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legendary
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February 12, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
i dont know,i am not atheis,and i never meet people who dont admit that god was exist,and i never meet people who dont have religion or hate religion,we all life on peace world,must be have one decision and rules.

Much easier for governments and slave makers to control us this way.    Cool
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February 12, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
i dont know,i am not atheis,and i never meet people who dont admit that god was exist,and i never meet people who dont have religion or hate religion,we all life on peace world,must be have one decision and rules.
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February 12, 2016, 05:55:28 AM

Quite the opposite. I am well aware of how some scientists have twisted the word "theory" to suggest that if the theory is strong enough, it is truth, even when it is not known to be truth.

However, the laws still remain laws. This means that science proves that God exists. I don't prove that God exists. The scientific laws do.

Cool

The laws are not laws...
You talk about laws but they're not proven, they' just haven't been proven wrong that's all...
sr. member
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February 12, 2016, 05:12:24 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory

Okay. I don't work with quantum theory. And I don't want to get into it. But Brian Cox is accepted worldwide. So probably, if you carry what Max Planck was doing to its limit, you would wind up with what Brian Cox is saying.

Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something.

Science theory is based on probability. Quantum theory is, therefore, the theory of theories. Probability fits this description to a tee.

Smiley

Ahahah xD

I think you'll kill us of frustration xD
Brian Cox had 60 seconds in your video and COULD NOT separate the theory and the application. He didn't talk about the quantum theory but about what we're using it for, which is different.

"Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something."
Notice how it's the same thing for everything else.
You're talking about laws but you're the only one.
The worldwide scientific community is talking about entropy theory, not entropy law!

Scientists separate the theory (the whole explanation) and the law (precise part of the explanation) because one theory is most of the time composed of many laws! That's absolutely not hos you use the word law.

In the case of quantum, when you get down to the tiniest of tiny, there is no separation of theory and application. In fact, that is the whole idea of quantum.

In the scheme of things, a scientific law might be found to be false. The fact of the law is that many people have found it to be true in many ways, but nobody has found it to be false.

Theory, on the other hand, fits all the other possibilities that are outside of law.

For example, cause and effect/action and reaction is law because it exists in everything that everyone works with and understands. Science might come up with a theory that suggests that cause and effect is wrong, but if they do, it is complicated enough that nobody can say for certain that it can not be contradicted. So, it remains theory. and the law remains law.

All this is simply you and me talking about stuff. Cause and effect, at least in the form that Newton expressed it in his 3rd Law, has never been contradicted successfully. And you certainly aren't going to tell me that the universe is not complex. And at its base and core, entropy simply explained is the dispersal and diffusing of all complexity into its simplest form throughout all space and time.

Combining these proves the existence of God.

Smiley

Hey, you wanna talk about cause and consequences?

Well if quantum physics is not true, then cause and consequences is not true either!

You're just too dumb to understand physics guy.
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 04:53:29 AM
...This means that science proves that God exists. I don't prove that God exists. The scientific laws do.

Why don't you post a link to your source for science proving that God exists?

When I google, "theory of God", I see no such result... I only find articles contradicting your statement, like:
http://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-makes-it-clear-there-is-no-god/
Quote
Hawking now explained: "What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn't. I'm an atheist."

He added: "Religion believes in miracles, but these aren't compatible with science."

If that's the only way you do your research, you might as well forget it and go to bed or something.

Cool
hero member
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February 12, 2016, 04:49:33 AM
...This means that science proves that God exists. I don't prove that God exists. The scientific laws do.

Why don't you post a link to your source for science proving that God exists?

When I google, "theory of God", I see no such result... I only find articles contradicting your statement, like:
http://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-makes-it-clear-there-is-no-god/
Quote
Hawking now explained: "What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn't. I'm an atheist."

He added: "Religion believes in miracles, but these aren't compatible with science."
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 04:43:22 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory

Okay. I don't work with quantum theory. And I don't want to get into it. But Brian Cox is accepted worldwide. So probably, if you carry what Max Planck was doing to its limit, you would wind up with what Brian Cox is saying.

Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something.

Science theory is based on probability. Quantum theory is, therefore, the theory of theories. Probability fits this description to a tee.

Smiley

Ahahah xD

I think you'll kill us of frustration xD
Brian Cox had 60 seconds in your video and COULD NOT separate the theory and the application. He didn't talk about the quantum theory but about what we're using it for, which is different.

"Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something."
Notice how it's the same thing for everything else.
You're talking about laws but you're the only one.
The worldwide scientific community is talking about entropy theory, not entropy law!

