Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 396. (Read 901520 times)

It's impossible to prove whether God exists via empirical evidence, i.e. via observation.  It is not impossible via logical proof.  Logical proof is proof of a higher order.

By the way, you conveniently ignored my response to your foot-in-mouth comment:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11715833

Because of the highly advanced, organized complexity of nature, which exhibits itself in the greatness of the thinking mind of mankind,

and because there doesn't seem to be  a reason for the existence of such advanced complexity (most scientific theory is based in "if this or that happened, then..." making it science fiction),

and because we see entropy everywhere in everything,

the odds that God exists are almost infinitely greater than the odds that He doesn't.

This makes atheism a religion, because it is faith-based, since the far greater odds are that God DOES exist.

Atheists believe that God does not exist, are against all those who think that, and hate religion because 95 percent of the population of the world has its own religion and they want to be different.

Related: How to create a universe.

God has never laid down any rules for Christians to follow, only man made the rules.
As explained before, "what God wants" is impossible, as this would prove Gods existence, which as we both know, is impossible.

No, I'm not interested in considering I'm wrong. I've already gone through the development stage where I asked what if God didn't exist, the answer came back that He does. Having lived life, and seeing things in that light, makes everything else fall into place. Atheists aren't much better, in not wanting to consider God exists, they found their answer a long time ago too.

How does it feel to you to know that you are someone who doesn't want to understand life properly? To ignore what's really going on?

Here's a question for anyone: Why are Christians supposed to follow those rules that God lays down?
Hint: The answer isn't simply to get to heaven or to be saved from hell. Because no one gets to heaven from good works alone.

Isaiah 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Says the theist who, by definition, lives in a demon-haunted world.

There are no demons in an atheist world, just other human beings. Some of them are healthy and well-balanced neurologically-speaking, others are damaged and toxic. There is no 'good and evil' there is only functional and dysfunctional.


For someone clearly so ill-informed about atheism and atheists, you sure are making some boldly ignorant statements. You *do* know, right, that simply asserting something doesn't make it true? You have to have a reasonable argument to support your claims, which you do not.

Actually, God already did it.

We have no knowledge of anything other than cause and effect. Some people have used the term, "the devil made me do it."

While God tells us that we have free will, nothing that we see or understand in science and nature shows us free will. The closest we can come is the artificial free will that makes us think that we have free will, because most of the time we don't see the underlying things that motivate us to do anything -
like the particular meal of fish that we just ate,
that caused some brain proteins to send off some extra electrons,
along certain synapses that wouldn't have been activated if we hadn't eaten the fish,
and because of it we do something that we wouldn't have otherwise done,
all according to what looks and feels like free will to us.

Your whole life has been planned out and laid out for you. If you don't use the tiny bit of free will that you have to seek God,
and implore Him to save you (from yourself),
He will destroy you in the judgment, at your indirect request,
because you requested destruction by not attempting to seek God,
God the only Thing that holds you alive,
through cause and effect that He has imbedded into all nature.

because people fight over something thats not there  makes no sense  :-\killing each other over god
or say thats god punishing you
or pray to god ..  why what will he do

It would be my guess the religious folk are the ones living in fear. Remember, every day they worry they might get their God angry over something silly and get their heaven pass revoked. Atheists have no such issues.

How do you know other living beings aren't Atheist?

Atheists are more fearful people in this world, they hate religion due to the fear of being living independently oppose to their own wishes, they never want to adopt the life which pave the path to live modestly in this world, All living beings are faithful to it's creator except the human kind.

No, no they don't. Trouble is, you aren't actually interested in considering that you may be mistaken. You aren't interested in applying a little critical thinking to your belief because you are conditioned to reject anything which might force you to suspend your special-pleading intellectual dishonesty.

How does it feel to know that you are someone who doesn't want to understand life properly?

Because that is exactly what you are when you refuse to submit your beliefs to objectively reasoned analysis. For example, we know how to induce 'spiritual' sensations into people, 'presence of God', even 'alien abduction', simply by applying some intense magnetic impulses to particular parts of the brain. Neurological responses cause subjective psychological and emotional experiences.

We understand how the brain can easily be fooled and we understand how our senses and our perceptions cannot be relied upon for much of anything when it comes to demonstrable knowledge, without independent verification from other data sources outside of our unreliable perception.

We can easily explain how religions come into existence, how the psychology of the theist mind is constructed and how, as a group, the myths and legend develop and are reinforced through symbolism and ritual.

You *do* know, don't you, that all your special symbols and rituals don't actually do anything, right? I mean, if I genuflect and I scratch my balls halfway through, does it count as the magic needed to induce, well, whatever it is you believe you are inducing by genuflecting?

