Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 378. (Read 901367 times)
Maybe because they do not believe on the existence of God? Well, that's only what i can think of though
Have a read here:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Since you made reference to the bolded part above, does that mean that you think that some people SHOULD hate religion? Or were you only stating that you believe it is impractical to think that the world could ever exist without some people hating religion?
A person who hates religion has a religion of hate against religion. This means that he hates himself or his own beliefs, though probably he doesn't realize it.
Do I believe that some people should hate religion? The answer is no.
People have feelings, and those feeling must be directed at something, even if the direction that those feelings take is a mistaken one.
As an example, sometime ago I read an article about a trend in Japan, in which young men “marry” digital characters. While this will seem odd (at best) the truth of the matter is that people feel love, and that love is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
Hate is the same. Hate is a feeling that is there and is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
I hope that this clarifies my posture.
That's the problem with atheism. Atheism tends to look in the wrong places for answers.
Look to God, because God provided for people in the earth in every way that we need. He will provide in the future, and has provided for future provisions even though we don't see it.
Atheists can't do this... look to God. They don't understand What and Who God is for them.
NO WE DON.T WE WANT PROOF THEN WE BELIEVE
i got a lift off a dragon last night to the shops..do you believe me WHY NOT
:-\its the truth 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFKByGuxETc
science not god good watch
Oh how silly you are. Atheists can't even understand proof when it is shoved right into their faces. If they could, they would stop being atheists.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Since you made reference to the bolded part above, does that mean that you think that some people SHOULD hate religion? Or were you only stating that you believe it is impractical to think that the world could ever exist without some people hating religion?
A person who hates religion has a religion of hate against religion. This means that he hates himself or his own beliefs, though probably he doesn't realize it.
Do I believe that some people should hate religion? The answer is no.
People have feelings, and those feeling must be directed at something, even if the direction that those feelings take is a mistaken one.
As an example, sometime ago I read an article about a trend in Japan, in which young men “marry” digital characters. While this will seem odd (at best) the truth of the matter is that people feel love, and that love is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
Hate is the same. Hate is a feeling that is there and is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
I hope that this clarifies my posture.
That's the problem with atheism. Atheism tends to look in the wrong places for answers.
Look to God, because God provided for people in the earth in every way that we need. He will provide in the future, and has provided for future provisions even though we don't see it.
Atheists can't do this... look to God. They don't understand What and Who God is for them.
NO WE DON.T WE WANT PROOF THEN WE BELIEVE
i got a lift off a dragon last night to the shops..do you believe me WHY NOT
:-\its the truth www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFKByGuxETc
science not god good watch
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Since you made reference to the bolded part above, does that mean that you think that some people SHOULD hate religion? Or were you only stating that you believe it is impractical to think that the world could ever exist without some people hating religion?
A person who hates religion has a religion of hate against religion. This means that he hates himself or his own beliefs, though probably he doesn't realize it.
Do I believe that some people should hate religion? The answer is no.
People have feelings, and those feeling must be directed at something, even if the direction that those feelings take is a mistaken one.
As an example, sometime ago I read an article about a trend in Japan, in which young men “marry” digital characters. While this will seem odd (at best) the truth of the matter is that people feel love, and that love is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
Hate is the same. Hate is a feeling that is there and is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
I hope that this clarifies my posture.
That's the problem with atheism. Atheism tends to look in the wrong places for answers.
Look to God, because God provided for people in the earth in every way that we need. He will provide in the future, and has provided for future provisions even though we don't see it.
Atheists can't do this... look to God. They don't understand What and Who God is for them.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Since you made reference to the bolded part above, does that mean that you think that some people SHOULD hate religion? Or were you only stating that you believe it is impractical to think that the world could ever exist without some people hating religion?
A person who hates religion has a religion of hate against religion. This means that he hates himself or his own beliefs, though probably he doesn't realize it.
Do I believe that some people should hate religion? The answer is no.
People have feelings, and those feeling must be directed at something, even if the direction that those feelings take is a mistaken one.
As an example, sometime ago I read an article about a trend in Japan, in which young men “marry” digital characters. While this will seem odd (at best) the truth of the matter is that people feel love, and that love is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
Hate is the same. Hate is a feeling that is there and is going to be directed at someone or something and we are unable to control where other people are going to direct their feelings.
