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Tsk Tsk. Don't throw around words if you don't want them back. Wait a minute. Shouldn't you turn the other cheek?
Actually afnewbie disproved you at least 2 times. And once was logical. Which means that in this universe you've lost this argument.
That's where your problem lies. You aren't smart enough to understand that there is a difference between talk and proof. And certainly, you aren't able to understand the difference itself.
So when you don't like what people like to say you call them stupid? That's pretty low buddy. But not unexpected from a "religious nut job".
Whatever.
Well, if (since) the shoe fits...
Actually afnewbie disproved you at least 2 times. And once was logical. Which means that in this universe you've lost this argument.
That's where your problem lies. You aren't smart enough to understand that there is a difference between talk and proof. And certainly, you aren't able to understand the difference itself.
So when you don't like what people like to say you call them stupid? That's pretty low buddy. But not unexpected from a "religious nut job".
Whatever.
Actually afnewbie disproved you at least 2 times. And once was logical. Which means that in this universe you've lost this argument.
That's where your problem lies. You aren't smart enough to understand that there is a difference between talk and proof. And certainly, you aren't able to understand the difference itself.
Actually afnewbie disproved you at least 2 times. And once was logical. Which means that in this universe you've lost this argument.
You know, even though it would be a waste of time, I'd like to meet you, Moloch, afnewbie and others that have contributed, meet in real life and discuss. I know Moloch said you were trolling but you're either the biggest troll ever you you really believe all the crap you say.
Either way - it would be interesting.
Either way - it would be interesting.
Since nobody has been able to show the flaws in the so-called crap I say, my so-called crap is less crap than things that are opposite of it.
You know, even though it would be a waste of time, I'd like to meet you, Moloch, afnewbie and others that have contributed, meet in real life and discuss. I know Moloch said you were trolling but you're either the biggest troll ever you you really believe all the crap you say.
Either way - it would be interesting.
Either way - it would be interesting.
Man how much you twist things... I've only seen this on jehova's Witnesses. Are you one? If so - excellent training.
Don't blame yourself that you only understand a certain amount, and that there are some things that you cannot calculate. With practice and the right brain nutrition, you can actually learn to understand more.
Be that as it may, you are probably very good in other areas of life.
You know, there was indeed once a time when I thought about learning everything I can about God so I can show people that religion is a mistake. But since I've grown and decided there are better things to do with my time. Like literally anything else.
Oh come on. Admit it. You simply found out that God is real, and don't want to admit it to yourself, and are having a difficult time lying to people.
Man how much you twist things... I've only seen this on jehova's Witnesses. Are you one? If so - excellent training.
Don't blame yourself that you only understand a certain amount, and that there are some things that you cannot calculate. With practice and the right brain nutrition, you can actually learn to understand more.
Be that as it may, you are probably very good in other areas of life.
You know, there was indeed once a time when I thought about learning everything I can about God so I can show people that religion is a mistake. But since I've grown and decided there are better things to do with my time. Like literally anything else.
Man how much you twist things... I've only seen this on jehova's Witnesses. Are you one? If so - excellent training.
Don't blame yourself that you only understand a certain amount, and that there are some things that you cannot calculate. With practice and the right brain nutrition, you can actually learn to understand more.
Be that as it may, you are probably very good in other areas of life.
Man how much you twist things... I've only seen this on jehova's Witnesses. Are you one? If so - excellent training.
Well, what's wrong with that? If a theory is a law, it is a law. If it is not a law, it is not a law. The reason a theory is a theory is that we don't know and haven't been able to figure out if it is a law or not.
Sometime we might figure it out. After we figure it out, we will either drop a theory from theory status, or elevate it to law status. It's simple as that. This is the way it has always been done. It's really the only way that makes sense... if you want to live truthfully, that is.
Problem is you call a law something that has never been proven to be one and that you call theories things that have been proven.
A law is something that exists as a fact. Law doesn't have anything to do with what people think, or what they think they have proven, or what they observe, or what they dream about on their beds at night... or what they theorize.
Theory is something that honest people construct in their absence of knowledge about whether or not something is law. They construct their theory with the hope that it will help them determine whether something is a law or not.
If their theory helps them to prove that a particular thing theorized about is a law, then that thing was always a law. The theory didn't make it a law. The thing that was theorized about was always the law.
If their theory helps them prove that a particular thing theorized about is not a law, then the theory is dropped, or the theory is modified so that they can keep on attempting to prove it.
In this sense, a theory might be a law, or it might not be a law... from the viewpoint of those who observe the theory. Perhaps they will be able to determine one way or the other someday. Until then, it will always be a theory to them, even if it is a law or not.
