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September 08, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Watching a documentary about yet another religion of crackpots;

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32412212

Now tell me, do we have reasons to love religion?
But there's a catch, a good Atheist will unlike or hate religion(s), not people. They're separate things, the same people without religion can be good people, the issue is often the religion itself and its doctrines.

That's the point: atheists do not Love.

Love is a sentiment coming from Faith.

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unfortunately, i dont hate any of them they have what they believe is right. but of course atheists hate religion, coz they dont believe it

Atheists hate because that is what happens when you cannot Love.

Love is a sentiment coming from Faith: you cannot love if you don't have Faith.
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September 08, 2015, 11:36:37 AM
There's no other definition for atheism other than "disbelief in God".
I understand however, and we often come to a clash with what I call "American Atheism", AA's seams to imply some oddities to Atheism, such as same sex marriage, abortion, gay rights and a whole load of dogmatic crap that is alien to Atheism, basically they want to input a sort of leftist view or "caviar-leftism" to Atheism.

Doctrines are bad by definition, because ANY course of action can be either good or bad based upon its context. Doctrine and dogmatic views always follow irrational responses by ignoring this factor.
In other words what's good for me may not be good for you and vice-versa, and what may be good today may be bad tomorrow.

And please! Stop with "falsehoods" and "Messiahs"! That sounds so irrational! Specially taken that you're talking of a religion made by Romans some 100 years after the supposed Jesus existed, if he ever did.
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September 08, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
You've "factual evidence" of nothing and atheism has no doctrines.

Come now. Just because I haven't sat down and explained clearly why the 3 laws prove God exists, doesn't mean that they don't prove such. I have explained in other posts clearly enough that one can explain it to himself if he wants. I would rather you use your ability to think than lay it out completely for you.

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The first great doctrine of atheism is that God (supreme being) does not exist. The second is that atheism is not a religion. Following that are many of the scientific theories that are held by atheists as laws of nature. Because these are held as truths, they are doctrines to the holder.

For example. There is a sect of atheism that holds that the Big Bang is law, when in reality it is theory (not fact), and probably could never be proven at all even if it HAD HAPPENED.

The reason atheists need something like the Big Bang is (even though they are mostly ignorant of it because they hide it from themselves), atheists, like everyone else, don't know for a fact anything about their future. Because of this, they build up all kinds of limited and temporary fantasies in their mind about what they think will happen. Their fantasies are their doctrines, just as formally religious people have doctrines, while all the while each individual's doctrine is slightly (or greatly) different from the individual doctrine of anyone else.

It all has to do with the weakness that we all have when trying to predict the future. We think that we would have security if we had control. The atheists try to gain control by making themselves the authority (supreme being) and then try to go about eliminating the supreme being (themselves) in their minds by upholding atheism.

Atheism is the most pathetic religion around. It doesn't even deserve to be a religion. But, by its attributes, definitely is one.

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The important thing that comes from the Bible is the message of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. All who believe in the salvation of Jesus, through His death on the cross and His resurrection to eternal life, will receive eternal life from Him. Those people will be raised from death at the last day to live forever.

The rest of the info in the Bible is all there to back up this most important thing... the salvation that is there for as many as will receive it.

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September 08, 2015, 10:32:20 AM
You've "factual evidence" of nothing and atheism has no doctrines.

Come now. Just because I haven't sat down and explained clearly why the 3 laws prove God exists, doesn't mean that they don't prove such. I have explained in other posts clearly enough that one can explain it to himself if he wants. I would rather you use your ability to think than lay it out completely for you.

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The first great doctrine of atheism is that God (supreme being) does not exist. The second is that atheism is not a religion. Following that are many of the scientific theories that are held by atheists as laws of nature. Because these are held as truths, they are doctrines to the holder.

For example. There is a sect of atheism that holds that the Big Bang is law, when in reality it is theory (not fact), and probably could never be proven at all even if it HAD HAPPENED.

The reason atheists need something like the Big Bang is (even though they are mostly ignorant of it because they hide it from themselves), atheists, like everyone else, don't know for a fact anything about their future. Because of this, they build up all kinds of limited and temporary fantasies in their mind about what they think will happen. Their fantasies are their doctrines, just as formally religious people have doctrines, while all the while each individual's doctrine is slightly (or greatly) different from the individual doctrine of anyone else.

It all has to do with the weakness that we all have when trying to predict the future. We think that we would have security if we had control. The atheists try to gain control by making themselves the authority (supreme being) and then try to go about eliminating the supreme being (themselves) in their minds by upholding atheism.

Atheism is the most pathetic religion around. It doesn't even deserve to be a religion. But, by its attributes, definitely is one.

