Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 225. (Read 901528 times)

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If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...



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You can answer questions: you proved that.

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.
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Wisdom and science have proved themselves time and time again! Science is proved and reached higher THROUGH b]science[/b].


God isn't a murderer? Really? Adam and Eve at first were immortals. Then God offered them the gift of death. And from that point on to

every living being. God has killed, kills, anw will kill anyone that was, is and ever will live on this Earth God is the greatest

killer.

Maybe some of us don't have the second life. Maybe we want eternal life here. Maybe we should have that choice. Not going to certain

death and be threaten that if we don't do certain things (some of which are not even bad) we'll go to hell. No praising God
? You go to hell. It's as simple as that.

"God created all." God destroyer of all.
"God sustains all." God killer of all.
"God, the only Sustainer of life." God the greatest killer ever was. Ironic how sinners cause their own deaths. But how about the

purest of people, that went above and beyond God's rules, and loved Him so much, why do they die?


It's a gama I tell you! God is bored and plays more and more cruel games!


So the Pharaoh wants to let the people of Israel free and God hardens his heart, because the pharaoh wants that? Is there any logic in

what you're saying? Because it sounds that you're just typing nonsensical words. God seems to be like a child. Do what I want or I'll

kill you!

"He makes everything bearable?" I've heard this stupid thing all my life. Everything is bearable until you die. No matter what happens

and how bad it is, until the point that you're not just dead, it's "bearable". Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but just because you're not

dead doesn't mean that it's "bearable"!
"you yourself are a gift from Him to you" - does this even have any logic? I mean I've read it 3 times but no it's nonsense.\

That's just blackmail, and I'll say no more.

"giving us death when we ask for it". The only time people are asking for death is when they can't stand the pain and suffering of

life, which from your standpoint are all given to us by God. It's the same as with God hardening the Pharao's heart all over again.

Yeah - people can't consult God about the law because God doesn't show Himself. Why?

exercises mans' request for death" - well hear me: I don't want to die! I want to live forever!

"after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation." Really? Wasn't He the One who made the rules? And as He

is Omnipotent He can change them, right? People can't repent after death? Pretty convenient.

"maintains it in ways that you don't know how to." - ok, so how about itwhen man will be able to create life? To defeat death? Because

that's not far from now. What then? In what way will God fear us and stop us from advancing? Or will we become gods ourselves?

Of every century my friend.

Everything during hystory that was not explained and up to the point when it was explained was considered either magic or from God ar

other nonsense. Think about all the great discoveries that were made only in the last 100 years. We went from walking bearfooted in the

mud to the moon and beyond. We live in a Golden Age of discovery and we'll defeat soon even death. Then we'll be no longer blackmailed

with death and religion.


True words. When it comes to God logic is put aside, eyes are closed and reason is thrown out the window.

So you're trying to prove your theory by using science fictions books? You did see the "fiction" part did you? But still, if you

actually want to use the sci-fi card, think about the many real life discoveries that have been made due to science fiction.

"where it might happen to be exist factually"? Make up your mind dude. Does or doesn't it exist?

The simple fac is that there are certain things that we do not understant. YET. But this situation repeated itseld in hystory countless

times. And science transformed magic into understandable reality for everyone.

Logic excapes the grasp of his mind. He wants God Himself to tell him, through a divined-inspired writer that evolution is true.

You're not mentally reduced are you?
The man not only speaks in scientific terms (which if you don't understand is not his problem) but also gave you references, that would

be advisable that you read.

Conclusion: religion hates real life!


Jeez what twisted logic you have. That's why I can't talk with you religious nuts. First you make me mad, than you make me laugh.
Theory is science that's not applied yet. If I give you a recipe for bread (which is the theory of making bread) is it science fiction

until you don't actually cook the bread? Use your brain! Don't let it ba a sponge for other people's garbage.

Enough with the rhetorical non-sensical questions. It doesn't help.

Oh wait! He's seen the ape movie! Now that must be true enough to convince him. I mean all this scientific evidence and he's convinced

by a movie... (I was about to ask the Lord for strength but then I stopped myself).

You do see that out of those 6 links, just one is from Wikipedia, right?

There are two points in that phrase: the "99%" and the "scientists".
That should be enough.

You're disproving yourself again. It's funny to watch you do it.
Entropy is a universal force. If it's a force "that attempts to equalize everything" then what is it fighting for? The simple

fact that you call it a force demojnstrates that there is a counterforce.

He's going in reverse mode again. Dude. Now's the time to show him, all of us that you're right. You seem to have the proof AND out

undivided attention.

