Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 228. (Read 901516 times)

How can I be denying the idea of evolution when I am talking about it? As usual, you are not thinking clearly. The idea of evolution makes for fun thinking and stimulation. Think of all the science fiction stories that would never have existed if the idea of evolution was not around. Besides, it's in the textbooks. I'd have to have been a hermit on mountain all my life to deny the idea.

The term "evolution" has come to mean many things to many people. Some of these might be truth. But many of them are not. Because of this, when you say that evolution has been proven, you are wrong, except that you explain the particular definitions and applications of the term "evolution" where it might happen to be exist factually. Darwin's experiments never came close to proving evolution. Even Darwin, himself, doubted his own work. Read the things that he says.

"Evolution" as a principle where more complex life comes about from less complex life is completely flawed. Such a thing doesn't happen in nature that anybody has been able to find. When a scientist creates evolution under laboratory conditions, it is complex life (the scientist) making less complex material to become more complex material.

The evolution principle that over time one species of creature becomes a different species is completely flawed. There aren't any missing links that can be proven such in the fossil record. People may theorize. People may hope. But in the end, there is no proof.

The evolution principle that inorganic material became life is completely flawed. Not only is there no evidence of such happening, we complex humans can't even make it happen in the laboratory.

So, what is your definition or application that is termed "evolution" that actually works?

So you're denying the idea of evolution?

Well I understand better xD
Evolution is not just a "theory". It has been proven through Darwin's experiments then verified by multiple different scientists. It's through the evolution principles are the base of multiple scientific progresses.

That's special pleading. Either God follows man's laws or does not. If you say that logic can take a break where God is concerned, then one can not have a logical discussion with you about God.


Regardless of how just a nation's laws are, by definition they are what tell us what are "lawful" and "unlawful" killings. If a person is killed by a god unlawfully -- by the laws of the nation in which the killing took place -- then that killing is murder. It doesn't matter who performed it, it is a matter of legal definition not morality.


It doesn't matter if the person God kills has prayed (by voice) or signed (by action) or otherwise requested death or not. Assisted suicide is still illegal in many countries, and in those countries any entity assisting another to suicide is committing a felony, possibly even murder (unlawful killing).


Your statement is not a response to mine. In summary, I wrote:

"In countries with religious law, God cannot break the law and cannot commit murder"

In response you wrote:

"This is wrong, because God will resurrect everyone"

How does that relate to law breaking in countries with religious law?

You can't reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord.

You are talking but your words are empty.


Best regards.

Evolution!?  Now, there's a joke. All the proven things that are called "evolution," can also be demonstrated to be "programming." Presently, there isn't enough evolution fact around that shows how anything could have developed from scratch by evolution. And if somebody DID happen to show an evolution process that had no holes in it, so that it was absolutely possible for something to have come about by evolution, there is STILL no way to prove that this is what really DID happen.

Furthermore, nowhere in the universe have we found anything that is greater being produced by something that is lesser. There is much scientific speculation about this. But it is not seen anywhere. In fact the opposite is the only thing that we see.

Everything has to do with my God... the God of creation.

This has nothing to do with your god.

It's only a question of biology and evolution... You claim your god is behind the evolution process?

Religions, the plague of the 21st century 

and the 20th, and the 19th, and the 18th...

What? You can't see? I'm sorry.

Can you feel? You know, can your fingers feel the keyboard? Or do you dictate and someone else does the typing for you?

If you dictate, you can speak, right? And you probably can hear if you know how to speak, right.

God gave you all of this and maintains it in ways that you don't know how to. And it is the same for everyone else.

What does he do in my daily life? Never seen anything your god did for me... Is he responsible for anything happening in my life?

God can't be left out of any of the picture. The whole operation of people dying is something that happens in the process of God maintaining every little thing in the universe. His maintenance of everything includes giving us death when we ask for it. This isn't the same as simple murder. Things are completely different from the God-standpoint than the man-standpoint.


God's law is to not murder. The laws of nations come about because people are basing their laws on what God has set in place... although often people mess God's perfect laws up when they don't consult Him first.


Quite the contrary. God is maintaining life. It is mankind who has brought death upon himself. However, since God controls everything, it is His doing that exercises mans' request for death, be that request by voice or by action.



