Topic: Wheat War I is going to be World War III - page 15. (Read 6332 times)

I inform you:
1. Russian terrorist troops, having seized cities and towns in the south of Ukraine, loot not only against civilians, but also steal and export massively wheat from storage facilities located in the temporarily occupied territories. This is a proven and documented fact!
2. Russia deliberately blocks the seaports of Ukraine, thereby stopping the shipment of grain to European and other buyers.
3. Russian terrorist troops massively steal agricultural equipment from agricultural companies located in the temporarily occupied territory. This fact has also been recorded. But here high technology has played a cruel joke on the technologically backward Russians. One example is the John Deere agricultural equipment, after it was overtaken by the aggressor to one of the regions of the country, was blocked and stopped working, which greatly surprised thieves who were backward in development and modern technologies!
Threat to the topic I will add another documentary, comedy story about the occupiers In Ukraine, backward terrorists massively steal from the houses of Ukrainians not only household appliances and things, but also plumbing. Washing machines and toilet bowls are in special demand among the inhabitants of the "great country". Yes, yes, do not be surprised - they steal toilets! But the funny thing is that when they bring washing machines to their place of residence and connect them, most of them do not work! And now the funniest thing - do you know why most looters do not have washing machines at home? I answer - because they do not have an ordinary water pipe in their houses that meets the requirements and standards, namely, water is supplied with an unacceptably low pressure that is not sufficient for the operation of a washing machine ... This is how greatness looks in Russian

It is just propaganda. The Russians are not confiscating agricultural produce and equipment in Ukraine. Not even the Ukrainians have made these allegations. And let's not forget the fact that Ukraine is a grain surplus country. They are among the top-5 exporters of wheat in the world and currently there is no food shortage across that country. The only issue is that some 10 to 15 million tons of grain that is earmarked for exports is currently stuck inside Ukraine. The port of Odessa is out of action and the railway system is not in working condition. Until the war ends soon, these stocks will remain stuck inside Ukraine.

several years ago in my country located in southeast asia experienced a fertilizer crisis. However, because of the cleverness of the farmers here, they have even made new discoveries, such as organic fertilizer from household waste and the natural environment, even banana trees, which generally only take the fruit after being cut down. so now in my country banana trees are fermented into fertilizer and animal feed. and it turned out to be effective. Recently I also saw a post that explains about saving farm costs by using and making independent organic fertilizers. so in my country food needs are always fulfilled because we do not rely on imports. although the government in my country is less active in fostering farmers. but farmers prove that they can even without the help of the government though. and now the government is starting to support and see the potential of the farmers.
my country is a fertile country.

However, I understand that in a country with infertile soil, food shortages will inevitably occur, especially if the country is used to importing food needs from abroad. then it can be a big problem if the import is stopped. This condition can lead to internal conflict. and will eventually widen into a bigger conflict if alternative solutions are not sought and found. it is not impossible if left unchecked will lead to war.

In fact war is going worse along with food shortage as US had hurriedly passed a bill for $40B for Ukraine weapons. And western media still portraying that Ukraine is winning?

Wake up because countries that relies heavily on food exports will also be forced to buy wheat from Russia for rubles as well if they intend to ask rubles once again. Its like the sanctions backfired to all countries and sooner when they come to realize, siding towards Russia will be more of a survival. Its just so wrong so wrong to poke a bear when in reality we need them more. 

While the US and other governments are worried about chemical weapons the truth is that something as simple as stealing the food and the water from the Ukrainians can have an even bigger effect than those weapons, we must not forget that the war also started when it was still winter at Ukraine so I would not be surprised if a lot of people froze to death as they lost their homes and the clothes necessary to protect themselves from the elements, so while we would like for the war to be over already it does not seems as if it is going to end as soon as we may like it.

but it seems that on the other hand the western countries when I see the news will provide tank assistance and war equipment to ukraine. from this it looks like the war will continue, and it is possible that it will spread, but hopefully not. And of course the route that Russia destroys I think is not only for the mobilization of food, so cutting off access can weaken the power of Ukraine.

