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legendary
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February 01, 2016, 02:42:54 PM
Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...




You can answer questions: you proved that.

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 02:41:26 PM
Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out civilizations!
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!

Quoting myself:

Can you answer questions?


Best regards.

Do you believe the Molech?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 02:07:09 PM
How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 02:04:56 PM
Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Religion is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.

Why are you using this name?

I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Faith is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.

Why are you using this name?

I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
God is just. He will punish wicked people according to the quantity and quality of their wickedness.
Says who?
God says it Himself in the bible.

God didn't write the bible, Christians stopped believing that ages ago (because some claims are provably incorrect in the bible)... so nowadays, it's only "divinely inspired, but written by men"

God is a Spirit. He doesn't pick up pen and paper, and write.

Rather, God infused the minds and spirits of certain people who believed in Him, with the words that He wanted written. Then they wrote as He directed.

Bible claims are not incorrect. Often the understanding of people is backwards enough that they don't understand the claims of the Bible correctly.

Just because a Christian doesn't understand everything in the Bible, doesn't make him a non-Christian. As long as he believes that Jesus has forgiven him for his mistakes, he is forgiven and saved.

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legendary
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February 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
God made us to praise and worship Him.

Where did you get that idea?  It makes zero sense...

Just think about it... I know it's difficult, but try to put yourself in God's shoes for 2 seconds...

You are God... you are all-powerful... what do you do?  Create a universe for the sole purpose of having these little ants worship you?  Nope... that's not it...

Ok, no more playing God, you are back to yourself again... Would you create an ant-farm and try to convince them to worship you?  Would you be super happy if a few of them did worship you?  Does any of this make sense?

You have not thought about the glory of God deeply, what it is and how it works. You have not thought about what praise of God really is, or how (in the case of praising God) the praise raises the people doing the praising up towards the level of Godness.

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legendary
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February 01, 2016, 01:08:53 PM
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life."
- Pro 22:4

Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

Best regards.

I can quote the bible too:
Then you can quote the best that there is to quote.


"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her." Exodus 21:7

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20
In America, a child is the property of his parents.

In ancient Israel, the best laws of the day in the whole world abounded.


"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife." Exodus 22:16
(This is a great law for any rapist who wants to marry his rape victim... not so fun for the woman who is required to marry her rapist)
Not rape. She accepted his seduction. Voluntarily.

The command is to the man. The woman already accepted him. Now he needs to keep his part of the seduction agreement.


"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed" Exodus 22:20
(better start killing those other religions... God commands you to!)
This is an Old Testament command to the nation of Israel. Note that the passage, itself, doesn't state who is to do the destroying. Destruction happens to all who will not worship the God of the ancient Israelites.


"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18
(kill all the men, but keep the virgins as your property... now that's a plan!)

This was a great plan. Killing all the people who were against God was a great form of praise and worship. Marrying the virgins helped to keep in-breeding from happening, at the same time that the Israel men remained righteous by not killing a man and then stealing his wife.

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legendary
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February 01, 2016, 01:08:26 PM
Let's not even mention the fact that playing by the rules God supposedly created himself, he is destined to get fewer souls than Satan...

Only around 30% of the world is Christian (even counting Mormons, etc)... If God gets <50% of the souls, he loses the game to Satan...  Why would he create and play such a game?


To You (atheists): when you don't pick a side that's what you will receive.

Are you happy about being the catalyzer of all this bad "people"?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 01:06:28 PM
Let's not even mention the fact that playing by the rules God supposedly created himself, he is destined to get fewer souls than Satan...

Only around 30% of the world is Christian (even counting Mormons, etc)... If God gets <50% of the souls, he loses the game to Satan...  Why would he create and play such a game?
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 01:04:40 PM
God made us to praise and worship Him.

Where did you get that idea?  It makes zero sense...

Just think about it... I know it's difficult, but try to put yourself in God's shoes for 2 seconds...

You are God... you are all-powerful... what do you do?  Create a universe for the sole purpose of having these little ants worship you?  Nope... that's not it...

Ok, no more playing God, you are back to yourself again... Would you create an ant-farm and try to convince them to worship you?  Would you be super happy if a few of them did worship you?  Does any of this make sense?

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Are you not able to live like a man?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 01:00:34 PM
God made us to praise and worship Him.

Where did you get that idea?  It makes zero sense...

Just think about it... I know it's difficult, but try to put yourself in God's shoes for 2 seconds...

You are God... you are all-powerful... what do you do?  Create a universe for the sole purpose of having these little ants worship you?  Nope... that's not it...

Ok, no more playing God, you are back to yourself again... Would you create an ant-farm and try to convince them to worship you?  Would you be super happy if a few of them did worship you?  Does any of this make sense?
sr. member
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February 01, 2016, 12:56:49 PM


Everything that your heart says is wrong, its wrong. Like you said your religion say you to "If one doesn't go to the Church on every Sunday, he is a sinner". its wrong because your heart did not believe on it. Because NO one religion bound you to pray. There are out comes if you dont pray, but not the boundness.

I agree with this but probably 99% of Catholics believe in this as it's written in the Bible. One person who lives in my neighborhood goes to Church twice a day and then he himself beats up dogs for sitting on the streets. Isn't this a sin to beat innocent people? That's the reason I don't believe in this and I don't go to Church every Sunday. Let them say that I have committed millions of sins till date and I will go to hell. I proudly will accept that.




Don't forget that they've made a contradictive statement about that for centuries, they say God is everywhere, so why the fuck do they need a Church?

