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Quote from: organofcorti on February 03, 2016, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 05:07:35 AM

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible.

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Since we all live using probability (we do it because we don't know what will happen even a second from now) we all live on faith, not science. And the science of probability proves it. What's more, since Quantum Mechanics is simply complex probability, even QM proves our faith.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:32:18 AM

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Man... You're extremely agressive. Where did I say you were wrong? I never said so! I never even just condemned you! I just say that I can have my faith and still be a reasonable logical an rather intelligent person understanding science too!

And you don't have faith in science, that's the main principle of science you don't have to have faith in it as it proves things...

Dude I was talking to BadDecker. I as agreeing with you.
Also BadDecker - it might interest you that I studied theology for 5 years. If that, somehow, entitles me to have an opinion, in front of you. Even if that opinion is different of yours.

Oh. Well you were quoting me last, but no problem it's a rather hot debate with lots of people talking ^^

And the cola idea was a good one. Gonna take one too!

Sorry man. Must have pressed the wrong quote button. And I wasn't trying to be aggressive Maybe I seem like that when I really get involved in a discussion.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 11:36:43 AM

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Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:28:35 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:29 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:27 AM

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

Hmm... No i'll also take science ^^

As I said I think you can have both, science and faith, I don't see why I shouldn't understand how the universe works to be able to have the faith to believe in God! You can have both Cheesy

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Except that you know none of these things for a fact. You just think you do. The example is that you have been unexpectedly wrong at times in your life. Thank God that He keeps the universe reasonably stable for you that many of the things you predict based on experience actually happen.

A lot of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki knew exactly what was going to happen to them in the next minute. Then suddenly they were simply gone, in a second.

This is pointless.
I'm feeling like don quijote. I'm done.
You make me feel sad and tired.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:37:52 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:32:18 AM

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Man... You're extremely agressive. Where did I say you were wrong? I never said so! I never even just condemned you! I just say that I can have my faith and still be a reasonable logical an rather intelligent person understanding science too!

And you don't have faith in science, that's the main principle of science you don't have to have faith in it as it proves things...

Dude I was talking to BadDecker. I as agreeing with you.
Also BadDecker - it might interest you that I studied theology for 5 years. If that, somehow, entitles me to have an opinion, in front of you. Even if that opinion is different of yours.

Oh. Well you were quoting me last, but no problem it's a rather hot debate with lots of people talking ^^

And the cola idea was a good one. Gonna take one too!

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Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:32:18 AM

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Man... You're extremely agressive. Where did I say you were wrong? I never said so! I never even just condemned you! I just say that I can have my faith and still be a reasonable logical an rather intelligent person understanding science too!

And you don't have faith in science, that's the main principle of science you don't have to have faith in it as it proves things...

Dude I was talking to BadDecker. I as agreeing with you.
Also BadDecker - it might interest you that I studied theology for 5 years. If that, somehow, entitles me to have an opinion, in front of you. Even if that opinion is different of yours.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:32:18 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:28:35 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:29 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 03, 2016, 11:02:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:27 AM

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

Hmm... No i'll also take science ^^

As I said I think you can have both, science and faith, I don't see why I shouldn't understand how the universe works to be able to have the faith to believe in God! You can have both Cheesy

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Except that you know none of these things for a fact. You just think you do. The example is that you have been unexpectedly wrong at times in your life. Thank God that He keeps the universe reasonably stable for you that many of the things you predict based on experience actually happen.

A lot of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki knew exactly what was going to happen to them in the next minute. Then suddenly they were simply gone, in a second.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:32:18 AM

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

Man... You're extremely agressive. Where did I say you were wrong? I never said so! I never even just condemned you! I just say that I can have my faith and still be a reasonable logical an rather intelligent person understanding science too!

And you don't have faith in science, that's the main principle of science you don't have to have faith in it as it proves things...

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:28:52 AM

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 11:50:14 PM

Another ad-hominem attack. Do you have a wider set of logical fallacies that you prefer, or do you just stick with special pleading and ad-hominem attacks?

Obviously, you are not very interested. If you were, you would go out and do your own investigating.

Then please don't post information you don't understand and for which you cannot provide proof.

The fun and interesting part about this thread is conversation and discussion, but you just want to monolog.

First, I haven't done any ad-hominem regarding you. You have done them to yourself by expressing that you are ignorant when you are not. I am simply repeating them a little more directly. So, I am not attacking. I am simply pointing out your own self-attacks.

Why do you post information that tears down understanding and knowledge? As I have said, I say again.
Science proves the existence of God.
Science proves the non-existence of fundamental evolution.
Science is mixed with fiction which is called theory in science.

All you need to do is investigate these, and you will see that they are the truth.

Of course, why should I be surprised that there are people ho are spreading lies like you are? Such people have been around almost from the beginning.

Stop calling people ignorant just because they have different belief system than you do. It's just rude!
"Science proves the existence of God." Dude! If that's true - and by proving meaning that you actually have scientific proof that can be demonstrated and repeated then I'll shut up.
Also stop calling people liars. Prove that they're lying, don't just throw ugly words just because you don't agree.

So you admit that science is a belief system for you. Since it is a belief system, it is your religion.

