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legendary
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October 24, 2015, 04:42:59 PM

God created the heaven and the earth, and us (men and women), and the animals and plants.

So: for you God is not offending this word.

Thank You for the explanation.



Have a nice evening.
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October 24, 2015, 04:40:17 PM

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

We do live in a time of great confusion, but that does not mean that people who are confused cannot find God and see clearly. They simply have to look with all of their hearts for the truth.

Define God.

In Italian God is the word Dio and means D+I (letter D + I).

So in italian, when I think about the word God I think about me on steroids.

What does it means God in English?

God created the heaven and the earth, and us (men and women), and the animals and plants.
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October 24, 2015, 04:36:38 PM

Not all of them. People change religions from time to time. There are stories of New Agers and Witches, and Satanists becoming Christians. It can happen from scientism and atheism too.

We live in time of great confusion.

How may I help you today?


Best regards.

I'd like to help you out. Which way did you come in?    Grin
legendary
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October 24, 2015, 04:34:08 PM

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

We do live in a time of great confusion, but that does not mean that people who are confused cannot find God and see clearly. They simply have to look with all of their hearts for the truth.

Define God.

In Italian God is the word Dio and means D+I (letter D + I).

So in italian, when I think about the word God I think about me on steroids.

What does it means God in English?
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October 24, 2015, 04:29:34 PM

Not all of them. People change religions from time to time. There are stories of New Agers and Witches, and Satanists becoming Christians. It can happen from scientism and atheism too.

We live in time of great confusion.

How may I help you today?


Best regards.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

We do live in a time of great confusion, but that does not mean that people who are confused cannot find God and see clearly. They simply have to look with all of their hearts for the truth.
legendary
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October 24, 2015, 04:26:04 PM

Not all of them. People change religions from time to time. There are stories of New Agers and Witches, and Satanists becoming Christians. It can happen from scientism and atheism too.

We live in time of great confusion.

How may I help you today?


Best regards.
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October 24, 2015, 04:23:09 PM
That's OT.

Lol. They hate religion for the same reasons. They don't believe in God and think those who do are stupid.

They are a dead end.

Not all of them. People change religions from time to time. There are stories of New Agers and Witches, and Satanists becoming Christians. It can happen from scientism and atheism too.
legendary
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October 24, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
That's OT.

Lol. They hate religion for the same reasons. They don't believe in God and think those who do are stupid.

They are a dead end.
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October 24, 2015, 04:19:16 PM

One sin is all it takes to need Jesus. All Jesus was saying is that it is difficult for people who focus on things other than Jesus salvation to be saved.

Jesus said "repent" and "follow my example", he never said "dump your wicked actions upon me; Jesus gives you salvation".

What in the world is meant by "Jesus salvation"? "Just believe and be saved"?? This doctrine is not Biblical and here is the PROOF:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there (where Jesus is going)", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

That's all correct. We don't dump. He takes.

Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.

God is in His kingdom. His kingdom is in me. I profess Jesus as Savior and Lord. God and His kingdom are upholding me in this profession.

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October 24, 2015, 04:15:43 PM

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.
YOU ARE A GOD? THEN TELL US HOW MANY MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE MOVED.

Possibly the best answer for this comes from Mark 11:22-25 where Jesus says:
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“Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”

People have a great amount of misunderstanding about this section. The reason is that they don't understand about the "sea." The "sea" that Jesus is speaking about, isn't the Sea of Galilee. It isn't the Mediterranean Sea. What sea is it? It is the sea spoken about in the Revelation. Look into it and you will find that, that sea is the sea of those people who don't believe in the God of the Bible...  the Triune God, which includes Jesus God.

Here is wisdom for you. Listen well.

"... If anyone says to this mountain ..." The mountain is your mountain of doubt and unbelief.

"Go, throw yourself into the sea." Throw your mountain of doubt and unbelief into the sea of unbelievers.

"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." Pray for help from God to throw your doubt to the sea of unbelievers so that you have it no longer.

"And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." There is one forgiveness. It is Jesus forgiveness. If you deny it for others, you deny the forgiveness. When you deny the forgiveness, you deny it for yourself.

Come on, 1aguar. Forgive yourself with the one forgiveness that exists, thereby moving your doubt into the sea, and moving yourself up out of that sea.

Smiley
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October 24, 2015, 04:00:08 PM
That's OT.

Lol. They hate religion for the same reasons. They don't believe in God and think those who do are stupid.
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October 24, 2015, 03:56:34 PM
I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

I am an atheist, and I hate organized religions (such as Wahhabi Islam, Evangelical and Catholic Christianity) which behave like cabals or mafias. Rather than blaming the people who use religion for their own advantage, we should blame the people who created this stupidity in the first place. A world without organized religion will be more peaceful and calm.

A world without organized religion would be a world without science and atheism.

Smiley
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October 24, 2015, 03:53:45 PM
Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.
No need to respond to my arguments above, BADecker, just go on your merry judgmental way posting more garbage; I really tire of it and that is why you are on my ignore list, but I have a few minutes to reply to you right now...

