Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 138. (Read 437405 times)

They ain't rich because they charge interest. Interest is just a distraction they use to keep us from finding out how they get rich off us. They get rich off us by telling us they are loaning us some money. Then they use our signature on some instrument to create new money. Nothing wrong with that, if they would tell us that it was a creation of new money. Then they give us the new money like it is a loan to us and make us pay it back... something that was ours in the first place.

Oh, sure. They get a bit more with the interest. But the whole thing is crooked, right from the start, interest or no interest.

Excuse me but I thought it wasn't irrelevant.  Because those evil Joooeesss need to be hated, because they are rich, and that's because they charge interest, and the poor Muslims are poor, and it's the fault of the Interest?  Wait, not it's the fault of the Evil JOOOOEEES?  But the Interest is EVIL too?

Or something like that?  Anyway, somehow I thought it was related in some peoples brains.

I head over to the the restaurant. The waitress comes over to my table and says, "May I take your order?"

I didn't ask to take your order. You just gave your order, and that without even asking to see my price list. When I take your order and deliver your product/service that you ordered, are you going to pay the bill I tender to you, however large that it might be, since you simply tendered your order without asking to see my prices first?

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The whole banking and interest thing is irrelevant to the topic about why Islam hates people. Yet, it's fun playing with side topics that are some kind of offshoots of the main topic.

When you decide to go off on an unrelated subject, please don't do it on my posts.  When some banker decides to go off and screw someone, SO WHAT?  When we are talking about economic and fiscal systems and structures, that sort of thing is meaningless.  

Even talking about "usury" has no meaning unless you know and can relate to "usury" the rate of inflation of the currency at the time the term is applied.

More generally, stop and ask how would your life change overnight if "interest" stopped.   Loans on cars and houses would completely stop, and those industries would crater.  Credit cards would stop working.  Many other things that people do not realize have interest components, such as short term lines of credit for payroll in business, would stop, and those people would lose their jobs.

Also, since banks hold peoples' money only because people get a bit of interest for their doing so, if interest stopped, then people would have no reason to have banks hold their money.  They'd likely just pull it out.  Then you would have the inevitable banking crashes, since the banks only have a fraction of the money "on deposit."

In short, modern society would cease to function.

It would be nice to say that bitcoin would fill these niches, but it would not.  

Well this is certainly part of the "Wisdom of Islam."  The "Perfect Book", the "Koran."

Yeah right.

That is a painstakingly long literature based answer, which would need 50-150 pages of meticulous notes based on historical and archaeological records

I ain't got the time these days to indulge people to that length of written explanations, but here is a starting point.

The entire linguistic and conceptual basis for a peaceful and harmonious humanity originates from Indian, Greek and Roman philosophy - who formulated new policies of reform to nations, which were constantly rejected by the pagan civilizations that had seen them appear in.

Under Peter, Christianity won the support and resources of the philosophers and philosophical communities in the Mediterranean region by promising to implement as many of these humanitarian policies as they could, should Christians gain widespread acceptance.

Across the world, in the Indian Subcontinent, Hinduism under the Brahman Priesthood and Buddhism under the Buddhist Priesthood entered into collaborative policy projects with India's philosophers and philosophical communities to transform Asia and the Far East into more peaceful and harmonious nations .

The success of these joint projects led to the disappearance of those philosophers and philosophical communities, because these regions entered a period of peacefulness and harmony that led them to look to their religious leaders for wisdom.

Foreign invaders destroyed those policy projects. Because, the philosophers and their philosophical communities had disappeared, their was no-one left to rebuild after periods of sustained violence caused to these regions.

Islam arose in period of no philosophy and no philosophical communities, therefore the religion has nothing similar to Christianity's civilized period under Augustine of Hippo (13 November 354 – 28 August 430) or Hinduism/Buddhism karma principals.

Key dictionary terms specifically originating from philosophy:

Morals: 1) adhering to or directed towards what is right; virtuous. 2) of or relating to character or conduct considered as good or evil.

Ethics: 1) a science of morals, that branch of philosophy which is concerned with human character and conduct; a system of morals or rules of behaviour; a treatise on morals.

Principle: 1) source, root, origin. 2) fundamental theoretical basis.

When these three things are combined, it creates the highest moral and ethical explanation, which deliver the effects of peacefulness and harmony domestically for nations.

Christianity did not have this directly in the bible (Old Testament), but because the early Christians lived up to these higher philosophical explanations for 400 years (100AD-500AD) it is an optional part of Christianity' history, which comes and goes rather like fashion trends amongst modern day Christian communities.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc have this linguistic heritage (partially) included within their religious books, but the terms have different names or expressed as mechanisms to achieve good lives.

Islam does not have this heritage, nor does it have it included in its books. Islam is akin to an ancient pre-philosophy pagan religions, which offered vast rewards in the afterlife via following rules divorced from the philosophy (science) of morals, ethics and principles.

Even the Dubai banks work to screw the people as much as they can. Interest is irrelevant. Interest is only the icing on the cake, used, partially, to blind the people to the truth. Sometimes this icing is very thin, or even non-existent, as in no-interest loans that happen all over the world now and again. But the cake is still there.

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11212634.

Obviously you don't understand Dubai.

Money flows in multiple directions, business, government private, consumer.  It's well understood how slight increases in inflation affect money flow, and how changing interest rates affect flows.  It is the essential part of economic development, what causes a downtown of a city to exist, to have buildings.  Each was an investment decision, involving interest as an incentive for the one loaning money.  Bonds issued by cities (interest bearing) are often what causes the streets and infrastructure to exist.  Consumers rely on interest earned for their retirement plans to match inflation.

