Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 187. (Read 901362 times)
They hate religion because they judge people.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?
Agreed.
Of course, that's not the real God. The god man creates is himself, whenever he sets himself up higher than the real God, like atheists do all the time.
Atheism is self-contradictory, because the atheist is saying that there is no God, when he clearly knows that he doesn't know that there is no God. So, he is setting himself above the possible God. And it is all the more poignant now that science has proven God to exist through the three-law combination, cause and effect, complex universe, universal entropy.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Are you saying that MAN created GOD in his own image?
Agreed.
Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?
I just find it totally incredible that anyone spends so much time here spouting faulty arguments about the Universe.
I come by once in a while to see who's still at it.
Debating God & Atheism on BCT.
Priceless.
Must be nice to know EVERYTHING & have ALL THE ANSWERS,
(LMAO)
Since you know that the arguments about the universe are faulty, you must know a little about the ones that aren't. Please elaborate.
Thanks.
Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?
Or "complexity".
But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.
We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!
entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system
Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...
He cannot define it because it is not in the Bible.
BSDecker, you should just concentrate on the Bible and forget all the science stuff.
Science is confusing the issues for you. If you just stay focused on the Bible, you will be able to live your life like Jesus. You know, broken sandals, rags for clothes, beard and long hair, no money etc. Spend weeks in the desert, get together with your other hippy, gay friends, maybe smoke a joint or poke each other. Get high and go to heaven and back.
Why do you need to prove that God exist? You (and more than 2 billion people like you) believe it without any scientific proof, why bother if it is true or not, you have shown us that you don't care if it is true.
You'll believe it no matter what.
Praise the Lord and pass the bullets!!!
A-MEN!!
Put your HANDS on the RADIO!
Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?
I just find it totally incredible that anyone spends so much time here spouting faulty arguments about the Universe.
I come by once in a while to see who's still at it.
Debating God & Atheism on BCT.
Priceless.
Must be nice to know EVERYTHING & have ALL THE ANSWERS,
(LMAO)
Religious people have my sympathy. They are insane. They need professional help.
Feeling sorry for yourself again, eh?
To show them high and as religious belief is opposite to them they hate religion. Another reason religious followers are very high in count according to them. They try to attract more people by creating trends of religious opposition. This makes people to avoid atheists in several situations which make them completely hate religion.
But in having a belief that is opposite to religious belief, shows that they have belief. This means that they have a religion... a religion of atheism.
Since they oppose religion, and since they are religion, this shows that they oppose themselves.
To show them high and as religious belief is opposite to them they hate religion. Another reason religious followers are very high in count according to them. They try to attract more people by creating trends of religious opposition. This makes people to avoid atheists in several situations which make them completely hate religion.
Complexity is the anti-thesis of entropy. Perhaps there are other things that are virtually the opposite of entropy, but complexity is one of the basic ones.
The opposit of entropy is negentropy not complexity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negentropy
Best regards.
There is no system in which complexity doesn't break down in the presence of entropy.
Complexity is the anti-thesis of entropy. Perhaps there are other things that are virtually the opposite of entropy, but complexity is one of the basic ones.
The opposit of entropy is negentropy not complexity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negentropy
Best regards.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Whatever the Big Bang was (if it happens to be true) it "created" the whole universe, right? Do people have intelligence? Yes! Is there complexity in the universe that people can't figure out? Loads of it, way beyond the understanding of people! Thus, whatever the Big Bang was, if it existed, it was way more complex and intelligent than mankind, right? After all, there is nothing that we factually find or have found in the universe that creates something more complex than itself.
If the Big Bang is real, then it is the thing that fits our dictionary definitions of the word "God." Just remember, none of the theories of what a black hole really is, fit any of our theories of a big bang universe. In other words, if any of our theorized black holes exist, they wouldn't fit inside of any of our theorized big bang universes. Scientist theorists are a bit off in these things.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Hey, don't attack me.
I try to understand his reasoning. It's not easy. From what I understand he just says complexity is proportional to thermodynamic energy. It's not right but it's what I understand.
My comment was about BADecker claim. It was not attacking you or BADecker. Just that his idea of God (being the source of primal energy) and equating it with Christian God seems a bit of stretch to me.
Calling "unexplained energy source" a God? Just say what it is: unexplained source of energy.
His definition of complexity being an energy level is news to me
Complexity is the anti-thesis of entropy. Perhaps there are other things that are virtually the opposite of entropy, but complexity is one of the basic ones.
My comment was about BADecker claim. It was not attacking you or BADecker. Just that his idea of God (being the source of primal energy) and equating it with Christian God seems a bit of stretch to me.
Calling "unexplained energy source" a God? Just say what it is: unexplained source of energy.
His definition of complexity being an energy level is news to me
Is new to everyone in fact. No one defines complexity this way... And for a good reason...
It means you can't call complex or un complex things that are not physical. For example you can't say that a word/theory/code is complex. Not very useful definition no?
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Hey, don't attack me.
I try to understand his reasoning. It's not easy. From what I understand he just says complexity is proportional to thermodynamic energy. It's not right but it's what I understand.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
LOL. So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods? They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...
Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm
Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.
Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods. Which one you want to believe?
You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do. Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.
Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!
Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?
Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?
Or "complexity".
But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.
We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!
entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system
Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...
Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.
Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.
Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.
Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.
The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.
True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.
What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?
Interesting reasoning.
So if I understand everything you say that something is complex when it has more thermodynamic energy?
If yes then your reasonning is more or less correct.
Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.
Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.
Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.
Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.
The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.
True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.
What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?
You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.
You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.
organofcorti asked you to provide a definition of complexity. (how is it related to entropy?)
Do you get a bigger Bitcointalk rating for repeating other people's questions:
There are no dictionary definitions of complexity that mention entropy, or relate to other things you discuss.
The wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity does discuss complexity in such a way and provides competing explanations. I want to know which of these definitions you are using.
To everyone else: What will BADecker's next post be?
a) infantile name calling
b) changing the subject
c) a long incomprehensible ramble about complexity that still doesn't leave anyone any the wiser.
I think each of those have about the same probability of occurring.
Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.
Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.
Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.
Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.
The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.
True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.
What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?
You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.
You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.
organofcorti asked you to provide a definition of complexity. (how is it related to entropy?)
Do you get a bigger Bitcointalk rating for repeating other people's questions:
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