Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 341. (Read 901367 times)

Is Grandma still alive?

What I mean is, for thousands of years the Phoenix Journals were silent, never divulging themselves to anyone. Most people understood that some deity existed. Several major religions dominated the world. Then, along comes the Phoenix Journals starting a few years ago if that.

Your stupid PJs exist now, having allowed thousands of years to go by without proclaiming any truth to anybody. Now they try to jump in and say that they are something great. How advantageous for you sales people, marketing bull crap like the PJs.

But you gotta make your money somehow, right?

Wow, how convenient! No need to think, just believe that all of history aligns to your worldview and your magical thinking.

Contrast this wishful thinking with Phoenix Journals which were scribed very recently;
Fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.  There probably has NEVER been a scribe so well connected — including all of the great ones acknowledged in all of the holy books.

Introduction to the writings:
 http://phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

Scholars didn't get into God's mind to see that He wanted that ending in there, so He had it added later.

Scholars agree that the ending of Mark was added to the gospel of Mark long after the gospel of Mark was written, it was added by man, so this alone proves that part of the bible was written by man, therefore it cannot be an impossible book, i.e. one written entirely by GOD.

There are the Bible witnesses about Jesus. Evidence and witness to the miracles that no man could do without being in partnership with God.

It might take a while for you to understand how the 3 laws of science show that God exists, and it might take some study to show that the Bible can't exist because of the way that it came about. But this is an important topic in life. It is a life and death thing... eternal life and death.

So, it would be to your benefit to double check things in detail.

Again this all can not be proven or dis proven.

It is said that the Bible is the word of god.   But this may or may not be true.  People believe in it. But doesn't make it true.  It could be just simply stories as some people call them.  Like a living journal of the times or just a book full of stories picked.  Not saying it isn't true but.  No one knows for sure. and this goes same for 2. and 3.

You can deny or not deny.  But either way doesnt make any of it true.  There is no proof that jesus is son of god or that even a god creator exists.

And depending on what you mean by mankind can save themselves without outside help.  This could be true as well.  Someone stated that we were given free will and the ability to choose our outcome.  If this is so.  We would be able to save ourselves.  Depends on outlook.  How someone preceives this.  It would depend on the choices we make and how we as a society work together.  Unless you mean that outside help being god.

All depends on what you believe in and how you want to see things.

 

There are three easy ways to prove that the Journals are at least a fraud, but may be demonic.
1. They deny the Bible as the Word of God;
2. They deny Jesus as the Son of God, thereby being God, Himself;
3. They profess that mankind can save themselves without any outside help.

Strong evidence makes for a strong case. If it were spelled out for us, it would be fact and we would not have to believe. We would know.

Nobody knows for a fact that the 3 laws I science that I mentioned are absolute laws in the universe. But they are so strong that they are held as laws. Strong evidence. Very strong evidence.

The bible and the teachings of the one labeled "jesus" are explained in the phoenix journals, these books contain the truth that we were promised for the end times. BADecker and MMH both say that these writings are demonic, but how can they say this if they have not even read a single Journal? Like I said, they condemn these writings in ignorance because they fear to lose control.

In the journals, three big lies are exposed including 1) "jesus"="savior", 2) Darwin's theory, 3) integrity of the bible.

There is one God.


Thank You.

This is what I was thinking.   Do you believe in god or do you believe in god the science guy.

You must have posted just before I did.

This is your belief. Doesnt mean it is true.   This is the whole point that I am trying to make.  All of this is all based on belief.  What you believe and other believe.

Its perfectly fine to believe in something.  Everyone does.  But because someone believes in something doesn't make it true.  And there is no proof that it is or it isnt.

First of all, there is ONE God over all. That's the one I believe in. Why do I believe when I know? I believe because there is a lot I don't understand about Him.

We have gone all over the place in this thread. So, I will state that I believe the Christian perspective, that is the Bible perspective, on God. I believe that the Bible is a miracle as to how it came into existence. The way the Bible came into existence, and the other facts about it, just couldn't have happened without Divine guidance.

So what is your stance on the whole religion thing, then?

I understand that you believe in a god, but which one?
Rather, which one do you think exists?

Again, the 3 laws of science prove that God exists. They are:
1. cause and effect;
2. universal complexity;
3. universal entropy.

These three laws along with the fact that the universe exists, show that a Creator made the whole thing. The creator matches the definition of the word God.

God didn't mess up on anything. He made people perfect. He gave freedom to mankind. He instructed mankind as to how and how not to use his freedom if he wanted to live successfully. Mankind decided to use his freedom in destructive ways. Then God through much pain and grief, figured out a way to give mankind salvation from man's own self-destruction. Now, we have some people accepting the salvation, while others are denying it.

Doesn't sound like a bad or messed up God to me. Keep on rejecting His salvation for you if you want. But realize that it is you who is doing the rejecting, not God. God is constantly offering.

The problem is where is the proof that God was the creator?  That is just written and believed.  But it isn't necessarily true.  Its just a belief.

But if he is the creator.  He has, as I said before, a wicked sense of humor.

Obliviously he messed up on humans.  We are way to twisted and like to destroy things.  The way people look at him and talk about him.  You woudl have thunk (haha) he would have made us perfect.  Well He was WAY off.

