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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 12:49:18 PM

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I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

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Why don't you accept science too Badecker? If you did you would know that science has already proven that Newton 3rd law is wrong. That it's an excellent law to describe the world around us, but that if you look in details, it doesn't work.

When you look all over the Internet, and when you look in the science books, the closest you can come to finding Newton's 3rd Law to be proven wrong is in science theory. Since science theory does not have the strength of science law, Newton's 3rd Law has not been proven wrong.

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No. Newton's laws were invalidated by direct observation of the orbit Mercury makes. Sun distorts the fabric of space-time enough to distort the orbit of Mercury. so Mercury does not follow the orbit calculated using classical mechanics.

Again, just because people don't know the causes and the effects, doesn't mean they are not there. If people think that something in the orbit of Mercury disproves Newton's 3rd Law, its only because they have been to Mercury and have examined every last particle of space in the area of Mercury's orbit.

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We don't need to travel to Mercury to observe its orbit. We have eyes and telescopes. Now telescopes are digital, interfaced with computers, the discrepancies are measured, tests repeated an re-validated.

You are so good. You know about telescopes.

The things that you don't seem to know about are all the things that can't be observed or accounted for by the telescopes, no matter which kind of telescopes they are.

Newton's laws are invalid, but are a good approximation of that is really happening in nature.

My point is that we have invalidated the Newton's laws by observation not theories.

Somebody simply has some theories that they have invalidated Newton's laws by observation.

You want to believe that Newton's law have been invalidated by observing something like the orbit of Mercury, which is millions of miles away, but you can't do it with anything that you can put your hands on right here on earth only a few feet away?

If you don't realize that there are "things" out there that we don't know about, that affect the orbit of Mercury and so on, then you are missing it as a scientist.

Consider, for example, all the cosmology that makes way more sense that standard cosmology, found at http://www.thunderbolts.info/ and http://www.electricuniverse.info/. Even if electric universe is incorrect information, it shows that standard cosmology has all kinds of potential flaws.

Newton's laws stand as fact.

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Observation is not a theory.

Incomplete observation is not theory; it is less than theory. Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 11:54:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 11:35:17 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

Cool

Why don't you accept science too Badecker? If you did you would know that science has already proven that Newton 3rd law is wrong. That it's an excellent law to describe the world around us, but that if you look in details, it doesn't work.

When you look all over the Internet, and when you look in the science books, the closest you can come to finding Newton's 3rd Law to be proven wrong is in science theory. Since science theory does not have the strength of science law, Newton's 3rd Law has not been proven wrong.

Cool

No. Newton's laws were invalidated by direct observation of the orbit Mercury makes. Sun distorts the fabric of space-time enough to distort the orbit of Mercury. so Mercury does not follow the orbit calculated using classical mechanics.

Again, just because people don't know the causes and the effects, doesn't mean they are not there. If people think that something in the orbit of Mercury disproves Newton's 3rd Law, its only because they have been to Mercury and have examined every last particle of space in the area of Mercury's orbit.

Cool

We don't need to travel to Mercury to observe its orbit. We have eyes and telescopes. Now telescopes are digital, interfaced with computers, the discrepancies are measured, tests repeated an re-validated.

You are so good. You know about telescopes.

The things that you don't seem to know about are all the things that can't be observed or accounted for by the telescopes, no matter which kind of telescopes they are.

Newton's laws are invalid, but are a good approximation of that is really happening in nature.

My point is that we have invalidated the Newton's laws by observation not theories.

Somebody simply has some theories that they have invalidated Newton's laws by observation.

You want to believe that Newton's law have been invalidated by observing something like the orbit of Mercury, which is millions of miles away, but you can't do it with anything that you can put your hands on right here on earth only a few feet away?

If you don't realize that there are "things" out there that we don't know about, that affect the orbit of Mercury and so on, then you are missing it as a scientist.

Consider, for example, all the cosmology that makes way more sense that standard cosmology, found at http://www.thunderbolts.info/ and http://www.electricuniverse.info/. Even if electric universe is incorrect information, it shows that standard cosmology has all kinds of potential flaws.

Newton's laws stand as fact.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 11:35:17 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

Cool

Why don't you accept science too Badecker? If you did you would know that science has already proven that Newton 3rd law is wrong. That it's an excellent law to describe the world around us, but that if you look in details, it doesn't work.

When you look all over the Internet, and when you look in the science books, the closest you can come to finding Newton's 3rd Law to be proven wrong is in science theory. Since science theory does not have the strength of science law, Newton's 3rd Law has not been proven wrong.

Cool

No. Newton's laws were invalidated by direct observation of the orbit Mercury makes. Sun distorts the fabric of space-time enough to distort the orbit of Mercury. so Mercury does not follow the orbit calculated using classical mechanics.

Again, just because people don't know the causes and the effects, doesn't mean they are not there. If people think that something in the orbit of Mercury disproves Newton's 3rd Law, its only because they have been to Mercury and have examined every last particle of space in the area of Mercury's orbit.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

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I do accept science bitch. Just not your science. Only real science. You know - the one that you can prove over and over again with the same results.

Ah. Then you accept Newton's 3rd Law, which is in evidence all around us, and has only been negated by Quantum Mechanics probability, which is really only theory.

So, go the next easy step and accept the scientific proof that God exists. You will feel so much better, and will even have a chance to live forever, in glory and goodness, with God.

Is science bitch the name you give to your wife? Or is she just your girlfriend? What does she call you by? Or am I too presumptuous, and she is a he?

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

Cool

Why don't you accept science too Badecker? If you did you would know that science has already proven that Newton 3rd law is wrong. That it's an excellent law to describe the world around us, but that if you look in details, it doesn't work.

When you look all over the Internet, and when you look in the science books, the closest you can come to finding Newton's 3rd Law to be proven wrong is in science theory. Since science theory does not have the strength of science law, Newton's 3rd Law has not been proven wrong.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

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Why don't you accept science too Badecker? If you did you would know that science has already proven that Newton 3rd law is wrong. That it's an excellent law to describe the world around us, but that if you look in details, it doesn't work.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 03:01:19 AM

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Quote from: mrflibblehat on March 04, 2016, 02:48:59 AM

Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm

Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.

Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?

Agreed.

Finally someone making sense.

And the god that he created is himself. But nature and cause and effect show that there is a far greater God, making man's self-image god to be an idol.

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The god he created is himself because there is no other god than man.

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

Cool

I do accept science bitch. Just not your science. Only real science. You know - the one that you can prove over and over again with the same results.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 02:44:14 AM

Quote from: mrflibblehat on March 04, 2016, 02:39:10 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 09:09:21 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2016, 02:44:14 AM

Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm

Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.

Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?

Agreed.

Finally someone making sense.

And the god that he created is himself. But nature and cause and effect show that there is a far greater God, making man's self-image god to be an idol.

Cool

The god he created is himself because there is no other god than man.

I don't blame you for not accepting science. Some of the theories they have these days are plain nuts.

Cool

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Quote from: mrflibblehat on March 04, 2016, 02:39:10 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 09:09:21 AM

Quote from: mrflibblehat on March 04, 2016, 02:39:10 AM

Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm

Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.

Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?

Agreed.

Finally someone making sense.

And the god that he created is himself. But nature and cause and effect show that there is a far greater God, making man's self-image god to be an idol.

Cool

The god he created is himself because there is no other god than man.

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 09:09:21 AM

Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm

Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.

Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?

Agreed.

Finally someone making sense.

And the god that he created is himself. But nature and cause and effect show that there is a far greater God, making man's self-image god to be an idol.

Cool

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 03, 2016, 09:09:21 AM