Heard that Russian forces are confiscating the food and utensils of Ukrainian so they die of hunger and cold.
This is curel - the damage done is already very big. There is a need for mercy and forgiveness so that life comes back.

Not sure whether it is possible anymore. The railway track runs through the Dniester estuary, and a crucial bridge (Zatoka) was destroyed last week as a result of missile strikes. Ukraine was using this track to transport weapons provided by NATO nations and as a result Russia decided to take it offline. And as a result the wheat can't be transported from Odessa to Romania using this preferred route. Other routes (both rail and road) exists, but I am not sure whether they can handle this much capacity. And railway system all across Ukraine is in a pathetic state as a result of missile strikes. 

What you say is different from what is being discussed. What OP tried to brief is about a particular store's situation. If Amazon shows out of stock, then it'll affect its business. These stores will consume directly from the producer. Russia and Ukraine contributing the major need of wheat to the world into war is the major reason for ongoing food shortage. Hope this will be solved.

You are welcome but in all seriousness, I'll visit some supermarkets not only in my area but in other boroughs, I'll probably visit Düsseldorf too.

Now, don't believe, just check:
1. Visit Amazon.de
2. Click on deliver to and put 57614 in ZIP Code (Disclaimer: This is random zip code from google and works).
3. In search bar, type: Sonnenblumenöl (This means sunflower oil) and just check yourself whether it's in-stock or out of stock.

@Synchronice thanks for your input again but sorry I have a hard time believing you when people I know in real life are saying it and also many different media outlets like businessinsider (published on May 9, 2022) are also talking about the same shortage.
Or maybe that is all propaganda?!

They took Russia very easy - thinking Russia is Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria.
But Russia is powerful. They are going to fight back. No matter what and the world will understand that cutting off ties with Russia is not an easy thing.

I live in Berlin and I'm not facing agricultural problems. I don't use flour, and stuff that contains high glycemic index carbohydrates and unhealthy fats since I'm into bodybuilding (for cooking I only use extra virgin olive oil). I mostly visit Edeka, Rewe, Lidl and Aldi. I can confirm that there was no food shortage in these supermarkets, every shelf was full.
You can check yourself at Aldi online store - Click here
Visit Amazon.de, put a random german address and type Weizenmehl in the search bar.
Oils are in stock too and their prices are damn affordable for anyone. In general, food prices are very affordable in Germany and prices aren't going to soar much. Even if that happens, food will still be affordable for the average citizens if the salaries stay the same.

Here is another good statistics from statista:
Leading fertilizer importing countries worldwide in 2020, based on value
Leading fertilizer exporting countries worldwide in 2020, based on value

The main exporters of Russia's fertilizers are Brazil, Estonia, India, China and the United States. Source ¹

You should also check Food Security index. All the top 6 countries are European countries. In general, EAA countries lead in the chart and Russia is 23rd on the list.

You did not take into account the population when it comes to Poland, Bulgaria or Romania compared to Croatia, which now has about 3.8 million inhabitants (400 000 less than 10 years ago). The problem is that there is no one to produce food, and the biggest landowners in the continental part of the country, believe it or not, are Russians. They got the land on the basis of a loan they gave to the largest Croatian company Konzum, which went bankrupt, and then the most valuable parts were divided between local and foreign vultures.


There is also the continental part of Croatia which is a large fertile lowland where grain, barley, corn, sunflower, and oilseed rape are grown with the potential to feed 20 million people - but it is the part of the country from which most people have emigrated. Quite another story is the Adriatic coast, they are developing because of tourism, and because of that they live much better than the rest of the country. The only problem they have is that they are missing as many as 30 000 workers this year.



30 years after the war, they still deny aggression, mass crimes, concentration camps, the fact that they killed over 400 children - and they are getting closer to joining the EU every day. Because of all this, I think that in the end Russia will profit from everything and that in some 20-30 years no one will talk about war and crimes - except of course the Ukrainians.