Scientists separate the theory (the whole explanation) and the law (precise part of the explanation) because one theory is most of the time composed of many laws! That's absolutely not hos you use the word law.

In the case of quantum, when you get down to the tiniest of tiny, there is no separation of theory and application. In fact, that is the whole idea of quantum.

In the scheme of things, a scientific law might be found to be false. The fact of the law is that many people have found it to be true in many ways, but nobody has found it to be false.

Theory, on the other hand, fits all the other possibilities that are outside of law.

For example, cause and effect/action and reaction is law because it exists in everything that everyone works with and understands. Science might come up with a theory that suggests that cause and effect is wrong, but if they do, it is complicated enough that nobody can say for certain that it can not be contradicted. So, it remains theory. and the law remains law.

All this is simply you and me talking about stuff. Cause and effect, at least in the form that Newton expressed it in his 3rd Law, has never been contradicted successfully. And you certainly aren't going to tell me that the universe is not complex. And at its base and core, entropy simply explained is the dispersal and diffusing of all complexity into its simplest form throughout all space and time.

Combining these proves the existence of God.

Smiley

If the theory is too complicated for you it does not mean that is not valid.  It just means that you don't understand it.

I think the biggest issue you have is with the word theory.  You don't understand how scientific theories are established and what they mean.  Theory is not the same as story.


Quite the opposite. I am well aware of how some scientists have twisted the word "theory" to suggest that if the theory is strong enough, it is truth, even when it is not known to be truth.

However, the laws still remain laws. This means that science proves that God exists. I don't prove that God exists. The scientific laws do.

Cool
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 04:25:19 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory

Okay. I don't work with quantum theory. And I don't want to get into it. But Brian Cox is accepted worldwide. So probably, if you carry what Max Planck was doing to its limit, you would wind up with what Brian Cox is saying.

Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something.

Science theory is based on probability. Quantum theory is, therefore, the theory of theories. Probability fits this description to a tee.

Smiley

Ahahah xD

I think you'll kill us of frustration xD
Brian Cox had 60 seconds in your video and COULD NOT separate the theory and the application. He didn't talk about the quantum theory but about what we're using it for, which is different.

"Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something."
Notice how it's the same thing for everything else.
You're talking about laws but you're the only one.
The worldwide scientific community is talking about entropy theory, not entropy law!

Scientists separate the theory (the whole explanation) and the law (precise part of the explanation) because one theory is most of the time composed of many laws! That's absolutely not hos you use the word law.

In the case of quantum, when you get down to the tiniest of tiny, there is no separation of theory and application. In fact, that is the whole idea of quantum.

In the scheme of things, a scientific law might be found to be false. The fact of the law is that many people have found it to be true in many ways, but nobody has found it to be false.

Theory, on the other hand, fits all the other possibilities that are outside of law.

For example, cause and effect/action and reaction is law because it exists in everything that everyone works with and understands. Science might come up with a theory that suggests that cause and effect is wrong, but if they do, it is complicated enough that nobody can say for certain that it can not be contradicted. So, it remains theory. and the law remains law.

All this is simply you and me talking about stuff. Cause and effect, at least in the form that Newton expressed it in his 3rd Law, has never been contradicted successfully. And you certainly aren't going to tell me that the universe is not complex. And at its base and core, entropy simply explained is the dispersal and diffusing of all complexity into its simplest form throughout all space and time.

Combining these proves the existence of God.

Smiley
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 04:11:24 AM
... And what will happen once the universe reach final entropy which means everything is equal?

My guess is BADecker thinks Jesus and Moses will drop down from heaven and Mohammed will fly down on his white horse and the three will do the Armageddon thing.
My money is Mohammed.  He will chop Moses head off in no time and make Jesus his bitch.

The two will live happily forever, fucking each other five times a day (in the direction of Mecca of course).

Long before entropy will have come close to being complete, Jesus will come with His Heavenly Hosts, send the devil and Mohammad to Hell, and you along with them if you will not turn and accept Jesus as your Savior.

Smiley

See I was right.  I can read his tiny brain like an open book.

What is really amazing is that somebody as intelligent as you can be so right about me and so wrong about God.

Smiley

Again, you are assuming that I'm wrong about God. 

I fail to see any scientific (or any other) evidence of any God. 

One of us is right.  The other, well, is delusional.





No need of proof. He just give 3 "laws" of physics while ignoring the other hundreds of them then give it to you as a proof.

