Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 210. (Read 901343 times)

Well they're called laws.

And if they didn't "bother with theories" as you're saying you wouldn't be there, there wouldn't be internet, neither PC or anything like that...

Well, think about it. For everyone, gravity is a real thing. The folks on the ISS know about it, but they aren't experiencing much of it on board.

Theories of gravity don't bother anyone except the scientists. The reason that scientists have the theories is that they are trying to find out more details about gravity than the simple fact that it works.Theories are real theories, but they are not reality. If they were reality, they would be called laws, not theories.

Damn what you're saying has no sense dude...

So for you gravity is real but gravity theory is just a theory we shouldn't consider as a fact? Same for thermodynamics and biological evolution?

Quantum physics is real probability. Quantum physics theory is real theory. Quantum physics is not quantum physics theory.

So quantum physics is not real because?....

The mirror is real, even though the only thing you see when you look in it, is yourself.

So something is real if you're able to see it?

The law of gravity is real. Do you remember the story of the apple falling of the tree and hitting Newton in the head? Go look it up. Gravity is universal law.

Gravity Theory has to do with the things in nature that make gravity work. They are theory because nobody has formally proven what they are.

As Brian Cox said, Quantum Physics is probability. Quantum Physics Theory is how and why QP works, etc.

What is so hard about this?

But how can't you understand something like that?
Quantum Physics is not more a theory than gravity or and functioning or any other kind of science!

In fact Quantum Physics is the most proven part of the whole science!!! We managed to do experiments that confirmed the Quantum Physics theory until the 23th decimals! It's the best result we ever had, no other part of science with more precision!

If you call quantum physics a theory, then every part of science is a theory and there can be no scientific fact.

Quantum Physics Theory is not fact, simply because it is theory. Thus, the best that it might be is probability. Are you trying to tell me that it is not even probability?

Well, I wouldn't go that far. They are simply people who want their own control in life. And ignoring the fact that God exists seems to give them the freedom of more control. If they could only prove it somehow, that God doesn't exist, they just might be able to take over control of cause and effect. So far, they haven't found any other control than God. But they are working at it as hard as they can.

Thanks for the link. Now you see this has nothing to do with our subject. Probabilities of placement of particle is the CONSEQUENCE of quantum physics theory.

Which means quantum physics IS NOT probabilities. It's a very simple and proven true theory. But the CONSEQUENCE of this theory is that you can consider particles (one by one so at a nano scale) and you will not be able to define them with 100% certainty which means you will only get probabilities of result!

It's really different from saying quantum physics is just a question of probabilities. It means if you apply the quantum physics theory to very small parts of our universe (such as isolated particles) it will give you probabilities results. That's all.

Yeah! God created science!!! And the scientists are just stupid morons not even able to see the truth that God is everywhere and that their work is useless as everything is undoubtibly proving the existence of God!!!

"Quantum Mechanics explained in 60 seconds by Brian Cox - BBC News" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo.

You told me? Whoopie dee. God made science.


That's your choice, not necessarily mine.

However, we are still going to die. And you might find out that you like tending goats.


Rather, it is you and some other jokers who are fighting against God in the only ways you know how who are misinterpreting the things He says.



The scientists are insulting themselves and their families more than I could ever think of doing (even if I wanted to) by ignoring the simple standard science that proves that God exists.

Hmm... Nooooooooooo...
Seems like nobody explained you what quantum physic is ^^

Ok I'll try to explain physics to you:
Quantum physics comes from the notion of quanta, which means that energy can only spreads in amounts proportional to a constant value.

What does that mean?
Well nothing incredible. It just explains everything that happens in very small size (nanosize).

Nothing more. There is no question of probability here. I don't know what you're talking about dude. Seems you never made any kind of quantum physics.

Science investigates. Then scientists decide what they are going to believe. Do you know who else accepts God's laws? Everybody who lives on the earth, because all natural laws are God's laws.


I recommend that you get off your medication, so that the haze lifts, and you can see that the laws of God are the things that you are living by.



Now you are denying science. God is all around us, if not in person, than in the cause and effect He set into operation.

Stop being so dense, and wake up to scientific truth. God exists.

When you look into it in depth, you will find that quantum mechanics is simply complex probability.


When you get down to the basics of it, you will find that science theory is often composed of science facts that are combined in a new way. Thus, a theory can have facts in it. But the way that they are combined is the theory part in the standard meaning of the word "theory." Just because some facts are combined to form something that somebody thinks might be true, doesn't necessarily mean that the thing absolutely is true.

If science theory were not theory in the general sense of the word, it would be called fact or law rather than theory.


When a theory is validated, if it has not become fact or law, it is simply validated as a theory. There are many ideas that have been proposed as theories, but peer reviewed that they could not stand up as theory.


Again, this is because quantum this or that is only complex probability. Being probability means that it does not necesarily exist factually.


Nobody knows for a fact that space/time fabric bends, or even that there is a space/time fabric. Space/time fabric is based on theory. Theory is not fact or law. At best, it is a possibility.

Regarding the orbit of a planet around the sun, popular cosmology has not taken into account the electric plasmas that flow throughout the universe. Electrical force is way stronger than gravitational force. This has been proven by science, and is considered to be standard fact... that electrical force is much stronger than gravitational force. See http://electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm.


I completely agree. However, for something to be declared a scientific law, it must be overwhelmingly validated in some great way. That's why Newtonian laws are still laws, and most of the great theories are still theories.


This is exactly what is happening. Here's how you can know it is happening.

Science wants to believe in theories which are not law, rather than accept law until it is proven to be less than law.

You don't cross a busy street, because you believe in all the physical laws regarding what will happen to you when you are hit by the traffic. Why won't you accept the laws of physics, but would rather trade them for things that are not laws?



Quantum Mechanics is quite the opposite of God. God deals in reality. QM is simply probability.

Nah.

You contradict yourself. You essentially said that you know what you think it is. But that you don't know what it is.

Nah.

We know exactly what gravity is. Distorsion of time and space through masses.

We might be wrong of course, but we know what it is.