So, in that we can rationally explain everything as long as intellectual integrity is maintained, there is only self-deception left for you to cling to. Which is what you and your kind do, with much vigour and desperation. Trying to get you to understand that you are mistaken is no different to trying to reason with somebody suffering from amphetamine-induced psychosis. You both *know*, I mean absolutely 100% *know* that you are right about what you are perceiving . . . that anybody who tries to explain otherwise to you is a threat.

Q:What's different about the speed-freak curtain-twitcher who is convinced that he is being watched and you who believes likewise?

A: The tweaker could actually be under surveillance

Your proposition towards the existence of an omnipotent invisible super-being who has a set a rules we're all supposed to follow is less credible, even, than those who believe they have been abducted by aliens. They, at least, invoke things which could be measurably real in our Universe.

If we're going onto that tangent, lol....

Did you know some believe those ET's to be demons and abductions to be demonic attacks? Abductions stop in the name of Jesus Christ

Well, I don't hate anything or anyone but I certianly dislike the idea of religion. I believe everything must be backed by something

i dont believe in god but i believe in a higher power i believe in Extraterrestrial Dimensional Beings

Okay let's set this straight. Nobody should ever generalize (even though he isn't)  things. He has just encountered bad people (atheists or not). I do not have anything against people who believe in various things, unless you start forcing your nonsense on me or argue with me using false evidence. I'm perfectly okay with it, as long as people behave properly, nor have I tried converting anyone that I know aside from sharing some insight.
Religions are a cause of many bad things,however let's not get started with this discussion as we have multiple examples from history. I'm just going to mention The Inquisition, The Witch Hunt, Thuggee Murders and such. Let's just leave it at that.

Well as someone who used to be christian, I do not agree with this. I'm too tired to continue the science debate, however you probably are partially right. As long as you do not show a stance toward the subject such as BADecker (currently on ignore), you have a fine character.

Things happen in the name of Jesus Christ that wouldn't if you didn't call upon him and His power. I believe that and have seen it, others believe that too. That is what makes it God versus something else. I know anything I say that's happened from calling upon Him, you will still argue it was something else, maybe a self fulfilling prophecy. I'm not going to argue that with you.

When people see things that cannot be explained and miracles, they can either be explained away by science, or it's proof of something else going on that science has not explained (which means a religion may be right). I never really believed this: but atheists do seem to put a lot of faith in science, to the point it seems like a religion, since science has not explained everything, and continues to learn, and has changed the way we perceive things from the past scientific explanations. (http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/howscienceworks_20)

I don't argue science can't be helpful, but to believe only what you've seen, it cannot give you the whole picture. That's why there's so many theories in science, and why things change when people get better at looking at the evidence. Like what's the smallest thing in the universe? (http://www.livescience.com/23232-smallest-ingredients-universe-physics.html) Who's to say in a few hundred years what science believes now won't seem silly?

According  to Silas (member of yahoo answers)

Most of the atheists that I have heard or seen think that people that believe in any religion (Christianity for the most part) are idiots, bad people, or crazy. Now I'm sure there are atheists that don't think this way but I haven't seen or heard from one that doesn't. I am a Christian but have no problem with people who are gay,atheist, or from a different religion. From what I've experienced atheists think that religion is a social issue and believe that religion is the cause of war,violence, and such. When most religions are against such things. I just want to know why atheists have to think this way and why cant all people just live to respect each other and why atheists believe that the sooner religion is gone the better.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090327202028AAkUAN3

That's just the delusion. I've seen unicorns on a mountain far far away, but nobody is going to believe that story. How does this sound to you? I've also experienced and seen things while meditating that I can't even properly describe.

Should I tell everyone that "god" has contacted me and that I'm going to be your next savior? Just because you feel or see something that you can't describe you can't say that it is "god" since you don't know.

Even if it is semantics, I think there's an important point that many people seem to overlook: different understanding of the words, leading to greater misunderstandings about what they're disagreeing about.

For instance, faith sounds like a synonym for trust. (Not that that helps because 'trust' would be another word that some people have completely burnt out of their system.)

Faith: a submissive act of acknowledging or sensing vulnerability about a greater power in our lives.
Knowledge: a comforting sense of certainty, familiarity, or empowerment, provided by some kind of recognition (e.g.: new evidence is in agreement with existing dogmas.)

A couple of others:
Trust: "to trust someone", e.g.: having faith that a person will be friendly in spite of a lack of evidence.
Certainty, Confidence: labels to acknowledge and describe the "thing" that is the sense of conviction of knowing. Certainty and confidence would refer to the same type of thing, but they differ in the degree in which they describe it.

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Incidentally, these definitions have far-reaching implications, as it sort-of turns the tables in the religious debate.
Modern agnostics would be old-school "faithful" by acknowledging there are some things they just don't know, whereas the religious crowd would be heretical due to their moral crime of overconfidence.