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September 08, 2015, 10:31:47 AM
You're mistaken Atheism by some sort of "belief in science".
Not at all. I am simply using science as an example. Whatever anyone does in life, he does because he believes that it is the correct way to live. It is his religion, be it science or anything else.


And there's no such thing as "Big Bang law", it's a theory.
Exactly what I was hoping you would understand that I was saying.


Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, just that, nothing else, doesn't imply a shred of belief on anything, scientific or otherwise, and has absolutely no doctrine.
However, that is not what the dictionary definition is.

You could look at it from an animal's point of view. A more intelligent animal holds the general understanding that mankind is greater than it is. Mankind is a deity in the eyes of animals, even though they don't express it that way. Atheists try to become less than the animals by attempting to say that there is no supreme being. Since animals can't think like that, it becomes self-evident that mankind (if not Something even greater) is the supreme being.


Doctrines are irrational actions based upon political views or religion, regardless if the conditions when those actions can be considered good or not.
Exactly the thing that I am saying regarding atheism and atheists.

However, many scientists hold to certain scientific fact in such a way that everything they do is based on such fact. It is part of their doctrine to do things like this. Some fact is doctrine to those who use it regularly.


For an instance, the Communist doctrine aims a lot at a sort of factory worker that doesn't exist anymore, yet because they take Marx and Lenin as doctrine they don't change.
Likewise, in the Middle Eastern religions there's a doctrine against eating pork, this makes perfect sense as hogs takes too much a water, a scarce good at the region. The same idea at mid-Europe would be senseless.
The fact that some doctrine is based on falsehood (like atheism), doesn't mean that all doctrine is based on falsehood.


Atheists are more akin to think rationally and try to analyze the decision/consequences factor to determine the course of action.

If atheists could think rationally, they would look up the definition of "atheism," apply it to themselves, and see that atheism is a complete lie. As it is, they would rather believe the lie, making atheism a religion just like many of the other religions around the world that hang onto falsehood.

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September 08, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
@popcorn1

Please keep all your replies in one post.

Multiple replies in multiple posts is considered SPAM.

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I gave you the simple definition of atheism and atheist. All the rest of the definitions suggest the same meaning, although many of them do it with an abundance of words.

Since I also showed you that, even if there happened to be no God, the atheist himself is the supreme being he is trying to deny, all you jokers are doing is batting at the air... air that you happen to attach words to, because words are easy.

Since I also showed you that God exists through 3 common scientific laws, atheism is a complete nullity. All that atheists want to do is make noise to prove they are something. But you jokers don't have to do this. God knows you are there, and He accepts you. Now accept Him.

Too bad for you atheist jokers. There isn't anything there in you. And there won't be until you start to accept the fact that God exists.

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Yes and I did agree with you with the definition of atheism being the one in the Oxford dictionary:
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Definition of atheism in English:
noun
[mass noun]
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Ref: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism

What are you rattling about?


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September 08, 2015, 10:22:16 AM
i think,because they (atheis) dont care to religious person,but religious person care to them. they hate that condition.
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September 08, 2015, 10:17:18 AM
As what I have learned Atheist doesn't hate religion. They just don't like the idea of having a so-called-religion where they are force to worship someone they don't believe.

I was born as a Catholic and before I actually thought the same way atheist believe.

Nobody can force you to worship one way or another. The closest they can come is to brainwash you. But if they don't continually reinforce their brainwashing, you will revert to your own religious beliefs over time.

When someone attempts to force you to worship such a way, he isn't really. You might go through the acts of specified worship, but you aren't really worshiping unless you are.

It's like a hostage situation. The people who take you hostage may give you a choice. They may tell you to remain as a hostage or die. What you do is up to you.

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September 08, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
You're mistaken Atheism by some sort of "belief in science".
And there's no such thing as "Big Bang law", it's a theory.

Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, just that, nothing else, doesn't imply a shred of belief on anything, scientific or otherwise, and has absolutely no doctrine.
Doctrines are irrational actions based upon political views or religion, regardless if the conditions when those actions can be considered good or not.
For an instance, the Communist doctrine aims a lot at a sort of factory worker that doesn't exist anymore, yet because they take Marx and Lenin as doctrine they don't change.
Likewise, in the Middle Eastern religions there's a doctrine against eating pork, this makes perfect sense as hogs takes too much a water, a scarce good at the region. The same idea at mid-Europe would be senseless.

Atheists are more akin to think rationally and try to analyze the decision/consequences factor to determine the course of action.
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September 08, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
As what I have learned Atheist doesn't hate religion. They just don't like the idea of having a so-called-religion where they are force to worship someone they don't believe.

