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October 14, 2015, 12:12:35 AM
But the thing is, I keep telling you that Jesus said the only way to the Father was through the Son
And I keep refuting this point of view by telling you that it is merely an interpretation (as explained in StackExchange and Phoenix Journals), and it is not part of the core teaching which is called the New Commandment. He came to show us the path, but his being was not that path; it was his Oneness with God that was significant.

but you don't believe that means you have to believe in Him as the savior. The bible talks about sacrifices to get clean from sin...why do you think they sacrificed animals to the Lord?

I don't see anywhere where Jesus referred to himself as a "savior".

You see MMH, I am confused because when I pointed out to you that the New Commandment says nothing about a savior, you responded with the above reference to animal sacrifice; I do not feel like you understand the logic of the New Commandment so instead of thinking clearly about this you choose to refer to the OT, but that is basically you surrendering your discernment to a Book of Errors written by MAN. This is very irrational; if you start with the Bible as dogma, you will end up claiming that all of history aligns to your unreasonable worldview and that GOD was unable to produce an "impossible book" the first time around, just like one fellow named BADecker, who states:

"Scholars [who added to the Gospel of Mark] didn't get into God's mind to see that He wanted that ending in there, so He had it added later."

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12494403

I have a lot of sympathy for BADecker, but I have no more time for irrational lunacy; I hope you can give this discussion the time and thought that it needs so we can come to a clear conclusion about what it means to be a Christian.
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October 14, 2015, 12:04:02 AM
They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.
I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.

Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo.  Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God.  Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit.  Roll Eyes
Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.


Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.

Now you are contradicting yourself, MMH. First you said that to be Christian means to accept Jesus as your "SAVIOR", now you are saying that you only need to follow his "EXAMPLE".

Just to be clear, I am quoting your earlier post and highlighting the part that appears to be a contradiction.

At least 1aguar thinks that the thing he follows is God. So, he is better than the atheists who don't even know (most of the time) that they are making themselves out to be God by their atheism.

Brother, there is only One God; my beliefs qualify as Christian, as you saw MMH admit; there is a simple test:
The Messenger who you follow gave you only ONE Commandment;
No need to deify the messenger when his commandment was as simple as it IS!

I did not admit it's Christian, because you do not believe Jesus saves us. That's not Christian. Following Jesus's 2 commandments is. You do NOT.

Loving the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul is loving Him as your Creator and loving Jesus as your savior. Anything less is breaking it and not Christian.

And Jesus gave 2 commandments, not just one. They encompass the 10 commandments.

Brother, there is NOTHING about a savior or the person of Emmanuel in Jesus' New Commandment. Whether it is one or two does not make a difference, we both know what is meant by the New Commandment.
He said "love one another as I have loved you", not "love one another because I am your savior".
He said "love GOD" and "GOD is within YOU", not "love Jesus, your savior, for I will forgive you".

So like I said, the ONE Commandment is to love one another, that is to say that we are to follow his EXAMPLE, and there is no need to deify the messenger, since he was a MAN who INCARNATED, as detailed in the Phoenix Journals which explain all of this quite clearly.
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October 13, 2015, 10:29:01 PM
Some atheists hate religions, some don't. I'm an atheist and I don't hate religions, but I know some who do
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October 13, 2015, 08:22:33 PM

Liking your English doesn't have anything to do with it. Understanding your English is the problem. It's kinda like talking about the piss. What in the world does that mean? Are you Russian now?

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I understand.

Thank You for the discussion: talking your language help me understand the World.

Italian is not very know and italian is my mother tongue.

Russian and Americans are all the same: they are coming from Japhet, son of Noah, and father of all the European People.

Thank You.


Best regards.
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October 13, 2015, 08:08:25 PM

Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.

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Are you taking the piss or you really don't like my English?

Liking your English doesn't have anything to do with it. Understanding your English is the problem. It's kinda like talking about the piss. What in the world does that mean? Are you Russian now?

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October 13, 2015, 07:48:20 PM

Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.

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Are you taking the piss or you really don't like my English?
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October 13, 2015, 07:43:17 PM

I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?

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If you I was a child what would be the problem?

Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.

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October 13, 2015, 07:40:11 PM

I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?

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If you I was a child what would be the problem?
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October 13, 2015, 07:34:59 PM

Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.

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Is that Common sense really so in danger that you need to protect it with faith?

Thank You.


Best regards.

I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?

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October 13, 2015, 07:28:52 PM

Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.

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Is that Common sense really so in danger that you need to protect it with faith?

Thank You.


Best regards.
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October 13, 2015, 07:21:01 PM

And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.

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Man: I accept no man.

Thank would be gay.

Thank You


Best regards.

Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.

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October 13, 2015, 07:17:01 PM

And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.

Smiley

Man: I accept no man.

Thank would be gay.

Thank You


Best regards.
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October 13, 2015, 07:09:59 PM

No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.

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You have faith that is important, that can be strong or weak but you have it: that's all that it matters.


Thank You.


Best regards.

And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.

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October 13, 2015, 07:04:05 PM

No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.

Smiley

You have faith that is important, that can be strong or weak but you have it: that's all that it matters.


Thank You.


Best regards.
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October 13, 2015, 06:55:06 PM

What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.

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If you think you will be raised from death you have blind faith.

Thank You.

No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.

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October 13, 2015, 06:52:31 PM

What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.

Smiley

If you think you will be raised from death you have blind faith.

Thank You.
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October 13, 2015, 06:50:07 PM

Thank you. It is very common sensical to examine the facts, and then to base faith on the facts.

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Jesus Christ came in blind faith why shouldn't we?


Best regards.

What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.

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October 13, 2015, 06:46:53 PM

Pope Francis came "in his own name" and not in his Father's name when he went to the UN recently. The video shows his translator saying he comes in his own name. Pope Comes to United Nations "In His Own Name" : John 5:43


John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

Man: the Pope is a MAN (or a woman in the case of Elisabeth II), he/she is not Jesus Christ.

He/she's the vicar of Jesus Christ not Jesus Christ himself.

Forgive their sins as you will forgive to men/women.


Best regards.

The Pope could have come in Jesus' name. But he came in his own name just like Jesus prophesied. And you receive him (the Pope)... just like Jesus said you would... because you are not seeking the glory that comes from the only God.

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October 13, 2015, 06:45:51 PM

Thank you. It is very common sensical to examine the facts, and then to base faith on the facts.

Smiley

Jesus Christ came in blind faith why shouldn't we?


Best regards.
legendary
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October 13, 2015, 06:43:32 PM

Pope Francis came "in his own name" and not in his Father's name when he went to the UN recently. The video shows his translator saying he comes in his own name. Pope Comes to United Nations "In His Own Name" : John 5:43


John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

Man: the Pope is a MAN (or a woman in the case of Elisabeth II), he/she is not Jesus Christ.

He/she's the vicar of Jesus Christ not Jesus Christ himself.

Forgive their sins as you will forgive to men/women.


Best regards.
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