Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 232.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 07:13:31 PM

Many of the points at the site you linked are simply statements. Some of them have been refuted far more strongly at "44 Reasons" than they have been stated at "Evolution 101." It would be interesting to do a comparison.

I wonder how much the scientists involved see things the way they want rather than what is logically there.

Do you also believe the banana is proof of God?
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If so, how do you explain the coconut, or the pineapple?

Science has a different expectation when it comes to words like "proof" and "evidence" than religion...

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 07:24:30 PM

More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

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#35 DNA is so incredibly complex that it is absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself by accident…

"When it comes to storing massive amounts of information, nothing comes close to the efficiency of DNA. A single strand of DNA is thousands of times thinner than a strand of human hair. One pinhead of DNA could hold enough information to fill a stack of books stretching from the earth to the moon 500 times.

"Although DNA is wound into tight coils, your cells can quickly access, copy, and translate the information stored in DNA. DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. Only about one mistake slips through for every 10 billion nucleotides that are copied."

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Why is it "absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself"? You haven't provided any proof that this is not possible, just opinion.

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Science proves evolution is false- Atheist is crushed by science - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2M0XQnqfNY.

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More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

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#35 DNA is so incredibly complex that it is absolutely absurd to suggest that such a language system could have “evolved” all by itself by accident…

"When it comes to storing massive amounts of information, nothing comes close to the efficiency of DNA. A single strand of DNA is thousands of times thinner than a strand of human hair. One pinhead of DNA could hold enough information to fill a stack of books stretching from the earth to the moon 500 times.

"Although DNA is wound into tight coils, your cells can quickly access, copy, and translate the information stored in DNA. DNA even has a built-in proofreader and spell-checker that ensure precise copying. Only about one mistake slips through for every 10 billion nucleotides that are copied."

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Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 07:03:05 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 07:00:14 PM

More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

Here is 2x more proof for evolution http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/

Many of the points at the site you linked are simply statements. Some of them have been refuted far more strongly at "44 Reasons" than they have been stated at "Evolution 101." It would be interesting to do a comparison.

I wonder how much the scientists involved see things the way they want rather than what is logically there.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 07:00:14 PM

More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

Here is 2x more proof for evolution http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/

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More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

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#27 Evolutionists would have us believe that there are nice, neat fossil layers with older fossils being found in the deepest layers and newer fossils being found in the newest layers. This simply is not true at all…

"The fossil layers are not found in the ground in the nice neat clean order that evolutionists illustrate them to be in their textbooks. There is not one place on the surface of the earth where you may dig straight down and pass through the fossil layers in the order shown in the textbooks. The neat order of one layer upon another does not exist in nature. The fossil bearing layers are actually found out of order, upside down (backwards according to evolutionary theory), missing (from where evolutionists would expect them to be) or interlaced (“younger” and “older” layers found in repeating sequences). “Out of place” fossils are the rule and not the exception throughout the fossil record."

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More proof against evolution from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

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#15 The odds of even a single sell “assembling itself” by chance are so low that they aren’t even worth talking about. The following is an excerpt from Jonathan Gray’s book entitled “The Forbidden Secret“…

"Even the simplest cell you can conceive of would require no less than 100,000 DNA base pairs and a minimum of about 10,000 amino acids, to form the essential protein chain. Not to mention the other things that would also be necessary for the first cell.

"Bear in mind that every single base pair in the DNA chain has to have the same molecular orientation (“left-hand” or “right hand”)? As well as that, virtually all the amino acids must have the opposite orientation. And every one must be without error.

"'Now,' explained Larry, 'to randomly obtain those correct orientations, do you know your chances? It would be 1 chance in 2110,000, or 1 chance in 1033,113!'

"'To put it another way, if you attempted a trillion, trillion, trillion combinations every second for 15 billion years, the odds you would achieve all the correct orientations would still only be one chance in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion … and the trillions would continue 2755 times!'

"'It would be like winning more than 4700 state lotteries in a row with a single ticket purchased for each. In other words…impossible.'"

The odds against evolution happening are greater than the odds for breaking the Bitcoin blockchain.

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Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 06:33:14 PM

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Quote from: btvGainer on February 02, 2016, 06:03:07 PM

There's a God and we do not need science to prove His existence to us

This is true. The idea is to show atheists that God exists in language they understand, before they die in their sins. Obviously, many of them will simply pull back into their shell rather than seek God and a joyful eternal life in Heaven. But a few of them will turn. And many border-line Christians will see how God truly DOES exist, and will be strengthened in their Christianity.

How did you choose to believe in christianity in the first place?

I heard God's words from the Bible. The Holy Spirit worked faith in my heart. I happened to not be one of the obstinate ones who was so stubborn that I had the ability to resist the Holy Spirit. Rather, at that time I was weak in spiritual strength.

Perhaps my obstinacy has grown. Perhaps if I didn't see the logic of God now that I have experience with Him, I might resist Him along with the atheists.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 06:08:18 PM

Quote from: btvGainer on February 02, 2016, 06:03:07 PM

There's a God and we do not need science to prove His existence to us

This is true. The idea is to show atheists that God exists in language they understand, before they die in their sins. Obviously, many of them will simply pull back into their shell rather than seek God and a joyful eternal life in Heaven. But a few of them will turn. And many border-line Christians will see how God truly DOES exist, and will be strengthened in their Christianity.

How did you choose to believe in christianity in the first place?