Here is where you fail in your thinking. God has prepared a day of resurrection for all people, where He will bring us all back to life. At that time, he will separate the righteous from the unrighteous. The righteous are those who have believed in God for the salvation offered through His Son, Jesus. The unrighteous are those who have not believed God, or have sought salvation by some other method than Jesus even though they might have believed God exists.

You have a chance, now, by reading this writing. Come to faith in Jesus God before you lock yourself into unbelief by dying without faith. after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation.

He made you. He gave you your spirit. He maintains everything so that you can go on living. He maintains your daily life. He offers you salvation to eternal life through faith in His Son Jesus.

Murder is purposely killing a person. Whether or not you own that person is not in the definition - the only important thing is whether or not the murder was "lawful".

If God exists and is omnipotent, or even only omniscient, it will obey no human laws and so if this God kills a person in a way that is not allowed by the laws of a particular nation, it does so unlawfully. It doesn't matter that you think this God's law should have primacy.

Given the above (God exists, God is at least omniscient) then if a person's death results from this God's actions in a way considered unlawful by a given nation, then that God has committed a  murder in that nation.

Interestingly this means that God cannot commit murder in countries that have religious laws since I'm fairly certain they would by definition  exempt their God from any crime.

  

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever 

Too bad the farmer hadn't opened his eyes.   

Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I was once a Christian...

Reminds me of a story:

On my Sunday afternoon bike ride I always pass by this small farm. One week I noticed a big sign by the gate: "Christian puppies for sale." It was still there the next week...

Two weeks later there was a new big sign: "Atheist puppies for sale."

That made me curious, so I turned in and rode up to the farm house. Saw the farmer by the barn, rolled over, and introduced myself. I told him I had seen the "Christian puppies" sign two weeks earlier, and I was wondering what the deal was.

"I got puppies for sale."

"So I gathered. Did you get a new litter this week?"

"Nope. Same puppies"

"So, why were they Christian puppies for the last two weeks, but now they are Atheist puppies?"

"They opened their eyes"

Haven't we just been talking about the illegality of murder? Why do you ask such silly things? Even though my children are mine and my wife's as property, they are God's, as well, because He gives the kids their spirit.

How long will you continue to twist understanding all out of shape?



There God goes again. He hardens your heart. Why? Because you essentially asked Him to, simply by your thinking and actions. You saw where it got Pharaoh. But you keep right on asking for God to do it to you, just like Pharaoh did.

You should feel relieved that God isn't trying to set up a nation of Israel next to you. He just might have to rain some plagues down on you to show His glory to His people Israel. If that happened, you might forget all the many previous chances God gave you, simply because of the pain of the plagues. Rather, God is merciful towards you, calling to you, a lost (almost lost?) child, hoping for your salvation before it is too late for you.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason?  How could you claim that to be moral?


I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances?  NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually murdering the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen, servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his heart...

wtf is that about?  God sounds like a real asshat in this story too...

First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Second, God does not take life away where mankind has not thrown it away already. In fact, it is through Jesus God that mankind has life on earth the second time. The first time mankind threw it away through the sin of Adam and Eve. God forgave them, and granted life to them so that you and I and all the rest of the people can have life.

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

In the Old Testament, when people of nations turned away from God and were destroyed by Israel or God Himself, the idea was to make Israel strong so that Jesus could come at the right time to do His saving work. Without the saving work of Jesus, those nations would have not existed in the first place, would not have had a chance to live, and would not have had the chance to be saved. Their destruction was a thing that they were asking for by their actions against God. He was simply giving them what they asked for, and preparing the Jesus-way so that they could have life in the first place.

The point of all this is the example for you and all people. Are we going to be like the nations God destroyed? Or are we going to be like the people He saves?

Notice that all people, both godly and ungodly, die. The whole idea has to do with the salvation to eternal life. The second thing it has to do with is the avoidance of eternal damnation.

Your chances may not be over yet. You may not be locked into unbelief yet. Turn while you have a chance, before you lock yourself into damnation through your death in this life. Once you die, you have no more chance to be saved, because you have no more ability to turn and believe in Jesus salvation.

Even if you happened to be right regarding your honor, that you would not follow a God who was a murderer. What does it matter? You are still stupidly clinging to your eternal damnation for the sake of honor? Is it worth it for what you consider to be honor? On top of it, is it worth it in light of the fact that it might not be honor at all, but that you might be mistaken about what is honorable?

God created all. God sustains all. Mankind causes his own death by rejecting God, the only Sustainer of life.