Hello fellow scientist! I don't think science and "never" can coexist together.
In time science will explain everything. I wonder when religious nuts will give up their misleading notions and accept reality.
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Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.
And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain!
Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!
Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.
And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain!
Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?
Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred
"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?
Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.
"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"
If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?
Oh! I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to explain I can't prove that the Bible is right and that Jesus is the son of god and all that no?
Well don't waste your time, of course I can't xD
Again it's only a question of faith, and that's why atheists have every right to be so. If you don't have faith then you might consider all of this is just crazy shit. But if you have had the chance to find the Lord, then you KNOW that it's right ^^
But i'm not judging you or trying to convince you. i wouldn't even try to prove God exists, that would be ridiculous. If there was such a proof, there would be no faith.
And that should be proof enough that religion is flawed and not true.
They only ask us to have faith. Because if they had proof faith would have been obsolete.
Well believing is all about faith. And I don't see how it can be bad to have faith ^^
I hope one day you will have faith to deny gods existence so you will be saved from his internal torture.
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!
But... I feel no torture! I'm happy to have faith in the Lord, why would I wish to stop having faith? It doesn't hurt me or anyone, on the contrary it helps me to live a better life! Why would I want to get rid of my faith?
We live in the real world, not in a fantasy one. Science is real, and can be touched. No one's ever seen God, but I see science making this world better everyday. As it has been told here countless times (BadDecker please don't try to count), it's just common sense.
And again science and religion are not opposed, they complete each other. Religion is the answer to what science can't and will never be able to explain
We live in the real world, not in a fantasy one. Science is real, and can be touched. No one's ever seen God, but I see science making this world better everyday. As it has been told here countless times (BadDecker please don't try to count), it's just common sense.
I hope one day you will have faith to deny gods existence so you will be saved from his internal torture.
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?
Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred
"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?
Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.
"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"
If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?
Oh! I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to explain I can't prove that the Bible is right and that Jesus is the son of god and all that no?
Well don't waste your time, of course I can't xD
Again it's only a question of faith, and that's why atheists have every right to be so. If you don't have faith then you might consider all of this is just crazy shit. But if you have had the chance to find the Lord, then you KNOW that it's right ^^
But i'm not judging you or trying to convince you. i wouldn't even try to prove God exists, that would be ridiculous. If there was such a proof, there would be no faith.
And that should be proof enough that religion is flawed and not true.
They only ask us to have faith. Because if they had proof faith would have been obsolete.
What I am saying isn't that I believe the bible or not. It's just that some things make sense: like not killing people. This is a single example, that should be valid for believers and non believers as well. Christians or not.
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?
Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred
"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?
Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.
"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"
If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?
Oh! I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to explain I can't prove that the Bible is right and that Jesus is the son of god and all that no?
Well don't waste your time, of course I can't xD
Again it's only a question of faith, and that's why atheists have every right to be so. If you don't have faith then you might consider all of this is just crazy shit. But if you have had the chance to find the Lord, then you KNOW that it's right ^^
But i'm not judging you or trying to convince you. i wouldn't even try to prove God exists, that would be ridiculous. If there was such a proof, there would be no faith.
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?
Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred
"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?
Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.
"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"
If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?
Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred
"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?
Ok. I agree with most of what you say. It's clear that the Bible can't just be the truth.
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
How can you take bibles message "love all and forgive everything" when it says you need to kill people etc?
It doesn't!
It's also a question of which part you consider. The Bible is a generic name but there are many versions of the sacred texts. It depends on the traduction yes, but also on the categories of texts you accept.
For example, the Leviticus is something I don't consider as being part of the Bible. It's just an old law text in fact, it was added to the words of God in order to control the actions of the population.
Jesus never kills anyone, and he's the son of God. His words are the ones important, anything different in the Bible was just added by the Church to enforce their control on the population that's all!
you can have faith in our Lord and still understand that the Bible is a text that was written long time ago and selected by the Catholic church ^^
Yes it does.
http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/online-bible/niv/deuteronomy/13/
http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm
"troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely"
" Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death."
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Did you read me? I think not as I say I don't consider Leveticus to be part of the Bible and you quote it here.
Just read me again. Jesus doesn't say that. He refers only to love and pardon. If the son of God himself says that, why would I care if some old religious men decided to add punishment in the sacred texts centuries ago?
You consider the Bible you have as the one and only right, but the Bible is a collection of multiple books. Most of them have been wrongly written and added by the church to control the population and I don't consider them as sacred and part of God's will.
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?
You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?
An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.
Ok. I agree with most of what you say. It's clear that the Bible can't just be the truth.
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
How can you take bibles message "love all and forgive everything" when it says you need to kill people etc?
It doesn't!
It's also a question of which part you consider. The Bible is a generic name but there are many versions of the sacred texts. It depends on the traduction yes, but also on the categories of texts you accept.
For example, the Leviticus is something I don't consider as being part of the Bible. It's just an old law text in fact, it was added to the words of God in order to control the actions of the population.
Jesus never kills anyone, and he's the son of God. His words are the ones important, anything different in the Bible was just added by the Church to enforce their control on the population that's all!
you can have faith in our Lord and still understand that the Bible is a text that was written long time ago and selected by the Catholic church ^^
Yes it does.
http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/online-bible/niv/deuteronomy/13/
http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm
"troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely"
" Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death."
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Ok. I agree with most of what you say. It's clear that the Bible can't just be the truth.
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
How can you take bibles message "love all and forgive everything" when it says you need to kill people etc?
It doesn't!
It's also a question of which part you consider. The Bible is a generic name but there are many versions of the sacred texts. It depends on the traduction yes, but also on the categories of texts you accept.
For example, the Leviticus is something I don't consider as being part of the Bible. It's just an old law text in fact, it was added to the words of God in order to control the actions of the population.
Jesus never kills anyone, and he's the son of God. His words are the ones important, anything different in the Bible was just added by the Church to enforce their control on the population that's all!
you can have faith in our Lord and still understand that the Bible is a text that was written long time ago and selected by the Catholic church ^^
Ok. I agree with most of what you say. It's clear that the Bible can't just be the truth.
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
How can you take bibles message "love all and forgive everything" when it says you need to kill people etc?
Ok. I agree with most of what you say. It's clear that the Bible can't just be the truth.
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
The Bible is an old book written in ancient times. What's important is not the exact text but the message behind. And the message is really clear: love all and forgive everything.
You can't insult or threaten atheists. In my heart I'm pretty sure that, whatever the Bible says, they will be welcomed and judged as anyone. Not just go to hell because they didn't have the faith. Why would they be punished for not having Him in their heart? They already lived without the comfort of believing in Him! Why would He punish them even in the afterlife???
I think it's all about faith and they're is nothing more personal than faith, so they can't be judged
Dude, I didn't even finished to read but... How can you have the patience to quote and answer to all of this? xD
Gonna start reading ^^'
Gonna start reading ^^'
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