Same thing as flat earth believers ^^

The other hundreds mostly don't apply. The few that do, also confirm the existence of God.

Some of you jokers just don't like reality. Why not?

Smiley
sr. member
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February 12, 2016, 04:09:51 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory

Okay. I don't work with quantum theory. And I don't want to get into it. But Brian Cox is accepted worldwide. So probably, if you carry what Max Planck was doing to its limit, you would wind up with what Brian Cox is saying.

Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something.

Science theory is based on probability. Quantum theory is, therefore, the theory of theories. Probability fits this description to a tee.

Smiley

Ahahah xD

I think you'll kill us of frustration xD
Brian Cox had 60 seconds in your video and COULD NOT separate the theory and the application. He didn't talk about the quantum theory but about what we're using it for, which is different.

"Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something."
Notice how it's the same thing for everything else.
You're talking about laws but you're the only one.
The worldwide scientific community is talking about entropy theory, not entropy law!

Scientists separate the theory (the whole explanation) and the law (precise part of the explanation) because one theory is most of the time composed of many laws! That's absolutely not hos you use the word law.
sr. member
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February 12, 2016, 04:06:33 AM
... And what will happen once the universe reach final entropy which means everything is equal?

My guess is BADecker thinks Jesus and Moses will drop down from heaven and Mohammed will fly down on his white horse and the three will do the Armageddon thing.
My money is Mohammed.  He will chop Moses head off in no time and make Jesus his bitch.

The two will live happily forever, fucking each other five times a day (in the direction of Mecca of course).

Long before entropy will have come close to being complete, Jesus will come with His Heavenly Hosts, send the devil and Mohammad to Hell, and you along with them if you will not turn and accept Jesus as your Savior.

Smiley

See I was right.  I can read his tiny brain like an open book.

What is really amazing is that somebody as intelligent as you can be so right about me and so wrong about God.

Smiley

Again, you are assuming that I'm wrong about God. 

I fail to see any scientific (or any other) evidence of any God. 

One of us is right.  The other, well, is delusional.





No need of proof. He just give 3 "laws" of physics while ignoring the other hundreds of them then give it to you as a proof.

Same thing as flat earth believers ^^
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 04:05:42 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory

Okay. I don't work with quantum theory. And I don't want to get into it. But Brian Cox is accepted worldwide. So probably, if you carry what Max Planck was doing to its limit, you would wind up with what Brian Cox is saying.

Notice one thing about this whole quantum area. It is right in the site address you listed above. It is quantum THEORY. When you have one science theory trying to prove another science theory, you are writing a science fiction story. If either of them happened to be a law of science, then you might have something.

Science theory is based on probability. Quantum theory is, therefore, the theory of theories. Probability fits this description to a tee.

Smiley
hero member
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February 12, 2016, 03:49:59 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool

Yeah sure listen to the 60 seconds of Brian Cox where he can explain correctly for sure!!!
Here is an article summing up the thing correctly. And please next time you try to get a point give a REAL proof, not the only time where a scientist had so little time (60 seconds IS short) he couldn't make the distinction between the theory and the application.

"In 1900, physicist Max Planck presented his quantum theory to the German Physical Society. Planck had sought to discover the reason that radiation from a glowing body changes in color from red, to orange, and, finally, to blue as its temperature rises. He found that by making the assumption that energy existed in individual units in the same way that matter does, rather than just as a constant electromagnetic wave - as had been formerly assumed - and was therefore quantifiable, he could find the answer to his question. The existence of these units became the first assumption of quantum theory."

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/quantum-theory
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 03:37:58 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???

I am not trying to be irritating or to upset you in any way.

The fact that quantum is probability is not my idea. It is the idea of scientists that work with quantum. However, tiny is what quantum is all about. And your explanation of tiny becoming probability is probably correct, except where you say that it is impossible. In fact, this is exactly what quantum is all about... tininess that gets so small that all that is left of it is probability.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to Brian Cox .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.



Cool
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February 12, 2016, 03:26:42 AM

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley

DAMN YOU'RE SO IRRITATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last fucking time: Quantum theory is NOT probabilities!
It's a very precise and simple explanation of how the world works!!!

From THIS explanation, we can conclude that any observation on a very tiny little part of our universe (nanoscale) is IMPOSSIBLE because when it gets too small the only thing you can get are probabilities!

Can't you see the difference???
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 03:20:32 AM

Yes I agree.  God exists.

In your head.

This makes me very happy.

Now that you understand that God exists, please start formulating some theories that we can use to prove some of His attributes.