Well, what's wrong with that? If a theory is a law, it is a law. If it is not a law, it is not a law. The reason a theory is a theory is that we don't know and haven't been able to figure out if it is a law or not.
Sometime we might figure it out. After we figure it out, we will either drop a theory from theory status, or elevate it to law status. It's simple as that. This is the way it has always been done. It's really the only way that makes sense... if you want to live truthfully, that is.
Problem is you call a law something that has never been proven to be one and that you call theories things that have been proven.
Now you are just trolling...
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
Your response is the example of a troll's response. Why? All you do is say that I am trolling, but you don't give a logical explanation of of why something I say is trolling.
The real proof that yo are the troll is, I show you the proof that God exists, and you can't show where I am scientifically wrong in the proof. All that is left for you is to troll, since you don't like the "God" idea, but can't refute it.
I gave a logical response... you keep denying reality... you keep saying that a scientific theory is just a guess, and not based in fact... which is a false statement
I provided links to sources the first dozen times I refuted your claim... shall we go for #13?
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theory
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't. The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
However, regarding some theories, scientists DO prove that they are laws, at which point they declare that they are laws. They prove other theories to not be law, at which point those theories are dropped from even being theories, or they are modified to the point where they again become questionable, both positively and negatively.
Thus, a theory is a tool. A law can be a tool as well, like the three laws that I have used to prove that God exists.
I rather hope that few Christians figure out that God exists by looking at the three laws that prove His existence. Why? Because their faith in the things that God says is strengthened more by believing the witnesses in the Bible.
If you don't have faith in what God says, you insult Him by calling Him a liar. You endanger yourself when you do this. He just might lock you into your unbelief, thereby locking you out of Heaven
Yeah but the problem is that you're calling theories laws and laws theories buddy...
Well, what's wrong with that? If a theory is a law, it is a law. If it is not a law, it is not a law. The reason a theory is a theory is that we don't know and haven't been able to figure out if it is a law or not.
Sometime we might figure it out. After we figure it out, we will either drop a theory from theory status, or elevate it to law status. It's simple as that. This is the way it has always been done. It's really the only way that makes sense... if you want to live truthfully, that is.
Now you are just trolling...
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
Your response is the example of a troll's response. Why? All you do is say that I am trolling, but you don't give a logical explanation of of why something I say is trolling.
The real proof that yo are the troll is, I show you the proof that God exists, and you can't show where I am scientifically wrong in the proof. All that is left for you is to troll, since you don't like the "God" idea, but can't refute it.
I gave a logical response... you keep denying reality... you keep saying that a scientific theory is just a guess, and not based in fact... which is a false statement
I provided links to sources the first dozen times I refuted your claim... shall we go for #13?
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theory
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't. The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
However, regarding some theories, scientists DO prove that they are laws, at which point they declare that they are laws. They prove other theories to not be law, at which point those theories are dropped from even being theories, or they are modified to the point where they again become questionable, both positively and negatively.
Thus, a theory is a tool. A law can be a tool as well, like the three laws that I have used to prove that God exists.
I rather hope that few Christians figure out that God exists by looking at the three laws that prove His existence. Why? Because their faith in the things that God says is strengthened more by believing the witnesses in the Bible.
If you don't have faith in what God says, you insult Him by calling Him a liar. You endanger yourself when you do this. He just might lock you into your unbelief, thereby locking you out of Heaven
Yeah but the problem is that you're calling theories laws and laws theories buddy...
Now you are just trolling...
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
We've been over this theory vs hypothesis = fact vs guess a dozen times already... if you don't understand it, you never will
Your response is the example of a troll's response. Why? All you do is say that I am trolling, but you don't give a logical explanation of of why something I say is trolling.
The real proof that yo are the troll is, I show you the proof that God exists, and you can't show where I am scientifically wrong in the proof. All that is left for you is to troll, since you don't like the "God" idea, but can't refute it.
I gave a logical response... you keep denying reality... you keep saying that a scientific theory is just a guess, and not based in fact... which is a false statement
I provided links to sources the first dozen times I refuted your claim... shall we go for #13?
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theory
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are different categories of confirmed hypothesis...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Stop trying to teach him science. He can't science. He doesn't really want to science.
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noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't.
Correct, a dog is always a dog, and never a cat
The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
Incorrect... A theory does not become a law... for the same reason that a dog does not become a cat
That's why a theory does not become law. It either is law already or it is not. Theory means that we simply haven't figured it out yet.
For example. An abstract form of evolution theory might suggest that some ancient form of dog could evolve into a cat, or that some ancient form of cat could evolve into a dog. Theoretically speaking, we don't know if this could happen or not. But as you have been saying, a dog is always a dog. It never becomes a cat. Law trumps theory.