There may be evidence that supports rebirth.  Which could be as simple as the transfer of energy.  All living things and all non living things have some sort of energy associated with them.  Brings you back to quantum physics.  We know hardly anything about it.  But people try to understand it.  Rebirth could simply be -being in the right place at the right time-.  May not have anything to do with religion at all.  Energy seems to be limit less.  There is and always will be energy.  Just in the way it is used is the question.  There have been photographs taken during the death of humans which show some sort of energy being released during death.  But there is no proof that it has anything to do with religion.

If you believe in the parallels then simply put spirits that people tend to see may not be spirits at all but a bleed threw of another parallel.  How do you explain things that are not there but have been seen?  Not just spirits but meaning solid matter.  Building, cities, towns, some in which have been recorded to be seen but then never exist.  The Burmuda Triangle (yes i am referring to this because no one knows).  Thousands of people have simply vanished, planes, ships, others have flown threw there and had there instruments go insane and others they stopped working all together.  There have been pilots who have seen ships and other planes and there were a few instances where there have been head on collisions but nothing happened.  The US Navy and Airforce have all had occurrences that were unexplainable. Sounds funny or weird doesn't it.  But threw out history there have been many many instances that could not be explained.  

Anyways I got a little of track I know.

Anything and everything has an explanation.  But no one can say for sure that religion or a God has anything to do with it.

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Very astute observation.
I might add that these three beliefs are big ones that have yet to be proven:
1) "Jesus" is the savior of humanity and you only need to accept him to "enter heaven".
2) Darwin's theory, since it is based on three fallacious “gaps” in reasoning that were pointed out in 1873 and remain unchanged to this day, as explained here: http://www.lloydpye.com/essay_interventiontheory.htm
3) Integrity of the Bible.
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And this is all so true.  None has ever been proven.
Now I hope I am not bashed for anything I say.  This is just how I see it.  And I do not look down on anyone who believes.  As everyone is there own person.

Figured I would add that so you all know im not against anyone.

I can not say that one man is the savior for all.  As  that hasn't been proven.  There are also thousands of others who have died in the same manor as jesus did but he is the only savior.  How did we know for sure or what makes people think that he was the son of god?  No one can prove it.  
There were stories that he fed thousands with little, he walked on water, or did things the average person could not.  Which could be true.  Or he way back then was gifted in another way.  Doesn't really mean or prove that he was the son of god.  There have been many who have done things that could be said to be a miracle or the alike.  But no one said that they were the son of god.

There are so many questions that go unanswered.  Things we do not know.  Things people want to know.  Some of my words may sounds funny or strange to some.  But what we do not know we can not simply write off as being something else because we do not know.  This isnt the way things should work but often the way they do.

I sometimes wonder how many people are in a mental institution because they hear voices or say they can time travel.  Who is to really say they cant.  Maybe the voices they hear are being picked from another parallel.  Who is to say the time travelers really do not travel threw time in there minds.  There have been patients that have said things that they have seen and then they actually happened.  Things that could not have been seen without some sort of knowing or some sort of travel.  There have been scientists who have studied these behaviors.  None has been proven but non has been dis-proven either.  These people may just be more in-tune with other worlds as some call it.

How can you explain Dejavu(Spelling ?)?  Is this our way of time travel that gets clouded by our subconscious?  Maybe everything we see and feel.  Has already been done.  Just maybe you know the outcome because we have already lived in this time and have yet to catch with our other selves.  Who is to really know for sure.
Chinese mathematicians, I want to say 2 months ago or so mathematically proved that what we see and what we live is a sort of hologram. A projection of another space or time. Which may explain Dejavu(again spelling).  Something we have seen already as we are living the tail of the projected life.  We see because we are still connected with the projection from another time.  I know it all sounds strange but it is ad can be possible.  We just do not know for sure.

There is just no way to actually prove it.  Even if you were to.  How many people would actually believe it.  There is always skeptics and there is always people who live on what they see and what they hear.

I know I have gotten a little of topic.  The point was.  Things go unexplained everyday.  Things that people overlook and write off as something else.  I think everyone should believe in something but do not write it off as something it isn't because you can not believe or prove it.  Saying that all miracles are religion based, to me makes religion a lie.  Even if thousands believe its the truth.  Doesn't make it the truth.  

So religion could simply be based on a lie.  Pretend to be something it really isn't.

Please don't flame me.   Just saying how I see it and how most looks to me.  And believe me when I say this I am not alone. Others think the same way.  Prolly more then you think really.

Ok im done for now.  Just to many questions that go unanswered and some can be strange.  Depends on who looks at it.  But again doest make it have anything to do with religion.

And I by no means believe in half the things I state.  Just that it is possible. We do not know.  Im just not going to pin it on religion or people being insane.

Having reasonable hope in one's self IS having hope in God. After all, it is God Who has made everything. He has given people their abilities. When they use their abilites hoping to produce some result, they are using what God has placed them. Hope in God, and hope in the things that God has placed into existence. However, do not hope beyond the abilities that God has placed in you.

You are right. However it would depend on the person. Some people have hope.  But not in god but in themselves.  Some do however put all there hope and faith in god.  I live day to day and take what I see i need.  Everything else is earned.  But I can not say that it came from god.  Because I really don't know if it did.  As far as I know it came from an alien 3 solar systems away.  You just really do not know.

Love  the pic and I agree.   I find religious debates to be fun.  I enter my opinion and watch the rest.

Thank you.  Appreciate the comment.