Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 76. (Read 901373 times)

By definition of religion is a belief of existence of a divinity or supreme being. Religion and belief are two word with different meanings. I believe that vegetables are healthy then does that mean this is a religion? No of course. I believe that democracy is the best form of government then does this mean this is a religion? Of course not. You see science is not a religion but rather a systematic and organize body of knowledge and logical reasonings by the help of actual evidences. The theories which they have not proven yet or not certain like Big Bang is an example that they do use the evidences they have gathered to unravel history but at the same time they stated that they are unsure due to lack of evidence of proofs regarding this. The point is science is not a religion.

Don't get me wrong and saying that I'm an atheist or what. It is just that you have a wrong definition of religion there.

I agree with you that science is not religion. So you are wrong with your "wrong," because I didn't say that science is religion.

If science theories had been proven, they would be science laws. The fact that they remain theories shows that they have not been proven.

People who believe unproven things to be fact, have religion going for themselves. Science theories are not religion. Only the people who believe that they are factual when it is not known, are the people who have a religion going for themselves in the science theories.

Wrong.
Science is not a religion. You say that theories are acknowledged by scientists to not be facts?
Well that's the very difference between theories and theorems... But only few theories remain. Most science aspects have been proven right now.

Could you give an example of a scientific theory that is not proven? Cause the only ones I see are... Well no scientist "believe in them" they just find those theories interesting and we think it MIGHT be the answer but that's all.

Why would anyone hate religion? Everyone lives in it. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever. Perhaps your religion includes believing that your religion is not a religion. The dictionary definition says opposite.

You contradict yourself. According to the definition of religion (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t), whatever you believe in is a religion for you. Nobody, not even you, can walk around without having any beliefs whatsoever.

A sane person will believe in things that seem logical. It is not logical to believe that science theory is fact when it is acknowledged by scientists to not be know to be fact. Belief in science theory as fact is religious belief.

Only weak minds? Then why would your university is imposing the philosophers value? As a mere fact thst most of them believes in the existence of God. Are you trying to say that your university proofs or the managements has a weaker mind because they were teaching you the philosophy that you believed in? ( or wait have you really been studying? Or just trying to be cool here like a weirdo retard thst thinks being an atheist is cool?)

I never really hated religion. It always amused me that otherwise rational adults could believe in
the equivalent (in rational terms) of a santa claus or a tooth fairy albeit an invisible sky daddy, aka GOD.
When pious delusional folks start besmirching science by posting mindless drivel 24/7 on bitcointalk threads 
claiming science proves god exists..well then... I hate religion

incoming BADecker drivel in 3...2...1...

Because of where the free will lies.

Science has shown that all activity on earth works through cause and effect. This means that the synapses that fire in our brains, are caused to fire by some causative activity; the firing is simply the effect of whatever the causative agent was. So, we do NOT have free will in the choices we make. Rather, they are programmed by cause and effect.

How do we have free will then? God holds open a little piece of free will in us. This free will has to do with how much or little we believe in Him. He controls the rest of the universe according to what He sees in our little piece of free will, and regarding the plans He has for each of us.

Pat Buchanan wrote awhile back excellent article what benefits does *faith* have for society as a whole. It forms our culture and our culture then forms our civilization.

Civilizations (including the western one) are kept alive by principles upon which they were founded, dont you agree? Similar to ideologies or organisms for that matter.

When people lose faith, they start to lose their culture, rapturing society they have build. Eventually people themselves start to die off. Could you tell me of one western country where secular people have enough children to atleast replenish their own aging population? Why should have they children at all without faith or sense of belonging?

Craked5, you mentioned evolution without mentioning that its first major proponent, sir Darwin was practicing Christian whose faith was only (but very understandably) shook when his young daughter passed away from sickness. He described process of evolution as physical manifestation of Gods will and natural order. Not as a hammer, supposed to kill any sort of spirituality, that human beings are gifted with.