Wrong again...
Theory means we have figured it out... hypothesis means we have not figured it out...
It starts as a hypothesis, and once it is confirmed as fact, becomes a theory
You are also wrong about evolution... no dog has ever or will ever evolve into a cat... it won't happen
For the same reason that no human has evolved from a chimp... this is another common Christian misconception... humans and chimps share a common ancestor, which was neither human nor chimp
First, you are wrong about theory. It's in the dictionary definitions I provided earlier. Also, "hypothesis" is a synonym for theory. Check the definitions.
Now you are just arguing in circles...
I already refuted your claim about your dictionary definition in the text you quoted! (for the 15th time, and counting)
Yes, we all understand words can have multiple meanings... but theory has only a single definition when used in a scientific context (times explained to you = 16)
Same as faggot can mean multiple things... If someone is throwing a faggot on the fire, I assume it is a faggot of wood, not a homosexual (or perhaps a cigarette butt if the person is from the UK)... context is important!
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noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't.
Correct, a dog is always a dog, and never a cat
The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
Incorrect... A theory does not become a law... for the same reason that a dog does not become a cat
That's why a theory does not become law. It either is law already or it is not. Theory means that we simply haven't figured it out yet.
For example. An abstract form of evolution theory might suggest that some ancient form of dog could evolve into a cat, or that some ancient form of cat could evolve into a dog. Theoretically speaking, we don't know if this could happen or not. But as you have been saying, a dog is always a dog. It never becomes a cat. Law trumps theory.
Wrong again...
Theory means we have figured it out... hypothesis means we have not figured it out...
It starts as a hypothesis, and once it is confirmed as fact, becomes a theory
You are also wrong about evolution... no dog has ever or will ever evolve into a cat... it won't happen
For the same reason that no human has evolved from a chimp... this is another common Christian misconception... humans and chimps share a common ancestor, which was neither human nor chimp
First, you are wrong about theory. It's in the dictionary definitions I provided earlier. Also, "hypothesis" is a synonym for theory. Check the definitions.
As far as a dog or cat evolving into one or another, that is what the whole theory of evolution is about, except that it is not so dog cat specific.
The point is, in the theory of evolution, something evolved from something else. Either you can theorize that a cog could evolve from a cat, or the whole theory fails.
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noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't.
Correct, a dog is always a dog, and never a cat
The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
Incorrect... A theory does not become a law... for the same reason that a dog does not become a cat
That's why a theory does not become law. It either is law already or it is not. Theory means that we simply haven't figured it out yet.
For example. An abstract form of evolution theory might suggest that some ancient form of dog could evolve into a cat, or that some ancient form of cat could evolve into a dog. Theoretically speaking, we don't know if this could happen or not. But as you have been saying, a dog is always a dog. It never becomes a cat. Law trumps theory.
Wrong again...
Theory means we have figured it out... hypothesis means we have not figured it out...
It starts as a hypothesis, and once it is confirmed as fact, becomes a theory
You are also wrong about evolution... no dog has ever or will ever evolve into a cat... it won't happen
For the same reason that no human has evolved from a chimp... this is another common Christian misconception... humans and chimps share a common ancestor, which was neither human nor chimp
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noun, plural theories.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
...
Notice the word "propositions" in #1.
Did you notice the words, coherent, tested and correct?
What about the synonyms, principle, law, doctrine?
Theory might be law. It is not known to be law, except that it matches the law of what a theory is.
Law is always law, never theory.
No questionability in law. But theory is always questionable.
Perhaps some day you will understand...
Theory and law are 2 different categories of things...
A hypothesis becomes a law when it is proven via mathematics
A hypothesis becomes a theory when it is confirmed via induction, makes accurate predictions of future events, withstands peer review, and is accepted by the scientific community as fact, truth, and an accurate representation of reality
A law can never become a theory and a theory can never become a law...
You are saying the equivalent of, "When this cat gets older it becomes a dog"
Correct. A theory can never become a law. It either is a law or it isn't.
Correct, a dog is always a dog, and never a cat
The fact that it is a theory shows that scientists don't know for a fact whether or not it is a law.
Incorrect... A theory does not become a law... for the same reason that a dog does not become a cat
That's why a theory does not become law. It either is law already or it is not. Theory means that we simply haven't figured it out yet.
For example. An abstract form of evolution theory might suggest that some ancient form of dog could evolve into a cat, or that some ancient form of cat could evolve into a dog. Theoretically speaking, we don't know if this could happen or not. But as you have been saying, a dog is always a dog. It never becomes a cat. Law trumps theory.
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