I was born as a Catholic and before I actually thought the same way atheist believe.
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September 08, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
You've "factual evidence" of nothing and atheism has no doctrines.

Come now. Just because I haven't sat down and explained clearly why the 3 laws prove God exists, doesn't mean that they don't prove such. I have explained in other posts clearly enough that one can explain it to himself if he wants. I would rather you use your ability to think than lay it out completely for you.

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The first great doctrine of atheism is that God (supreme being) does not exist. The second is that atheism is not a religion. Following that are many of the scientific theories that are held by atheists as laws of nature. Because these are held as truths, they are doctrines to the holder.

For example. There is a sect of atheism that holds that the Big Bang is law, when in reality it is theory (not fact), and probably could never be proven at all even if it HAD HAPPENED.

The reason atheists need something like the Big Bang is (even though they are mostly ignorant of it because they hide it from themselves), atheists, like everyone else, don't know for a fact anything about their future. Because of this, they build up all kinds of limited and temporary fantasies in their mind about what they think will happen. Their fantasies are their doctrines, just as formally religious people have doctrines, while all the while each individual's doctrine is slightly (or greatly) different from the individual doctrine of anyone else.

It all has to do with the weakness that we all have when trying to predict the future. We think that we would have security if we had control. The atheists try to gain control by making themselves the authority (supreme being) and then try to go about eliminating the supreme being (themselves) in their minds by upholding atheism.

Atheism is the most pathetic religion around. It doesn't even deserve to be a religion. But, by its attributes, definitely is one.

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September 08, 2015, 08:21:57 AM
You've "factual evidence" of nothing and atheism has no doctrines.
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September 08, 2015, 08:17:44 AM
unfortunately, i dont hate any of them they have what they believe is right. but of course atheists hate religion, coz they dont believe it

Sorry to disagree with that! That sort of sentence is what religious people use to play victim!
The problem relies on doctrines. You see, isn't the "I believe in this" the problem, it's the "because I believe in this then YOU must do that (or else)".
Nobody cares about belief itself.

The important point that atheism revolves around, is the idea that God exists. Now that I have shown that God factually exists with the 3 scientific laws, cause and effect, universal entropy, universal complexity, all that is left for atheism is to argue about its own doctrine.

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September 08, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
A full member, now. Its name is popcorn1. Starting to sound more and more like Decksperiment with every post.

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Cleverly ridiculous.

Most atheists are so caught up in the thing that they believe, that they don't even realize that it is a religion. And if somebody tells the about it, they would rather ignore it than Google it. But if they Google it and find out it is true, they would rather lie about it, and try to hide the fact rather than embrace the truth.

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September 08, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
unfortunately, i dont hate any of them they have what they believe is right. but of course atheists hate religion, coz they dont believe it

Sorry to disagree with that! That sort of sentence is what religious people use to play victim!
The problem relies on doctrines. You see, isn't the "I believe in this" the problem, it's the "because I believe in this then YOU must do that (or else)".
Nobody cares about belief itself.
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September 08, 2015, 01:55:00 AM
unfortunately, i dont hate any of them they have what they believe is right. but of course atheists hate religion, coz they dont believe it
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September 07, 2015, 08:47:31 PM
Watching a documentary about yet another religion of crackpots;

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32412212

Now tell me, do we have reasons to love religion?
But there's a catch, a good Atheist will unlike or hate religion(s), not people. They're separate things, the same people without religion can be good people, the issue is often the religion itself and its doctrines.
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September 07, 2015, 08:42:22 PM
Empiricism, the epistemological foundation for science, is the theory that knowledge is only derived from empirical/physical phenomena.  However, empiricism carries non-empirical assumptions, e.g. observation has no causal effect on physical reality.

The problem with an empirical methodology wielding non-empirical assumptions is that this means the assumptions are derived elsewhere.  In this case, that "elsewhere" is philosophical.  But, if we assume this non-empirical assumption to be valid, then we concede that knowledge must also derive from outside empiricism, i.e. outside science.

Yes, science works, and yes it produces technology that improves convenience and quality of life.  That, however, does not mean it is the best source of knowledge in all cases, and we know this especially because science doesn't work without its philosophical and mathematical underpinnings.



I didn't replied to your post because your nick: "the joint"

I was told all my life that people do not believe me because I was high: now it's your turn.