I think you understand  

Bible is not some step by step tutorial on how to cook wasabi, rather it is testament of experience by past witnesses Ten commandments present quite useful "how to" to live your life to yours and your loved ones fullness. Life and death of Jesus Christ aswell is not to be emulated verbatim by readers, he presents ideal, Son of God, that people should look up to. To better both themselves and their surroundings in harmony with natural order.

Free will is a gift that no other species on Earth possess, you have free will to decide for yourself, whether to sin or ignore knowledge altogether. But you dont have to. Unlike animals you have the option to choose. And when you do choose, you will be held accountable for it. In this life or after it ends.

You are not right. If there is a God then maybe you will be rewarded and that you should not sin, and it is very difficult. Perhaps even if you believed in God to go to hell. But if there is no God then you just lost your chance and not only enjoyed the your parents your life.

False.

What you're talking about is the Pascal bet, that's an old philosophical problem handed out by a French philosopher (Pascal).

It's wrong for many different reasons:
-What if there is a God but not the one you spent your life believing in?
-What if there is a God but he will judge you on your ability to think by yourself and not blindly think about god?
-What if life is just a test and after it your score is based not on your faith but for example on how much pleasure you had?
-What if there is no God at all and you spent your whole life believing in nothing important?

Pascal bet is stupid. It's based on wrong assumption and shouldn't be followed.

Cool, so then why do we need God?
If whatever we do is our own action, if evolution is real... Where does God enters in the field? Why should we even care about him?

Quite simple. If you believe and God exists, you'll be rewarded. If God doesn't exist, you lose nothing. Therefore believing is more optimal strategy in life (and beyond), which atheists simply can't agree with and humbly resign themselves to...
   

Exactly. Human beings, unlike animals or plants were gifted with free will. When you or someone do evil upon others, blaming it on God is but an act of cowardice. You have free will to be responsible for everthing you decide to do in your life. Good and bad.

There has been also recent trend in convergence between science and spirituality as it should be. Those two are not in opposition and never should have. They describe two sides, material and spiritual of existence.

I do not agree with you friend. You are wrong on so many levels. If science can not prove something it does not mean it is not existing. There are many things done "in the name of God", but it was done by man, corrupted man those are. Everyone who say they are doing something for God, they should be locked up. Religion does not teach us to be bad or aggressive. There will always be greedy people who will use any mean necessary to get them self anything they want, but that is Human factor not God.

You admit it all the time. How? You simply show it by the things you say.

Sithara,

you might be assuming (aka believing  ) a lot here. What religion and what people? Spirituality is universal to all human cultures everywhere in the world as archeology going well into the stone age can confirm. Religion is but formalization of it, next step in forming of actual civilization with firm value system.

You have made quite a judgment in claiming, that "bussiness minded" religions are here to enslave people like some Amazon corporation. You never heard about Sufis or Quakers, did you? Believing folk are not as monolithic as you may think as is the role of God in their lives.

One thing separating (unfortunately slowly dying out) atheists/agnostics from believers is humility. Believer accepts he is not physically immortal, knows everything or assume he has God like powers. He doesnt pretend to be a God, which helps him to open his soul to possibility that he is part of something greater that unites all existence.

What part of Ten commandments do you find to be enslaving and or offensive?

You cannot think of anything? Well, for start your entire culture was formed by religion for hundreds of years. As therefore societies moral compass.

I could aswell ask you in return, what do you believe in as an atheist? Law of the strongest (aka preferably you as a God) or egalitarian communists police state (Big brother), because there arent many other options for you live in this society and share values with other fellow human beings. Both of the latter ones and its various -ism offshoots are in essence secular materialistic religions. Devoid of any spirituality, hope or perspective.

Religion is but formalization of faith and there arent things you can do well without faith but masturbation and death.

http://buchanan.org/blog/if-god-is-dead-125152

you are so full of shit.  i never admitted i'm scientifically inept. What the fuck are you on about?  Oh I like the blue. Very clever for an imbecile. 
hey you forgot to cut and paste your merry go round links..
 Get a life dude and maybe a job. See ya next week... I have to go to work now.

Spot on when talking about organised religion IMO.