I hope that this clarifies my posture.
I hate extreme believers (extremists) that want to convince other people or even threaten/murder them if they don't become one of their followers. Those monsters have nothing to do with religion.
Hate is an extreme emotion. In fact it is so extreme that it becomes something greater than simply emotion. How close are you to wanting to destroy yourself because your hate is directed at the same kind of thing that you, by your own admission, are?
It doesn't have to become greater, it's already great. Don't you hate pedophiles? Murderers of innocent children/people? Or you just don't like them? Or do you like them? Your comment makes no sense at all, unless you're sick like them. And please define the word monster. I respect each and everyone, except for the humans killing innocent in the name of God.
I hate extreme believers (extremists) that want to convince other people or even threaten/murder them if they don't become one of their followers. Those monsters have nothing to do with religion.
Hate is an extreme emotion. In fact it is so extreme that it becomes something greater than simply emotion. How close are you to wanting to destroy yourself because your hate is directed at the same kind of thing that you, by your own admission, are?
I hate extreme believers (extremists) that want to convince other people or even threaten/murder them if they don't become one of their followers. Those monsters have nothing to do with religion.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Since you made reference to the bolded part above, does that mean that you think that some people SHOULD hate religion? Or were you only stating that you believe it is impractical to think that the world could ever exist without some people hating religion?
A person who hates religion has a religion of hate against religion. This means that he hates himself or his own beliefs, though probably he doesn't realize it.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
While i agree partially with what you wrote, the part that i bolded about your post is something that simply put, does not conform with the real world.
Some people hate religion, countrys, cultures,etc. Even if that hate is mistaken they still do it. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Nobody should hate religion. Religious folks should respect atheism for what it is, a religion. Atheists should not condemn those other religions that are trying to save them; they should welcome and respect those who want to save people, even if their method is misinformed.
Atheists are people living their religion. Their religion might be vastly different than some other religions. The reason they live their religion as they do is, they think their religion is right. If they didn't think their religion was right, they would live their life in some other way, according to some other religion.
If the particular form of religious atheism some atheists live, happens to suggest that they don't care enough about other people, so that they feel that other people can live their life with the religion of THEIR choice, however foolish that choice of religion might seem, perhaps those atheists simply aren't very caring in an area of their lives that some others would deem an important way to care about people of other religions.
If the religious atheism of some atheists allows or demands that they openly ridicule, laugh at, or scorn people of other religions, they are acting similar to the way some people of other religions act toward them about their atheism religion.
Nobody but a vegetable lives in a religious vacuum... and maybe not even they.
Well, a significant number of atheist's don't hate religion, after all a religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs, traditions and rituals, what it really bothers some atheist are religious people with the attitude of: I know better than you how you should live your life or go you'll burn in hell.
Jesus talks about Hell in the Bible. Without mentioning the name "Hell," other parts of the Bible talk about eternal damnation.
God placed a part of Himself into everyone. Those who will not maintain their position in God as He place in them, are going to lose themselves completely. Because they are eternal in soul, it will take an eternity for them to lose that part of them that is like God, since God is eternal and beyond eternity, and has made them to be eternal.
The smelting pot of the Lake of Fire is more than simply a get-it-over-with destruction. It is the re-smelting down of everything that God placed into the universe... all of Himself that He gave to mankind... so that He get's it back purified, to be used as He sees fit.
If this were not so, the sufferings of Jesus would have been simple and easy. As it stands, "... and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
God placed a part of Himself into everyone. Those who will not maintain their position in God as He place in them, are going to lose themselves completely. Because they are eternal in soul, it will take an eternity for them to lose that part of them that is like God, since God is eternal and beyond eternity, and has made them to be eternal.
The smelting pot of the Lake of Fire is more than simply a get-it-over-with destruction. It is the re-smelting down of everything that God placed into the universe... all of Himself that He gave to mankind... so that He get's it back purified, to be used as He sees fit.
If this were not so, the sufferings of Jesus would have been simple and easy. As it stands, "... and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
Eternal damnation can easily be seen as eternal death instead of eternal life.