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em·pir·i·cism
əmˈpirəˌsizəm/
nounPHILOSOPHY
the theory that all knowledge is derived from sense-experience. Stimulated by the rise of experimental science, it developed in the 17th and 18th centuries, expounded in particular by John Locke, George Berkeley, and David Hume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science#Observation_inseparable_from_theory

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Although it is often taken for granted, it is not at all clear how one can infer the validity of a general statement from a number of specific instances or infer the truth of a theory from a series of successful tests.[12] For example, a chicken observes that each morning the farmer comes and gives it food, for hundreds of days in a row. The chicken may therefore use inductive reasoning to infer that the farmer will bring food every morning. However, one morning, the farmer comes and kills the chicken. How is scientific reasoning more trustworthy than the chicken's reasoning?

Any argument in favor of induction must avoid the problem of the criterion, in which any justification must in turn be justified, resulting in an infinite regress. The regress argument has been used to justify one way out of the infinite regress, foundationalism. Foundationalism claims that there are some basic statements that do not require justification. Both induction and falsification are forms of foundationalism in that they rely on basic statements that derive directly from immediate sensory experience.

Another approach is to acknowledge that induction cannot achieve certainty, but observing more instances of a general statement can at least make the general statement more probable.

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All observation involves both perception and cognition. That is, one does not make an observation passively, but rather is actively engaged in distinguishing the phenomenon being observed from surrounding sensory data. Therefore, observations are affected by one's underlying understanding of the way in which the world functions, and that understanding may influence what is perceived, noticed, or deemed worthy of consideration. In this sense, it can be argued that all observation is theory-laden.

Moreover, most scientific observation must be done within a theoretical context in order to be useful. For example, when one observes a measured increase in temperature with a thermometer, that observation is based on assumptions about the nature of temperature and its measurement, as well as assumptions about how the thermometer functions. Such assumptions are necessary in order to obtain scientifically useful observations (such as, "the temperature increased by two degrees").
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September 07, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Empiricism, the epistemological foundation for science, is the theory that knowledge is only derived from empirical/physical phenomena.  However, empiricism carries non-empirical assumptions, e.g. observation has no causal effect on physical reality.

The problem with an empirical methodology wielding non-empirical assumptions is that this means the assumptions are derived elsewhere.  In this case, that "elsewhere" is philosophical.  But, if we assume this non-empirical assumption to be valid, then we concede that knowledge must also derive from outside empiricism, i.e. outside science.

Yes, science works, and yes it produces technology that improves convenience and quality of life.  That, however, does not mean it is the best source of knowledge in all cases, and we know this especially because science doesn't work without its philosophical and mathematical underpinnings.



I didn't replied to your post because your nick: "the joint"

I was told all my life that people do not believe me because I was high: now it's your turn.


Thank You and best regards.
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September 07, 2015, 05:13:16 PM
I'm an Atheist. I don't hate religions. I just believe in science that's all. But what I realized is that many wars, conflicts happened and still happen because of different religions. This is silly!!
I have friends who are jews, christians (catholic, evangelic orthodox), moslems. None of them asked me why I'm not religious. But from time to time they're arguing with each other and I'm just sitting there and shaking my head.

Science works, but 'how' and 'why' does it work?  Unfortunately, science will forever lack the means to answer these questions as the scientific method lacks the ability to explore and comment about real-but-abstract phenomena, e.g. mathematical principles governing physics in general, or the act of perception from which scientific knowledge can be inferred.  Because science cannot explore anything universal enough whose properties distribute to everything, it will never be a source of complete understanding, let alone a complete theory of knowledge in general.
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most of your life revolves around science..you would not be typing on this thread if not for science..
tell me 1 invention that has come out of the bible or any religious books..
the good thing about science is we always learn more and more useful information that can make our lives better..
So how will it make our lives better by reading the bible ..what will we discover that will benefit mankind..
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OK lets say we had no science would your life be better or worse.. I will tell you no running hot baths
no phone no telly no cars i could go on for ages what science as invented..

OK lets say we never had religion would your life be better or worse.. my life would be better or no worse because the bible serves no purpose but tells you how to be a better person ..which you should already know because you have feelings and emotions  Grin Grin

So before you call out SCIENCE..think of all the everyday stuff you use that was invented because of science..DUMBASS RELIGIOUS FREAKS..

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Empiricism, the epistemological foundation for science, is the theory that knowledge is only derived from empirical/physical phenomena.  However, empiricism carries non-empirical assumptions, e.g. observation has no causal effect on physical reality.

The problem with an empirical methodology wielding non-empirical assumptions is that this means the assumptions are derived elsewhere.  In this case, that "elsewhere" is philosophical.  But, if we assume this non-empirical assumption to be valid, then we concede that knowledge must also derive from outside empiricism, i.e. outside science.

Yes, science works, and yes it produces technology that improves convenience and quality of life.  That, however, does not mean it is the best source of knowledge in all cases, and we know this especially because science doesn't work without its philosophical and mathematical underpinnings.

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