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Quote from: Moloch on February 02, 2016, 06:17:19 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 05:25:56 PM

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Wait, what?!? "Science has proof for the existence of God"?!? This must be a breaking news story from every media outlet on the planet... why haven't I heard of this?

Please provide a source for such incredible news!

Wouldn't do you any good. You wouldn't understand it. But if by some chance you happened to understand, you would fight it intentionally, just like you are doing now.

Translation...

Pot: "Hey kettle, are you there?"
Kettle: "What do you want stoner?"
Pot: "You're black... like the darkness!"

Just to show you how corrupt the system promoting evolution is, from http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults:

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#14 Anything that we dig up that is supposedly more than 250,000 years old should have absolutely no radiocarbon in it whatsoever. But instead, we find it in everything that we dig up – even dinosaur bones. This is clear evidence that the “millions of years” theory is simply a bunch of nonsense…

"It’s long been known that radiocarbon (which should disappear in only a few tens of thousands of years at the most) keeps popping up reliably in samples (like coal, oil, gas, etc.) which are supposed to be ‘millions of years’ old. For instance, CMI has over the years commissioned and funded the radiocarbon testing of a number of wood samples from ‘old’ sites (e.g. with Jurassic fossils, inside Triassic sandstone, burnt by Tertiary basalt) and these were published (by then staff geologist Dr Andrew Snelling) in Creation magazine and Journal of Creation. In each case, with contamination eliminated, the result has been in the thousands of years, i.e. C-14 was present when it ‘shouldn’t have been’. These results encouraged the rest of the RATE team to investigate C-14 further, building on the literature reviews of creationist M.D. Dr Paul Giem."

"In another very important paper presented at this year’s ICC, scientists from the RATE group summarized the pertinent facts and presented further experimental data. The bottom line is that virtually all biological specimens, no matter how ‘old’ they are supposed to be, show measurable C-14 levels. This effectively limits the age of all buried biota to less than (at most) 250,000 years."

And here you are, opting to keep on believing in your false religion, the evolution system.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 05:56:44 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 05:25:56 PM

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Wait, what?!? "Science has proof for the existence of God"?!? This must be a breaking news story from every media outlet on the planet... why haven't I heard of this?

Please provide a source for such incredible news!

Wouldn't do you any good. You wouldn't understand it. But if by some chance you happened to understand, you would fight it intentionally, just like you are doing now.

Translation...

Pot: "Hey kettle, are you there?"
Kettle: "What do you want stoner?"
Pot: "You're black... like the darkness!"

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Quote from: btvGainer on February 02, 2016, 06:03:07 PM

There's a God and we do not need science to prove His existence to us

This is true. The idea is to show atheists that God exists in language they understand, before they die in their sins. Obviously, many of them will simply pull back into their shell rather than seek God and a joyful eternal life in Heaven. But a few of them will turn. And many border-line Christians will see how God truly DOES exist, and will be strengthened in their Christianity.

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There's a God and we do not need science to prove His existence to us

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Quote from: Moloch on February 02, 2016, 05:55:22 PM

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Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 05:17:05 PM

So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Wait, what?!? Science has proof for the existence of God?!? This must be a breaking news story from every media outlet on the planet... why haven't I heard of this?

Wouldn't do you any good. You wouldn't understand it. But if by some chance you happened to understand, you would fight it intentionally, just like you are doing now.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 05:25:56 PM

Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 05:17:05 PM

So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Wait, what?!? "Science has proof for the existence of God"?!? This must be a breaking news story from every media outlet on the planet... why haven't I heard of this?

Please provide a source for such incredible news!

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Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 05:17:05 PM

So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Standard science maintains a law which is cause and effect. Everything operates through cause and effect. There is nothing that doesn't operate by cause and effect.

The complexity of the universe is self evident.

Entropy is a universal force(?) that attempts to equalize everything. There is no reverse entropy anywhere that we know about.

When you combine the three things, cause and effect, complexity, and entropy, the only way that the universe can exist is that it was made by intelligent design, by some Intelligence that fits our dictionary definitions of the word "God."

This brief explanation doesn't explain the attributes of God, except to say that He/It is extremely powerful, and way more intelligent than we are.

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So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

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Quote from: Moloch on February 02, 2016, 04:52:38 PM

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded"

What is losing as badly as you have? Grin

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Quote from: Moloch on February 02, 2016, 04:50:31 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 04:40:16 PM

Since you are unwilling to look at the facts, but would rather believe the media lies and exaggerations, you will probably feel quite comfortable in your atheism and evolution religions. Ostrich with head in sand feel comfortable, too.

The problem is... 99.9% of scientists accept evolution... why would I listen to the 0.01% who deny it? Why do you listen to that rubbish?

No. The humor is that you seem to think that 99% of scientists accept evolution as truth.

Cheesy

Google it, I'll even hand you the link again
https://www.google.com/search?q=percent+of+scientists+who+believe+in+evolution

They got you, didn't they?

From Evolution Is Biologically Impossible at http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-biologically-impossible/:

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Reproduction may be called a regularity because billions of people have witnessed billions of new individuals arising that way, and in no other way, for thousands of years. The origin of life was a unique event and certainly not a regularity. Therefore, according to mathematical logicians, the only possibilities left are that life either was generated by chance or by deliberate design. The standard for impossible events eliminated evolution so the only remaining possibility is that life was designed into existence. The probability of the correctness of this conclusion is the inverse of the probability that eliminated evolution, that is, 104,478,296 chances to one.

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