Don't you remember that Jesus paraphrased the place in the Old Testament where it says that we are gods if the Word of God comes to us?

If you think that Jesus was talking about the words of the Phoenix Journals as being the Word of God, He never spoke of it. Yet He frequently quoted or paraphrased the Old Testament.
Oh, so now you claim that GOD did not send more messengers? You say that only the OT and NT prophets are legitimate? That Jesus has no more lessons to give us besides the tampered writings now in existence? How would you KNOW that? By NOT READING??

If a person doesn't accept Jesus salvation, he will be dissolved in the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels. There isn't any Godness in that.
You are wrong about that; educated Christians disagree with you; by all means post your rebuttal here:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.
YOU ARE A GOD? THEN TELL US HOW MANY MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE MOVED.

Having troubles, aren't you. By your own teaching, if I follow the new commandment, to love my neighbor as myself, then I have the strength to be like a god. Then, if I as a god, attribute my godness to Jesus salvation, Jesus has been lifted higher than other people by me. And since there are millions of God fearing, right acting, new commandment loving, Christians who attribute their salvation to Jesus, then they along with me lift Jesus higher than all others. Thus, even by your own law, Jesus is the Savior, because by your law we have made Him the Savior.    Cheesy

The point? Bible teaching stands above all else. Even your own teaching suggests this by the above logic. Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Savior.

 Smiley
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October 24, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
Why do atheists not believe in God?

They have not searched for the truth with all of their heart. Many of them think the truth can be found from scientists, but some scientists have joined the scientism religion which means they will cling to their beliefs in the face of new data that shows it's wrong.

There are plenty of examples of this, such theories about there being no aether, the axis of evil that seems to conclude we're the center of the universe, not randomly placed here, etc.

So, if scientists will cling to their theories when the evidence doesn't show it to be true, that seems like a religion, to me. Not all scientists do this of course, only those who do should be labeled a part of scientism.

They believe in humans, over experiences. They will trust a scientist and believe they weren't lied to, over the their own experiences or their own trials/experiments, over their own theories.

People go along with authority and place these scientists and science books and science channels above themselves. They are ok with taking in what they hear without ever questioning it. They believe they can learn all the basics from them without questioning the data.

There was a study once done on children and sexuality from Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, there's even the Kinsey Institute today named after him.

"...Kinsey is widely regarded as the first major figure in American sexology; his research is cited as having paved the way for a deeper exploration into sexuality among sexologists and the general public, and as having liberated female sexuality.[21][22] For example, Kinsey's work disputed the notions that women generally are not sexual and that female orgasms experienced vaginally are superior to clitoral orgasms...." (wiki)

He was pretty famous, made the cover of Time, etc. His works paved the way for the porn industry, and our sex ed classes.

But he used prostitutes for his general womens sexuality, and prison inmates and asking them on their homosexual relations, as if that was a good sampling of men in the general public, and of course he paid pedophiles to rape young children for his studies on children's sexuality. There's an excellent video on it here:  Alfred Kinsey - Sexual revolution

So I think it's safe to say we shouldn't always take researchers words on the way studies are done or how important the findings are if it's not a good sampling. Of course our culture is now based on his ideas.

Most men and women do not know who they are. Our society has brainwashed us with ideas like the hyper sexuality of today is natural.

Since people are brainwashed as they grow up into thinking some sins that they want to do are normal, and what people are born to do, they think there's nothing wrong with it.

People these days grow up thinking there's nothing wrong with sin, society says so, and they know religions may tell you not to do it, because it's "wrong", but they want to sin, so they believe society and the scientists and stars of hollywood or reality shows, who all say it's totally natural, do what you feel like (which is actually the only rule for satanism).

People don't want to be labeled as ignorant, stupid, backwards thinking, or crazy, like they believe people who believe in a God are.

So they never ask, with the innocence of a child who hasn't been brainwashed, what is really going on here? What's life all about, is their a God?

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 'I will be found by you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.'

Those who do not look, will never find. You don't know yourself (you see your sin and temptations as you, but they're not who you are), you don't know the Lord (because you haven't looked for Him with your whole heart), so you hate and despise the Lord but love yourself. (because you give in to sin and believe the lie that it's the way you were meant to be).

Jesus didn't come to judge the world, our sin already judges us. He came to save us from our sin.

John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free '?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

That's OT.
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October 24, 2015, 03:47:22 PM
I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

I am an atheist, and I hate organized religions (such as Wahhabi Islam, Evangelical and Catholic Christianity) which behave like cabals or mafias. Rather than blaming the people who use religion for their own advantage, we should blame the people who created this stupidity in the first place. A world without organized religion will be more peaceful and calm.

Well, I guess that adults that have imaginary friends must be stupid. There seems no way around that.