The distinction is in what life is. Life isn't some little whoopty-do thing that is here today and gone tomorrow. The life of a human being fills the universe in tremendously far-reaching ways. Removing it from the universe by bodily death doesn't work. True death of the soul is way more far-reaching than simple bodily death.
Jesus talks about Hell in the Bible. Without mentioning the name "Hell," other parts of the Bible talk about eternal damnation.
God placed a part of Himself into everyone. Those who will not maintain their position in God as He place in them, are going to lose themselves completely. Because they are eternal in soul, it will take an eternity for them to lose that part of them that is like God, since God is eternal and beyond eternity, and has made them to be eternal.
The smelting pot of the Lake of Fire is more than simply a get-it-over-with destruction. It is the re-smelting down of everything that God placed into the universe... all of Himself that He gave to mankind... so that He get's it back purified, to be used as He sees fit.
If this were not so, the sufferings of Jesus would have been simple and easy. As it stands, "... and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
God placed a part of Himself into everyone. Those who will not maintain their position in God as He place in them, are going to lose themselves completely. Because they are eternal in soul, it will take an eternity for them to lose that part of them that is like God, since God is eternal and beyond eternity, and has made them to be eternal.
The smelting pot of the Lake of Fire is more than simply a get-it-over-with destruction. It is the re-smelting down of everything that God placed into the universe... all of Himself that He gave to mankind... so that He get's it back purified, to be used as He sees fit.
If this were not so, the sufferings of Jesus would have been simple and easy. As it stands, "... and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
Eternal damnation can easily be seen as eternal death instead of eternal life.
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.
This is such disturbing thinking both ways.
Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.
On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.
Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?
You still believe in hell?
What does the bible say about hell? Is it being tortured for ever and ever? Would a kind God really do that?
This video shows why the idea of torturing people forever and ever is not the case with bible verses and discussion.
If Jesus died for our sins, He died for them by dying and being reborn. The wages of sin are death (not burning in fire forever and ever).
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Here's where you are missing it.
Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that. For example. Why do people only live barely to 100 years in this life? Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that.
Man was made in the image of God. Mankind has a certain something where God has placed eternity in his heart. Ecclesiastes 3:11:
Quote
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
It's in man's heart. It isn't in his left hand. It isn't in one of his feet. It's in his heart.God DOESN'T do it. Man does it. The fact that people only live 100 years if that, is not only the blessing of God - taking them out of this painful life - it is also the blessing of God not allowing them to foolishly and ignorantly accumulate more than a certain amount of sin debt that they will have to pay for if they happen to go the way of destruction.
The soul interprets destruction of the body as pain. The soul will interpret the destruction of itself as pain, as well. And when you have an eternal soul being destroyed, the pain will last for an eternity. "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men..."
Those who are being saved should not ponder on this too much. Such pondering weakens faith, and actually draws them toward Hell somewhat. That's why YOU don't easily recognize Hell. God is protecting you from it. But be assured. Those who go to Hell will, in themselves, receive an eternity of pain to the extent of their wrongdoing in this life, and of any intentional resistance against the salvation of Jesus.
God wanted us to live forever. We sinned and that's why we die. It's also why the life expectancy went down so much from the beginning of the bible. The bible doesn't talk about hell. I believed in hell (because it was what I was taught), and read the bible and examined it and found it to not be true. So it's not that I don't recognize it, it's that I see the bible doesn't talk about it and it's a made up thing. We'll have to agree to disagree on that, but I think you're doing a disservice to act like that's where people go when they die.
Jesus talks about Hell in the Bible. Without mentioning the name "Hell," other parts of the Bible talk about eternal damnation.
God placed a part of Himself into everyone. Those who will not maintain their position in God as He place in them, are going to lose themselves completely. Because they are eternal in soul, it will take an eternity for them to lose that part of them that is like God, since God is eternal and beyond eternity, and has made them to be eternal.
The smelting pot of the Lake of Fire is more than simply a get-it-over-with destruction. It is the re-smelting down of everything that God placed into the universe... all of Himself that He gave to mankind... so that He get's it back purified, to be used as He sees fit.