People believe that God is only present in Churches, Temples, Mosques, Fire Temples and so on when God is in our heart. I can say my prayers even at home but that's not called a prayer according to the priests.

you are kinda wrong because  you can pray whereever you want in islam..
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 12:53:30 PM
God is just. He will punish wicked people according to the quantity and quality of their wickedness.
Says who?
God says it Himself in the bible.

God didn't write the bible, Christians stopped believing that ages ago (because some claims are provably incorrect in the bible)... so nowadays, it's only "divinely inspired, but written by men"
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life."
- Pro 22:4

Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

Best regards.

I can quote the bible too:

"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her." Exodus 21:7

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20

"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife." Exodus 22:16
(This is a great law for any rapist who wants to marry his rape victim... not so fun for the woman who is required to marry her rapist)

"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed" Exodus 22:20
(better start killing those other religions... God commands you to!)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18
(kill all the men, but keep the virgins as your property... now that's a plan!)


Can you answer questions?


Best regards.
hero member
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February 01, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life."
- Pro 22:4

Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

Best regards.

I can quote the bible too:

"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her." Exodus 21:7

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20

"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife." Exodus 22:16
(This is a great law for any rapist who wants to marry his rape victim... not so fun for the woman who is required to marry her rapist)

"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed" Exodus 22:20
(better start killing those other religions... God commands you to!)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18
(kill all the men, but keep the virgins as your property... now that's a plan!)



legendary
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February 01, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
God is just. He will punish wicked people according to the quantity and quality of their wickedness.
Says who?
God says it Himself in the bible.


Also, you are phrasing that incorrectly... "God is just" implies that justice exists without God... It's like saying, "God is good"... well... that's not what you believe... you believe, "Good is God"... whatever God does is just/good, not because the act itself is good, but because anything God does is exempt...  If God decides to murder innocent Egyptian children and animals by the tens of thousands, its just/good because God did the murdering of innocent children (see the 10th plague of Egypt)

You believe that whatever God does is just/good, not because murder is just/good, but because when God does it, he's special and exempt...
All the more reason to say things like this to you. Why's that? Because you believe this way, and will understand them better.



Now imagine as an example that you were 20 years old, and had been wicked all your life. By the time you were, say, 50, wouldn't you have done a whole lot more wickedness? If you die at 50, you have a lot more to be punished for in Hell than you would have if you died at 20.

Why do you assume that someone who doesn't believe in God is wicked/evil?  Are all atheists wicked in your eyes?  What about Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist?  All evil too?

Just because someone doesn't believe in Santa without evidence, does not make them evil... it makes them less gullible than you...

Everyone who does not believe in God is wicked and evil. Why? Because one of the greatest things God made us for is to praise and worship Him. If a person doesn't believe in God, any praise of God he does will only be incidental. He is not allowing himself to do the thing that God made him for. This is wickedness... very great evil.

God didn't make people to go to Hell. When people in their stupidity and ignorance opted for the Hell route, God left a way open for them to be saved. And this way wasn't only with the idea of simple salvation. It is designed to give people some of the glory of Jesus... to be like God. And you want to throw it away.

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hero member
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February 01, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
God is just. He will punish wicked people according to the quantity and quality of their wickedness.
Says who?

Also, you are phrasing that incorrectly... "God is just" implies that justice exists without God... It's like saying, "God is good"... well... that's not what you believe... you believe, "Good is God"... whatever God does is just/good, not because the act itself is good, but because anything God does is exempt...  If God decides to murder innocent Egyptian children and animals by the tens of thousands, its just/good because God did the murdering of innocent children (see the 10th plague of Egypt)

You believe that whatever God does is just/good, not because murder is just/good, but because when God does it, he's special and exempt...


Now imagine as an example that you were 20 years old, and had been wicked all your life. By the time you were, say, 50, wouldn't you have done a whole lot more wickedness? If you die at 50, you have a lot more to be punished for in Hell than you would have if you died at 20.

Why do you assume that someone who doesn't believe in God is wicked/evil?  Are all atheists wicked in your eyes?  What about Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist?  All evil too?

Just because someone doesn't believe in Santa without evidence, does not make them evil... it makes them less gullible than you...
legendary
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February 01, 2016, 12:33:29 PM
You forget one thing. God loved us so much, that He did the best for us. What is that best? God is giving us in our selves, Himself. He is making us like Him. We have the choice to be like Him or not. How do we have that choice? He gave it to us. Either join Him and be like Him, or do away with ourselves.

What's the question here? I'd slap you ion the face if I was God. And to think He offers you the greatest thing that there is... to be like Him. And you even suggest turning it down. What an insult. Even you would be insulted if you offered someone a million dollars, and besides not accepting it, all he did was to call you a piece of shit to your face.

Why am I not surprised that the "Christian" is the one talking about assaulting the non-Christian?  Kinda proving my point about religion being the aggressor, dontcha think?

Let's say hypothetically, I'm wrong... God exists, he's the Christian God, etc... Would I worship him?  FUCK NO!!!  The God of the bible is an evil bastard... I've read the bible... I would never love or worship that God even if the entire bible were 100% true...

For more info, I'll refer you to Stephen Fry, because he does an amazing job explaining this point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI


You completely miss the point. You dare to insult God while He is holding your life in His hands. Wouldn't you crush a bug who insulted you while you were trying to keep it alive? And hearing this, you don't stop, even though God in His mercy waits for you to change. How long does He have to wait?

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