilizer. Russia and Belarus together account for more than one-fourth of the global supply of Potash fertilizer and as a result of the embargoes the price has gone up exponentially. And regarding the nitrate fertilizer, natural gas is one of the key ingredients and many of the manufacturers in Europe and the rest of the world are forced to suspend their operations (as a result of sky high natural gas prices). As a result of the limited supply, we can expect that the cereal production will go down around the world in another 6 months time. And given the fact that cereal prices are already at record highs, it may put a lot of pressure on the grain importing countries.
Fertilizer is also a big issue. From my understanding, ammonium nitrates and urea are produced/exported from Russian and natural gas is an intermediate in the production of fertilizers which is under limited supply as well. The food supply is low and the cost of growing food is increasing. The luxury most residents in first worlds have is that their government is able to afford to make deals in order to secure food for its citizens, albeit at an elevated price from what's normal (better than nothing). The famine usually effects those already impoverished.
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