Then let God work faith into your heart, and let us atheists have science work it's wonders in ours. We'll leave you alone, and we just

ask that you do the same and stop knocking on our doors saturday mornings at 7 o'clock when we're sleeping after a hard night of

science.
Jeez, I mean you don't see atheists stopping people in the street trying to convince them they're wrong. We'd like to ask you the same

courtesy.

Sorry for the long reply but I was away for a few days.
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I have to completely agree with Moloch: why would God, who has all His attributes to the superlative: amongst them being "all-knowing",

create a world, only to destroy it later because the beings that He created after a time got bad/evil? Isn't He "all-powerful"? So if

He knows everything what happened? Bad coding? System error? He doesn't make mystakes! He's perfect in all ways!
So, as Moloch said: why the flood? Is it sadism?
Also: sending all the bad souls to hell: for ETERNITY! Because they weren't perfect! Because they were created like that: imperfect.
Moloch, and all of us are trying to use pure reason. I say "trying" because us too are not perfect. Why are you against reason? Against

things that make sense?
I don't know about all atheists but if you leave me alone I'll leave you alone - be contempt in your made up world, it's ok. But stop

trying to convince us about God's existence!


Again: if Christians are so good why have so many people died in the name of God? Something's wrong here, I tell you.


His best? There is no "best" for Him. He's perfect, no? All encompassing.

Also: God is three persons: God is God, Jesus is God, the holy spirit is God. Three persons, one being. Then God killed Himself? Also:

if He killed Himself knowing that He would not really die what does that prove? Who wouldn't die without a problem if he/she would have

the certainty that after three days he/she would be again alive without a scratch?


He uses his name because he chose to. Jeez. All the questions.


There are so many inconsistencies in the  Bible, so many contradictions. I could name 100 without breaking a sweat! With verses to

prove what I say.


Semantic ideas?! Atheists deal with facts! Theologians play with words and semantics, twisting everything until you're dizzy and agree

either because you're tired or all the twistings have "convinced" you. Until you're converted. Then they're (the Christians) happy.

Because that's their agenda. To convert you. They can't be happy alone. Everyone must be like them! They have the absolute truth.
Killing people that don't believe in God is doing them a favor?! Jeez dude! Isn't "thou shall not kill" one of the most sacred of the

ten commandments?! Dying quicker in life is better? That's the most stupid psychologism I've ever heard. Let me quote the man again:

"What have you been smoking dude?".
Also: you have less to pay if you die younger? Isn't hell forever? I mean if you die at 20 you only stay in hell forever instead of

"forever" if you die at 50... How about if I live until 100 and live a rational life without war, religion and other non-sense? And

dedicate my life to art and reason and science?
Fighting against God? He's all powerful. Don't tell me He's affraid. I mean it's enough just to blink and all His enemies would simply

wanish, right? What fighting? People are fighting because He allow it.
So after you die all is lost? You can't repent after death? What's with the rules? If it's true and sincere why not? The rules can't

changed? I mean, again, He is all powerful.


From what I see Wisdom and Science are exactly what he talks about. What we all are trying to promote.


If we are so small in front of God why would He be insulted? I don't get insulted if a dog barks at me on the street.
God created Man to adore Him and then when that doesn't happen we are threaten with hell. That's arrogance.
That's not selflessness. We should have been created to be happy not to adore Him so that He can feel better about Himself.


Right again.


God doesn't say anything in the Bible. God did not write the Bible. Men did.
"Everyone who does not believe in God is wicked and evil." Jeez dude! I don't like to call people stupid because I wouldn't like to be

called like that but you're asking for it. God gave us free will. So we're using it. If He wanted mindless drones He should have

created that! He gives us free will and then when we exercise it He gets upset? That's not right.
So He created us to worship Him and He did us a favor? Are you really that brainwashed? I mean, you do realize that makes no sense

right?


No answers needed. Those verses speak for themselves. And actually he did answer, in between the parantheses under the verses.


Exactly. Everytime Christians are put against the wall with logic they use the "divine inspiration" card. And let's not forget the "God

knows everything, you don't because you're small and your mind is limited" bit.


Interesting argument. For a long time I felt like all this is a game for God.


Pick sides? Isn't that a bit childish? Maybe we don't want to "pick sides". Maybe we want others to leave us alone. Maybe we want to be

Switzerland.


"In America, a child is the property of his parents." Really? Tell that to Child Services and see how fast they'll take your property.

Even better. Beat the child - you'll never see the kid again.
"Not rape. She accepted his seduction. Voluntarily." You don't have kids, do you? Or a daughter? Now if my daughter would get raped and

someone would tell me she accepted his seduction things would not end very well.
"This is an Old Testament command to the nation of Israel". Then let the "Israel from the old testament" to follow that rule. We'll

live in the current age of the world.
"Destruction happens to all who will not worship the God of the ancient Israelites."; Also: God chose favorites. It's not about all

people. The people of Israel are more special than us others. Let then the people of Israel to follow the rules that God created for

His favourites.
"This was a great plan. Killing all the people". I'll stop here with that quote. It's self explanatory. And again: it applies to the

people of Israel.