During the disputes over Odessa, approximately 1.1 million tons of grain were transported from Ukraine to Romania by rail and road. This is the maximum that can be taken out by land in the current conditions.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to find alternative route for their wheat exports, because by the time the war ends they will be a landlocked country. Once the Donbass offensive is over, the Russian Armed Forces will direct their offensive towards Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk and Mykolayiv-Odessa. So the sooner they adjust with the reality of not being able to use the port of Odessa, that much better. And let's not forget the fact that the most productive wheat producing regions in Ukraine are located in the South and the East (most of which is under Russian control now).

Wasn't that clear from the start? It's damn basic economics and some here still don't understand that everything has a price and everyone has purchasing power. It was obvious that if a food crisis hits the ones that spend 90% of their income on food will be hit harder than the ones spending 20% or 30%, it's clear that the guy making 2000 euros a month will afford gas even when it's an at 3 euros per liter while the one making 200$ will not!

It's completely disappointing seeing this, especially on bitcointalk, where we clearly have the bitcoin price as reference, PPP means nothing here, it doesn't matter that rent is 20$ in Dakka and 2000$ in New York, one bitcoin is still $30 000 for both of them, and food is also traded, oil is also international traded, the one with more money will afford to buy more, just like with BTC.Basics!


Tell them to try and enter a store for a change:
https://www.kaufland.de/oele/
https://www.kaufland.de/mehl/

Or stop listening to propaganda for a change! Or get a clue when your friends are poking fun at you!
Or, since I'm a nazi lower American propagandist and obviously this is a fake nazi Ukrainian site and not the biggest store in Germany you can always ask the guys in the German sub if the shelves are empty, so you could finally stop with the fake news once for all.
Infinite possibilities that end with oil available everywhere.


You're not going to like the answer, but Europe exports animal feed! Just one click away!
https://oec.world/en/profile/hs/animal-food


You can't "stop" or redirect something that was never there!
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/wheat/reporter/rus?redirect=true

That's right. The attacks from north were part of the quick incapacitation strategy where (despite what the Western propaganda says) they didn't want to occupy Kyiv although (despite what the Russian propaganda says) they weren't expecting this much resistance either. In this strategy they had very key targets such as the Ukraine Air Force, their radars and air defenses, and most importantly their biological weapons labs that were build with the US help. Even Chernobyl (located in Northern Ukraine) was a target to make sure the intelligence was right and there weren't any nukes there.
Now Ukraine is forced into Guerrilla Warfare while Russia cuts off the possibility of NATO ever having access to the very strategic Sea of Azov and significantly reduces access to the Black Sea.

Thanks for the info but can you also explain where does the scarcity and the soaring prices come from in parts of EU that I heard about. For example my friends in Germany told me they haven't been able to find cooking oil, flour and some other stuff for about a month. Or UK is talking about a cost of living crisis and the fact that 1.5 million people entered absolute poverty level this year. Italy seems very import-reliant too when it comes to animal feed and general food production, for example farmers are reporting that they have to shut down business if the country can not provide them with what they need to grow crops or feed their livestock.

Could you also tell me where does EU get their fertilizers and animal feed from?

I don't think there is going to be that much issue in most of Western Asia mainly because when the Russian exports to the West stops, they have to replace their customers with someone else. They can't just keep accumulating grains, etc. The exports have already increased to Asia too.

I can't comment on Africa though since I don't have that much information.

These two big countries produce one of the basic necessities and I can say that we are all affected by this. Though, there are some countries who export the same thing, maybe its their chance to maximize their production and claim the spot if being the top exporter. This war caused a lot of problems already, hope they can finally end this one but I heard the news recently about US giving Ukraine a billions if aid money, they are still supporting this war as usual.

They are still facing bigger problems, we cannot deny it even before the war started between Russia and Ukraine, there’s already a trade war in some countries and maybe if this continues, EU countries will also face that problem. Small countries are the usual received of those bad economies, they are highly affected by this. Hoping that Russia won’t invade Finland as well now that they joined the NATO because if its happen, this could be a huge war again and this trade war will be more worst.