It isn't my fault that you can't apply the combination of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy to see that they prove God.

You presume to give me orders? Especially when you can't even see the proofs for God all around you? Perhaps you would better serve yourself if you went back to thinking school.

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Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:28:35 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:29 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 03, 2016, 11:02:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:27 AM

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

Hmm... No i'll also take science ^^

As I said I think you can have both, science and faith, I don't see why I shouldn't understand how the universe works to be able to have the faith to believe in God! You can have both Cheesy

But I do have faith my dear gentlemen - faith in science. That is still faith is it not?
And I know what will happen a minute from now. 5 things actually:
1. it's gonna get dark
2. I'm gonna eat something
3. I'm going to have a cola after it
4. you'll just continue with your babble
5. and finally, again, you'll continue to ignore our point if view and insist that you're the only one that is right and all uf us are wrong.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:15:33 AM

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And elgeo, again, still unable to think, but up to copy and paste rather than typing.

Cheesy

Well at least I can type properly. Don't Know about the copy paste though. Well I guess I'll just have to have faith that you're telling the truth.
You know what? Faith doesn't give me that much support. Sorry.

Since you don't know for a fact what will happen even a minute from now, you live almost entirely on faith.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 11:25:12 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 03, 2016, 04:51:42 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 12:02:44 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 11:50:14 PM

Another ad-hominem attack. Do you have a wider set of logical fallacies that you prefer, or do you just stick with special pleading and ad-hominem attacks?

Obviously, you are not very interested. If you were, you would go out and do your own investigating.

Then please don't post information you don't understand and for which you cannot provide proof.

The fun and interesting part about this thread is conversation and discussion, but you just want to monolog.

First, I haven't done any ad-hominem regarding you. You have done them to yourself by expressing that you are ignorant when you are not. I am simply repeating them a little more directly. So, I am not attacking. I am simply pointing out your own self-attacks.

Why do you post information that tears down understanding and knowledge? As I have said, I say again.
Science proves the existence of God.
Science proves the non-existence of fundamental evolution.
Science is mixed with fiction which is called theory in science.

All you need to do is investigate these, and you will see that they are the truth.

Of course, why should I be surprised that there are people ho are spreading lies like you are? Such people have been around almost from the beginning.

Stop calling people ignorant just because they have different belief system than you do. It's just rude!
"Science proves the existence of God." Dude! If that's true - and by proving meaning that you actually have scientific proof that can be demonstrated and repeated then I'll shut up.
Also stop calling people liars. Prove that they're lying, don't just throw ugly words just because you don't agree.

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:29 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 03, 2016, 11:02:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:27 AM

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

Hmm... No i'll also take science ^^

As I said I think you can have both, science and faith, I don't see why I shouldn't understand how the universe works to be able to have the faith to believe in God! You can have both Cheesy

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Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:41 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 11:14:51 AM

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 03, 2016, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 05:07:35 AM

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible.

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

I'm sorry but science only deals with facts. Now if you hear one thing but understand another then that's only your problem.
And it's ok. It really is. Believe what you want. Maybe what you shouldn't be doing is call people names? Alrighty then.

Science theory is not fact, even though that it exists as theory is fact. If it were fact, it would be called fact, not theory.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 03, 2016, 04:51:42 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 12:02:44 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 11:50:14 PM

Another ad-hominem attack. Do you have a wider set of logical fallacies that you prefer, or do you just stick with special pleading and ad-hominem attacks?

Obviously, you are not very interested. If you were, you would go out and do your own investigating.

Then please don't post information you don't understand and for which you cannot provide proof.

The fun and interesting part about this thread is conversation and discussion, but you just want to monolog.

First, I haven't done any ad-hominem regarding you. You have done them to yourself by expressing that you are ignorant when you are not. I am simply repeating them a little more directly. So, I am not attacking. I am simply pointing out your own self-attacks.

Why do you post information that tears down understanding and knowledge? As I have said, I say again.
Science proves the existence of God.
Science proves the non-existence of fundamental evolution.
Science is mixed with fiction which is called theory in science.

All you need to do is investigate these, and you will see that they are the truth.

Of course, why should I be surprised that there are people ho are spreading lies like you are? Such people have been around almost from the beginning.

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Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 11:17:29 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 03, 2016, 11:02:30 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

Quote from: eon89 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:27 AM

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 11:14:51 AM

Quote from: gregyoung14 on February 03, 2016, 07:39:02 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 03, 2016, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 03, 2016, 05:07:35 AM

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible.

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

I'm sorry but science only deals with facts. Now if you hear one thing but understand another then that's only your problem.
And it's ok. It really is. Believe what you want. Maybe what you shouldn't be doing is call people names? Alrighty then.

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Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! Cheesy

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

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And elgeo, again, still unable to think, but up to copy and paste rather than typing.

Cheesy

Well at least I can type properly. Don't Know about the copy paste though. Well I guess I'll just have to have faith that you're telling the truth.
You know what? Faith doesn't give me that much support. Sorry.

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Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible.

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 11:11:14 AM

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And suddenly there appears elgeo, another joker who can barely think, but learned how to type very well.

Cheesy

But why think when we can believe?
Isn't that what you are all about?

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