People put their money in Banks for security and easy-access/spending. Certainly, interest influence their choice of bank. More interest a bank pays, the more investors they get. It isn't, like I said, part of economic development. From your post, I understood you are only considering one side.

Just as Christians can study biology and evolution, Muslims can certainly study economics.  Certainly the concepts of "no interest" in the Koran represent voodoo economics.

Interest serves many purposes in today's world.  As previously mentioned, when a nation's currency is depreciating, interest is about the only thing that will give people incentive to keep their money in investments and banks.  No one would have "retirement savings accounts" if they did not earn interest.

A true rate of interest would be the interest paid less the amount of loss of value of a currency.  Cutting interest out of a nation's economy does nothing except vastly increase the power of the state, which can print money when more is required for projects.  Likely this is one reason largely Muslim nations are so backwards.

Interest is just a way for lenders to earn more. Borrowers need to spend more money on repayment. Well, people from low level middle class can hardly repay them, but they do with very strugglings. Poor people always end up badly and most of them suicide. Increasing wealth of a few persons and putting large number of people into danger is certainly not an economic development. You are only taking case of high level middle class people.

That's what I said. Check through people's lives.

Yeah, sorry! I forgot Muslims don't know how to read and study. Also didn't know we only knew voodoo economics, in fact, we don't know voodoo. Don't even talk about things you don't know, else, you will spread stupidity just like you do now. No offense.

Certainly availability of interest is a part of commercial development, and is an important part of average people's lives, enabling them to buy cars and houses and then pay them off while they use them.  Same thing with credit cards.  The fact that debt can be abused is no different than the fact that alcohol can be abused.  Both have good and bad aspects in today's society.

Just check through peoples' lives.

Don't lecture people about economics that you know nothing about except voodoo economics from some old book.

It is in the nature of man to destroy himself. It's in our DNA since the world exists, religions, politics, football, music ... Everything is done and thought to be different from other while each defending their religion, their football team, their gender of music... Sad but true, as Metallica song says.

No problem. Anytime.

Interest is a part of development? Just checkout through people's lives. Interest have been a big threat to lives of many people. Interest isn't mandatory for development. For bank, it is a business and they do their maximum to squeeze people with higher interest which in fact, takes their lives. I don't understand how *you* are saying it.

The last line is funny.

the more money that gets loaned to you = the more faith you have in Islam? sounds like you are trying to make a deal with a religion LOL. faith in a religion is not about what you can gain from it. its not like you go to the store and get only what you want, then checkout and done.

islamicbanking offers zero interest rate for loans btw

Thanks, but I was joking.   Actually I personally have always believed a prohibition against interest to be ignorant and stupid.  Especially when governments inflate currency, interest is the only countermeasure to break even.

It would seem that the issue of interest is one in which the Koran cannot be right, then.  As it considers money a thing which neither increases or decreases in value,  and without consideration of these factors, a just policy on interest cannot be established.  (Of course corrupt governments could emphasize the Evil of Interest in Islam, to keep it's people from fighting back and finding ways to keep their wealth and savings.)

So the Koran is wrong on this.   The ban on interest which might have been logical and just in the dim past, today works against the betterment of people and their culture.  Interest on loans is in large part what makes money flow, and must compensate not only for the governments' madness of printing money, but for risk in ventures.

Little or no availability of interest for loans would impact the entire development of a society, and keep it backwards.  I wonder then if this might not be a factor in the correlation between the most Islamic areas being the most backwards in education, technology and industrial development.

This fruitcake is wrong on several fronts. First of all, you can't punish someone for fearing something. If someone hates some other individual, or an ethnic group, then it should be taken seriously.

And secondly, why limit this just to Islam? Does Miliband think that other religions are less equal? IMO, he is claiming that it is perfectly OK to fear Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs.etc, but it is not to fear Islam.

I said his real intention isn't clear because in media he is saying as Islam forbids it, he isn't paying. But what if he doesn't really believe but want to avoid paying interest to save his money or he doesn't have enough money. True intention is unknown. As I said, he shouldn't have taken an interest loan if he doesn't want to pay.

Anout interest: Islam forbids involving with interest, charging, paying, being a witness etc... for an interest thing is haram.


There are many muslims who give interest-free loans even in this forum. There was an "Islamic bank" thread in Lending section which gave out interest-free loans. If you are interested, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/no-collateralno-interest-offering-micro-loans-to-everyone-958575.


This is probably a sarcastic sentence. Islam doesn't tell to kill innocent people. Allah never said it. IMHO you should protect them than giving rights if someone try to attack.

Its a wrong belief that islam hates people..nothing is mentioned in holy book QURAN that islam hates people. Everyone wants peace and its just bcoz of behaviour of few people their religion is getting spoiled QURAN also tells you the same thing that BIBLE says..

British Labour Party: We’ll Make Fear of Islam an Aggravated Crime








A future Labour Government is committed to outlaw the scourge of Islamophobia by changing the law and making it an aggravated crime, according to the Party’s Leader Ed Miliband.

“We are going to make it an aggravated crime. We are going to make sure it is marked on people’s records with the police to make sure they root out Islamophobia as a hate crime,” Miliband told the Editor of The Muslim News, Ahmed J Versi in a wide ranging exclusive interview.

“We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.

Labour Party Manifesto pledged to take a “zero-tolerance approach to hate crime” regarding the growth of Islamophobia as well as anti-Semitism. “We will challenge prejudice before it grows, whether in schools, universities or on social media. And we will strengthen the law on disability, homophobic, and transphobic hate crime,” it said.

Despite voting for the new Counter Terrorism Act last month, Labour was also critical of the way the Government has cut funding and narrowed the focus of the controversial Prevent extremism programme, saying that much of the work to “engage Muslim communities has been lost.”




http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/