Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 310.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 06:26:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 06:24:24 PM

BitNow is acting on almost blind faith. God doesn't require this of us. He has given us the Bible so that we can see that there is substance and foundation for the faith that we DO have.

Common sense.

Thank you. It is very common sensical to examine the facts, and then to base faith on the facts.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:21:13 PM

I don't have a problem with authority. I just don't believe the pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ. He didn't come in his Father's name at the UN. What do you think of that?

I talked about the Pope, those are 2 people:

Elisabeth II, Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church
Francesco, Pope of the Catholic Church

Since you were talking about Francesco: in what name he came to the UN?

Best regards.

Pope Francis came "in his own name" and not in his Father's name when he went to the UN recently. The video shows his translator saying he comes in his own name. Pope Comes to United Nations "In His Own Name" : John 5:43

John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

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Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 06:24:24 PM

BitNow is acting on almost blind faith. God doesn't require this of us. He has given us the Bible so that we can see that there is substance and foundation for the faith that we DO have.

Common sense.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:21:13 PM

I don't have a problem with authority. I just don't believe the pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ. He didn't come in his Father's name at the UN. What do you think of that?

I talked about the Pope, those are 2 people:

Elisabeth II, Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church
Francesco, Pope of the Catholic Church

Since you were talking about Francesco: in what name he came to the UN?

Best regards.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:21:13 PM

Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 06:18:13 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:13:25 PM

I'd say not all Christians believe in the trinity.

Yes: I'm Catholic and you have a problem with authority, particularly with the authority of the Pope, the Vicar of Jesus Christ (on Earth).

Best regards.

I don't have a problem with authority. I just don't believe the pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ. He didn't come in his Father's name at the UN. What do you think of that?

BitNow is acting on almost blind faith. God doesn't require this of us. He has given us the Bible so that we can see that there is substance and foundation for the faith that we DO have.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 06:18:13 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:13:25 PM

I'd say not all Christians believe in the trinity.

Yes: I'm Catholic and you have a problem with authority, particularly with the authority of the Pope, the Vicar of Jesus Christ (on Earth).

Best regards.

I don't have a problem with authority. I just don't believe the pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ. He didn't come in his Father's name at the UN. What do you think of that?

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Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 06:15:07 PM

The Jews more than anyone have the Bible. Nobody has to answer them. Since they won't accept the Bible that they have, they will have to answer God when He questions them at the last day.

Yeah, me too: I'm fine with silence.

And after 2 months in this thread I do start to not care about atheists either.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 06:13:25 PM

I'd say not all Christians believe in the trinity.

Yes: I'm Catholic and you have a problem with authority, particularly with the authority of the Pope, the Vicar of Jesus Christ (on Earth).

Best regards.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 06:13:43 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 06:10:36 PM

If you believed and professed the things of the Bible rather than the things of the Pope, you would be more of a Pope than the Pope is, as well.

Saying what you are, or will be, without nobody telling that on you first is called pride.

Best regards.

No pride required. Simple reading of the Bible is all that is required.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 05:11:06 PM

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Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo. Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God. Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit. Roll Eyes

Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.

I'm Christian and because those others weak "Christians" I have to see this.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 05:06:55 PM

Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.

And that's my problem: christians believe in the Trinity while for the Jews the Trinity is considered polytheism.

How you will reply to our common big brothers "the Jews"?

Best regards.

The Jews more than anyone have the Bible. Nobody has to answer them. Since they won't accept the Bible that they have, they will have to answer God when He questions them at the last day.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 06:10:36 PM

If you believed and professed the things of the Bible rather than the things of the Pope, you would be more of a Pope than the Pope is, as well.

Saying what you are, or will be, without nobody telling that on you first is called pride.

Best regards.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 05:11:06 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 05:06:55 PM

Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.

And that's my problem: christians believe in the Trinity while for the Jews the Trinity is considered polytheism.

How you will reply to our common big brothers "the Jews"?

Best regards.

I'd say not all Christians believe in the trinity.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on October 13, 2015, 05:01:39 PM

Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 03:49:48 PM

They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 04:28:11 PM

I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.

Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo. Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God. Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit. Roll Eyes

Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.

Jesus is truly a man. The difference is that He is God as well. Your insolence is only your attempt to be a god among men.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 04:57:38 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 04:52:36 PM

You are welcome. But in this case, it isn't my view; it's God's view.

Since your Pope doesn't have God's view, I am more of a Pope than your Pope is.

When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
- Pro 11:2

No pride. Simply fact.

If you believed and professed the things of the Bible rather than the things of the Pope, you would be more of a Pope than the Pope is, as well.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on October 13, 2015, 05:01:39 PM

Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo. Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God. Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit. Roll Eyes

Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.

I'm Christian and because those others weak "Christians" I have to see this.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 05:06:55 PM

Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.

And that's my problem: christians believe in the Trinity while for the Jews the Trinity is considered polytheism.

How you will reply to our common big brothers "the Jews"?

Best regards.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on October 13, 2015, 05:01:39 PM

Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 03:49:48 PM

They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 04:28:11 PM

I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.

Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo. Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God. Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit. Roll Eyes

Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.

Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 03:49:48 PM

They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 04:28:11 PM

I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.

Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo. Roll Eyes

What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God. Tongue

Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)

You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit. Roll Eyes

Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 04:52:36 PM

You are welcome. But in this case, it isn't my view; it's God's view.

Since your Pope doesn't have God's view, I am more of a Pope than your Pope is.

When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
- Pro 11:2

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 04:49:22 PM

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 04:12:07 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 03:57:50 PM

If you look in the Old Testament, you will see that it was the people of Israel who asked for a king. God was even angry with them for asking for a king. Why? Because they rejected God as their king, and asked for an earthly man to be their king, just like all the other nations.

Could you point out where this is written? I thoughted it was the other way around: God told to put a King on Israel.

1 Samuel 8:6-9:

Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 04:12:07 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 13, 2015, 03:57:50 PM

Here you go, just like the people of Israel, asking for an earthly man to be your king. Stop rejecting God's authority as your king. Instead, get back to the Bible that God had written for you, rather than bowing down to your Pope king.

That's what happens when you go OT: you find people that think is right to destroy others people thoughts. (Personal note)

Best regards.
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Matthew 16:16-23:

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16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bee bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

In the Matthew quote, above, look at what Jesus based giving the Keys to Peter on. He based it on the good confession Peter made. Peter isn't the Rock that Jesus will base His church on. The good confession is the Rock.

Then look at verse 23. When Peter turned against Jesus, Jesus called Peter Satan.

The kingship is NOT the man Peter, or the Pope. The Kingship is the good confession according to the Bible. Any man or woman who has the good confession of the Bible is way better than any Pope who doesn't have the good confession.

Thank You for explaining your view.

Best regards.

You are welcome. But in this case, it isn't my view; it's God's view.

Since your Pope doesn't have God's view, I am more of a Pope than your Pope is.

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Quote from: BitNow on October 13, 2015, 04:37:06 PM

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on October 13, 2015, 04:28:11 PM

I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.

That's an answer and that explains why I'm here.

Best regards.
/OT

But you follow the pope, who's a human and who came "in his own name" and not in his Father's name when he went to the UN recently.

John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

Pope Comes to United Nations "In His Own Name" : John 5:43

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