"the praise raises the people doing the praising up towards the level of Godness."? That makes no sense. Certain things, like gravity

can't be disputed because they're logical. Your way of thinking goes against gravity.

Why God only "infuses" minds? Why doesn't He show Himself? Don't tell me He's affraid!
"As long as he believes that Jesus has forgiven him for his mistakes, he is forgiven and saved." So: has Jesus forgiven sinners already

or not? Which is it?


This such a true and sad, sad fact! We could have been so far ahead, it's heartbreaking. because it can be seen how many lives science

saves, but no! Religion doesn't want to save lives, religion wants to save souls, and for that you have to die!


And all this because: praise God or die! no third option.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Good analogy. And it's right that religion is a question of faith.
You can't prove the existence of God, if you could then it wouldn't be God.

You can't prove His existence otherwise He couldn't test our faith.

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible. 

Then please don't post information you don't understand and for which you cannot provide proof.

The fun and interesting part about this thread is conversation and discussion, but you just want to monolog.

Ahah, seems I missed some good things last night xD

Well it reminds me of all the videos "proving the existence of god" where their only argument is that the golden ratio is everywhere. So for them it's a proof that god is at the base of everything. Nothing to do with the fact that gravity makes everything round and that everything round has the golden ratio somewhere 

So I'm going to ask again:
What do you believe? That humanity was created from stone 5 000 years ago?

Obviously, you are not very interested. If you were, you would go out and do your own investigating.

Sure, I looked at the post, but it's just you quoting someone else. I wanted you to explain how this person derived those odds, because the explanation given in the post is incomplete. Obviously I can't discuss this with the author, but since you're certain this is correct you must understand it, so I'm discussing it with you.




Of course that is a valid assumption. I have the ability to navigate websites and to think. This of course does nothing to prove any of your points.



Another ad-hominem attack. Do you have a wider set of logical fallacies that you prefer, or do you just stick with special pleading and ad-hominem attacks?

Okay. You got me. I certainly can't make you look at the Bitcoitalk post that has the odds. All I can do is point it out to you, like I did. 



I know, I know. It is completely my mistake for assuming that you have the ability to navigate websites, and think.

Just curious. Do you do your own keyboard work when you post in this forum? The reason I ask is, the keyboard work seems to be a lot better than the thinking that is behind what you say.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am not tearing down your character. I'm simply saying it like it is. Low IQ isn't something that is bad. It is what it is. That's all. You are a wonderful human being, I'm sure, even though you seem to have such an inability to handle navigating this forum... or whatever your problem is.

What odds? You provide no odds that this couldn't happen naturally. And why odds - why not a likelihood or different probability measure? You just think it's unlikely, but it's not a provable assertion. You're probably making assumptions based on intuition, but this means you're just expressing an opinion, not any provable assertion.



Well quelle surprise -- I ask for proof of an strongly stated assertion and you once again respond with an ad-hominem attack in order to avoid expressing your own ignorance in matters of statistical analysis.

Why have a conversation if you'll only converse with people who already know what you know and have nothing to learn? What would the point be? Shouldn't ignorance of a fact be a teaching opportunity?

My video is down right now. Maybe later.   

You might understand the joke if you would click the link and watch the 1 minute video made by Christians (spoiler: one of them is Kirk Cameron)

"If you study a well-made banana..."

"God has placed a tab at the top like a soda can"

"The wrapper is bio-degradable" (no shit.. its a banana!)

Pure comedy... hence the question about the pineapple... not so human-friendly as a banana

All by itself, the banana may not be proof of God. But, it is way more proof of God than it is proof of evolution.

Why do you ask me to explain coconuts and pineapples? You can find all kinds of information about them if you do an Internet search. Of course, if you don't know this by now, it probably doesn't do any good to tell you.

Yes. The science religion has different ... than other religions.

The odds, man. The odds.

Why do you attempt to express your ignorance all the time? Actually, I don't really care. But you are getting really good at it.

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13757570 for the answer to your question.

Do you also believe the banana is proof of God?
Behold the Atheist's Nightmare

If so, how do you explain the coconut, or the pineapple?

Science has a different expectation when it comes to words like "proof" and "evidence" than religion...

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Why is it "absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself"? You haven't provided any proof that this is not possible, just opinion.

Science proves evolution is false- Atheist is crushed by science - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2M0XQnqfNY.