If this were not so, the sufferings of Jesus would have been simple and easy. As it stands, "... and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.
This is such disturbing thinking both ways.
Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.
On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.
Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?
You still believe in hell?
What does the bible say about hell? Is it being tortured for ever and ever? Would a kind God really do that?
This video shows why the idea of torturing people forever and ever is not the case with bible verses and discussion.
If Jesus died for our sins, He died for them by dying and being reborn. The wages of sin are death (not burning in fire forever and ever).
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Here's where you are missing it.
Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that. For example. Why do people only live barely to 100 years in this life? Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that.
Man was made in the image of God. Mankind has a certain something where God has placed eternity in his heart. Ecclesiastes 3:11:
Quote
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
It's in man's heart. It isn't in his left hand. It isn't in one of his feet. It's in his heart.God DOESN'T do it. Man does it. The fact that people only live 100 years if that, is not only the blessing of God - taking them out of this painful life - it is also the blessing of God not allowing them to foolishly and ignorantly accumulate more than a certain amount of sin debt that they will have to pay for if they happen to go the way of destruction.
The soul interprets destruction of the body as pain. The soul will interpret the destruction of itself as pain, as well. And when you have an eternal soul being destroyed, the pain will last for an eternity. "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men..."
Those who are being saved should not ponder on this too much. Such pondering weakens faith, and actually draws them toward Hell somewhat. That's why YOU don't easily recognize Hell. God is protecting you from it. But be assured. Those who go to Hell will, in themselves, receive an eternity of pain to the extent of their wrongdoing in this life, and of any intentional resistance against the salvation of Jesus.
God wanted us to live forever. We sinned and that's why we die. It's also why the life expectancy went down so much from the beginning of the bible. The bible doesn't talk about hell. I believed in hell (because it was what I was taught), and read the bible and examined it and found it to not be true. So it's not that I don't recognize it, it's that I see the bible doesn't talk about it and it's a made up thing. We'll have to agree to disagree on that, but I think you're doing a disservice to act like that's where people go when they die.
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.
This is such disturbing thinking both ways.
Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.
On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.
Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?
You still believe in hell?
What does the bible say about hell? Is it being tortured for ever and ever? Would a kind God really do that?
This video shows why the idea of torturing people forever and ever is not the case with bible verses and discussion.
If Jesus died for our sins, He died for them by dying and being reborn. The wages of sin are death (not burning in fire forever and ever).
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Here's where you are missing it.
Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that. For example. Why do people only live barely to 100 years in this life? Certainly a kind God wouldn't do that.
Man was made in the image of God. Mankind has a certain something where God has placed eternity in his heart. Ecclesiastes 3:11:
Quote
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
It's in man's heart. It isn't in his left hand. It isn't in one of his feet. It's in his heart.God DOESN'T do it. Man does it. The fact that people only live 100 years if that, is not only the blessing of God - taking them out of this painful life - it is also the blessing of God not allowing them to foolishly and ignorantly accumulate more than a certain amount of sin debt that they will have to pay for if they happen to go the way of destruction.
The soul interprets destruction of the body as pain. The soul will interpret the destruction of itself as pain, as well. And when you have an eternal soul being destroyed, the pain will last for an eternity. "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men..."
Those who are being saved should not ponder on this too much. Such pondering weakens faith, and actually draws them toward Hell somewhat. That's why YOU don't easily recognize Hell. God is protecting you from it. But be assured. Those who go to Hell will, in themselves, receive an eternity of pain to the extent of their wrongdoing in this life, and of any intentional resistance against the salvation of Jesus.
Believers in disbelief, forcing it on others, there is no difference
Good point.
Nobody in America is forced to go to a religious school of a formal religion. At least not by government. But they are ALL forced to go to school in at least a public school, which teaches the religion of non-religion and belief in unbelief.
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.
This is such disturbing thinking both ways.
Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.
On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.
Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?
You still believe in hell?
What does the bible say about hell? Is it being tortured for ever and ever? Would a kind God really do that?
This video shows why the idea of torturing people forever and ever is not the case with bible verses and discussion.
If Jesus died for our sins, He died for them by dying and being reborn. The wages of sin are death (not burning in fire forever and ever).
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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