Organized religion is basically a protection racket. You play ball (which of course includes money, it´s always very much about money) or go to hell. In our time they can´t use coercion such as torture and murder anymore so of course it´s a dying scam.
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October 24, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
Atheists were just jealous on Priests that can touch those underage boys and girls.
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October 24, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Why do atheists not believe in God?

They have not searched for the truth with all of their heart. Many of them think the truth can be found from scientists, but some scientists have joined the scientism religion which means they will cling to their beliefs in the face of new data that shows it's wrong.

There are plenty of examples of this, such theories about there being no aether, the axis of evil that seems to conclude we're the center of the universe, not randomly placed here, etc.

So, if scientists will cling to their theories when the evidence doesn't show it to be true, that seems like a religion, to me. Not all scientists do this of course, only those who do should be labeled a part of scientism.

They believe in humans, over experiences. They will trust a scientist and believe they weren't lied to, over the their own experiences or their own trials/experiments, over their own theories.

People go along with authority and place these scientists and science books and science channels above themselves. They are ok with taking in what they hear without ever questioning it. They believe they can learn all the basics from them without questioning the data.

There was a study once done on children and sexuality from Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, there's even the Kinsey Institute today named after him.

"...Kinsey is widely regarded as the first major figure in American sexology; his research is cited as having paved the way for a deeper exploration into sexuality among sexologists and the general public, and as having liberated female sexuality.[21][22] For example, Kinsey's work disputed the notions that women generally are not sexual and that female orgasms experienced vaginally are superior to clitoral orgasms...." (wiki)

He was pretty famous, made the cover of Time, etc. His works paved the way for the porn industry, and our sex ed classes.

But he used prostitutes for his general womens sexuality, and prison inmates and asking them on their homosexual relations, as if that was a good sampling of men in the general public, and of course he paid pedophiles to rape young children for his studies on children's sexuality. There's an excellent video on it here:  Alfred Kinsey - Sexual revolution

So I think it's safe to say we shouldn't always take researchers words on the way studies are done or how important the findings are if it's not a good sampling. Of course our culture is now based on his ideas.

Most men and women do not know who they are. Our society has brainwashed us with ideas like the hyper sexuality of today is natural.

Since people are brainwashed as they grow up into thinking some sins that they want to do are normal, and what people are born to do, they think there's nothing wrong with it.

People these days grow up thinking there's nothing wrong with sin, society says so, and they know religions may tell you not to do it, because it's "wrong", but they want to sin, so they believe society and the scientists and stars of hollywood or reality shows, who all say it's totally natural, do what you feel like (which is actually the only rule for satanism).

People don't want to be labeled as ignorant, stupid, backwards thinking, or crazy, like they believe people who believe in a God are.

So they never ask, with the innocence of a child who hasn't been brainwashed, what is really going on here? What's life all about, is their a God?

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 'I will be found by you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.'

Those who do not look, will never find. You don't know yourself (you see your sin and temptations as you, but they're not who you are), you don't know the Lord (because you haven't looked for Him with your whole heart), so you hate and despise the Lord but love yourself. (because you give in to sin and believe the lie that it's the way you were meant to be).

Jesus didn't come to judge the world, our sin already judges us. He came to save us from our sin.

John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free '?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
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October 24, 2015, 04:26:53 AM
I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

I am an atheist, and I hate organized religions (such as Wahhabi Islam, Evangelical and Catholic Christianity) which behave like cabals or mafias. Rather than blaming the people who use religion for their own advantage, we should blame the people who created this stupidity in the first place. A world without organized religion will be more peaceful and calm.
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October 24, 2015, 02:15:34 AM

One sin is all it takes to need Jesus. All Jesus was saying is that it is difficult for people who focus on things other than Jesus salvation to be saved.

Jesus said "repent" and "follow my example", he never said "dump your wicked actions upon me; Jesus gives you salvation".

What in the world is meant by "Jesus salvation"? "Just believe and be saved"?? This doctrine is not Biblical and here is the PROOF:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there (where Jesus is going)", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.
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October 24, 2015, 02:01:45 AM
Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.
No need to respond to my arguments above, BADecker, just go on your merry judgmental way posting more garbage; I really tire of it and that is why you are on my ignore list, but I have a few minutes to reply to you right now...

Don't you remember that Jesus paraphrased the place in the Old Testament where it says that we are gods if the Word of God comes to us?

If you think that Jesus was talking about the words of the Phoenix Journals as being the Word of God, He never spoke of it. Yet He frequently quoted or paraphrased the Old Testament.
Oh, so now you claim that GOD did not send more messengers? You say that only the OT and NT prophets are legitimate? That Jesus has no more lessons to give us besides the tampered writings now in existence? How would you KNOW that? By NOT READING??

If a person doesn't accept Jesus salvation, he will be dissolved in the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels. There isn't any Godness in that.
You are wrong about that; educated Christians disagree with you; by all means post your rebuttal here:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.
YOU ARE A GOD? THEN TELL US HOW MANY MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE MOVED.
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