Smiley

I will, as soon as you learn how to read and not skip the critical points.

I know, I know. Since you don't even know how to attempt to disprove scientific points and laws scientifically, how could I really expect you to formulate any scientific theories? Silly me. But, of course, I was just teasing.

However, nice to know that you finally understand that God exists, scientifically.

Cool

You're talking about science?
You consider the best and most precise theory in the history of mankind as a lesser theory that theories of gravity which were proven wrong already (by wrong I mean not perfectly and exactly right)

I don't necessarily agree with what you are saying that I consider. I really don't want to get into even talking about the strength of this or that theory. The thing that I am really saying is that science law proves God exists.

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February 12, 2016, 03:16:27 AM
Nicely stated. Very good! Now see if you replace The Big Bang Theory (which is also a great show btw) with God and see how the pieces fall exactly the same way.

Scientific laws that, when combined, are proof for the existence of God:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal entropy.

Smiley

Again we're coming back to that...
How are those three laws proven for you?
Why those particular aspects of science seem true for you?

Because those laws are proven with less precision than quantum physics right now...

These three laws are and have been proven for me just like they have for you. They are proven by science. And the fact that they have been proven is that they are called laws, not theories.

Quantum anything is theory. This means that it has not been proven. This means that it is not law.

Google it.

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That's where you're wrong.

Those laws you're talking about are proven by experiment. The precision of those experiment are roughly at the 14th decimal.
The experiment proving the quantum theory are precise and proving it at something like the 21th decimal. So quantum theory, or quantum law, is proven better than the others!

Checkmate.

There is a whole little section that you are missing in this. Quantum, being probability, is always only probability. Probability can be very precise, depending on how much probability a scientist wants to put into it. The interesting thing about probability is, you can prove anything with quantum.

Let's say that you set out to use quantum to prove that evolution is true. You could do it. At the same time, let's say that the scientist in the next room set out to prove that evolution could never happen because of cause and effect. He could do it as well.

Quantum can prove anything, even very precisely. Quantum can even be used to prove the likelihood of evolution to be higher or lower, depending on the way the scientists uses quantum. At the same time, the scientist next door can use quantum to prove various levels of evolution improbability.

Essentially, quantum gives a scientist direction for testing his ideas and theories, and the encouragement to not give up until he has proven that his ideas are true or false... proven through other methods than quantum/probability, since probability alone proves nothing.

Smiley
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February 12, 2016, 03:12:37 AM

Yes I agree.  God exists.

In your head.

This makes me very happy.

Now that you understand that God exists, please start formulating some theories that we can use to prove some of His attributes.

Smiley

I will, as soon as you learn how to read and not skip the critical points.

I know, I know. Since you don't even know how to attempt to disprove scientific points and laws scientifically, how could I really expect you to formulate any scientific theories? Silly me. But, of course, I was just teasing.

However, nice to know that you finally understand that God exists, scientifically.

Cool

You're talking about science?
You consider the best and most precise theory in the history of mankind as a lesser theory that theories of gravity which were proven wrong already (by wrong I mean not perfectly and exactly right)
legendary
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February 12, 2016, 03:02:54 AM

Yes I agree.  God exists.

In your head.

This makes me very happy.

Now that you understand that God exists, please start formulating some theories that we can use to prove some of His attributes.

Smiley

I will, as soon as you learn how to read and not skip the critical points.

I know, I know. Since you don't even know how to attempt to disprove scientific points and laws scientifically, how could I really expect you to formulate any scientific theories? Silly me. But, of course, I was just teasing.

However, nice to know that you finally understand that God exists, scientifically.

Cool
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February 12, 2016, 03:02:37 AM
Nicely stated. Very good! Now see if you replace The Big Bang Theory (which is also a great show btw) with God and see how the pieces fall exactly the same way.

Scientific laws that, when combined, are proof for the existence of God:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal entropy.

Smiley

Again we're coming back to that...
How are those three laws proven for you?
Why those particular aspects of science seem true for you?

Because those laws are proven with less precision than quantum physics right now...

These three laws are and have been proven for me just like they have for you. They are proven by science. And the fact that they have been proven is that they are called laws, not theories.

Quantum anything is theory. This means that it has not been proven. This means that it is not law.

Google it.

Smiley

That's where you're wrong.

Those laws you're talking about are proven by experiment. The precision of those experiment are roughly at the 14th decimal.
The experiment proving the quantum theory are precise and proving it at something like the 21th decimal. So quantum theory, or quantum law, is proven better than the others!

Checkmate.
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