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April 23, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
i was born and grown up in Turkey.
Turkey is only country hold are muslim and europaen(non-muslim) communities.
These groups are struggle with each, invariably.
i won't answer the questions frankly.
But you can asking sincerely questions me. (Sorry i know my english terrible)

Best Regards.


I understand if you cannot answer the questions frankly if you are in Turkey.


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April 23, 2015, 05:15:29 PM
This is an accurate point of view.  It has been summarized by students of history as "Political change is the product of a radical minority."


We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.....

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.


This logic can be applied to anything and it's too convenient for an outsider to just lump a group of people together with other groups they don't identify with and say 'well, it's on you for not stopping those people you don't consider to be part of your tribe from doing all these things.'

From Neptyder's point of view, he says ISIS isn't a Muslim organization and isn't acting in a way that represents what he understands Islam to be, so what impetus does he have to stop anyone from ISIS doing anything? As it applies to us, if you're an isolationist, do you have a duty to pick up a gun to prevent the military interventionism? Or further, Muslims can use the logic displayed here to say 'all peace loving Americans have a duty to stop the military from killing innocent people in drone attacks, and the fact that they refuse to proves they agree with the killing of innocent people.'

What exactly is it you want people to do?
LOL, your argument makes me laugh.  Somehow reminds me of the puzzle of Franco and the Spanish civil war.  Picture this.  You are just some guy trying to travel through some villages.  At each village guys with rifles ask you..
"Are you a Catholic or a Communist?"

Your job is to answer right or they shoot you.

But you never know which THEY are.

The reduction of individuality into a binary decision is what was described in the German situation, and it has happened many other times in history.  It's a valid warning, not to be shrugged off.

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April 23, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
i was born and grown up in Turkey.
Turkey is only country hold are muslim and europaen(non-muslim) communities.
These groups are struggle with each, invariably.
i won't answer the question frankly.
But you can asking sincerely questions me. (Sorry i know my english terrible)

Best Regards.
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April 23, 2015, 03:04:35 PM


Armenian killings 'were genocide' - German president



German President Joachim Gauck has described as "genocide" the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, a move likely to cause an outrage in Turkey.

He was speaking on the eve of a debate in the German parliament on the issue.

The Armenian Church earlier canonised 1.5 million Armenians it says were killed in massacres and deportations by Ottoman Turks during World War One.

Turkey disputes the term "genocide", arguing that there were many deaths on both sides during the conflict.
On Friday commemorations will mark the 100th anniversary of the killings.
German 'responsibility'

Speaking at a church service in Berlin, President Gauck said: "The fate of the Armenians stands as exemplary in the history of mass exterminations, ethnic cleansing, deportations and yes, genocide, which marked the 20th Century in such a terrible way."

Mr Gauck, who holds a largely ceremonial role, added that Germans also bore some responsibility "and in some cases complicity" concerning the "genocide of the Armenians". Germany was an ally of the Ottoman Empire during World War One.

His comments come as the German parliament, the Bundestag, prepares to debate a motion on the 1915 massacres.

But instead of a clear statement of condemnation, politicians will discuss an opaque, tortuously-worded sentence, which aims to be unclear enough to keep everyone happy - with the sort of convoluted phrasing that the German language is so good at, the BBC's Damien McGuinness in Berlin reports.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32437633


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April 23, 2015, 01:32:50 PM
This is an accurate point of view.  It has been summarized by students of history as "Political change is the product of a radical minority."


We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.....

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.


This logic can be applied to anything and it's too convenient for an outsider to just lump a group of people together with other groups they don't identify with and say 'well, it's on you for not stopping those people you don't consider to be part of your tribe from doing all these things.'

From Neptyder's point of view, he says ISIS isn't a Muslim organization and isn't acting in a way that represents what he understands Islam to be, so what impetus does he have to stop anyone from ISIS doing anything? As it applies to us, if you're an isolationist, do you have a duty to pick up a gun to prevent the military interventionism? Or further, Muslims can use the logic displayed here to say 'all peace loving Americans have a duty to stop the military from killing innocent people in drone attacks, and the fact that they refuse to proves they agree with the killing of innocent people.'

What exactly is it you want people to do?
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April 23, 2015, 07:02:33 AM
A German's View on Islam

Who knows if this article is true as far as who wrote it. But it seems that the content is absolutely correct.

You can find a couple of variations of it here http://www.truthorfiction.com/tanay-merek-german-islam/ and here http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/paul-marek/a-germans-view-of-islam/. I'll post one of them here:
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A German’s View on Islam....

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This is an accurate point of view.  It has been summarized by students of history as "Political change is the product of a radical minority."


We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.....

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
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April 23, 2015, 05:44:23 AM
A German's View on Islam

Who knows if this article is true as far as who wrote it. But it seems that the content is absolutely correct.

You can find a couple of variations of it here http://www.truthorfiction.com/tanay-merek-german-islam/ and here http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/paul-marek/a-germans-view-of-islam/. I'll post one of them here:
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A German’s View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.

We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march.. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12
million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

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April 21, 2015, 11:38:24 AM
Don't get fooled by those idiots bad, if they show up it's because it's their mission to annoy People like you who exercise their rights to write what ever they want. it's really impressive how they believe that being part of a pr firm (public or private) provide immunity in a war... funny... arrogance is the best enemy.

if he has the right to write whatever he wants, we have the right to defend the accusations.
Just be aware. A defense in a forum is based on how well you can talk. It isn't like in a court of law, where the judge pronounces you the winner. It doesn't even have anything to do with a 12-man jury. It has to do with everyone on the forum who reads what you have to say. You are talking for your whole religion in this forum. Talk well, because you are the representative of your whole religion here.

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back at you Smiley

Thanks for the confirmation.   Smiley
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April 20, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
Don't get fooled by those idiots bad, if they show up it's because it's their mission to annoy People like you who exercise their rights to write what ever they want. it's really impressive how they believe that being part of a pr firm (public or private) provide immunity in a war... funny... arrogance is the best enemy.

if he has the right to write whatever he wants, we have the right to defend the accusations.
Just be aware. A defense in a forum is based on how well you can talk. It isn't like in a court of law, where the judge pronounces you the winner. It doesn't even have anything to do with a 12-man jury. It has to do with everyone on the forum who reads what you have to say. You are talking for your whole religion in this forum. Talk well, because you are the representative of your whole religion here.

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back at you Smiley
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April 20, 2015, 07:08:27 PM
Don't get fooled by those idiots bad, if they show up it's because it's their mission to annoy People like you who exercise their rights to write what ever they want. it's really impressive how they believe that being part of a pr firm (public or private) provide immunity in a war... funny... arrogance is the best enemy.

if he has the right to write whatever he wants, we have the right to defend the accusations.
Just be aware. A defense in a forum is based on how well you can talk. It isn't like in a court of law, where the judge pronounces you the winner. It doesn't even have anything to do with a 12-man jury. It has to do with everyone on the forum who reads what you have to say. You are talking for your whole religion in this forum. Talk well, because you are the representative of your whole religion here.

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April 20, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
Don't get fooled by those idiots bad, if they show up it's because it's their mission to annoy People like you who exercise their rights to write what ever they want. it's really impressive how they believe that being part of a pr firm (public or private) provide immunity in a war... funny... arrogance is the best enemy.

if he has the right to write whatever he wants, we have the right to defend the accusations.
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April 20, 2015, 02:35:02 PM
Don't get fooled by those idiots bad, if they show up it's because it's their mission to annoy People like you who exercise their rights to write what ever they want. it's really impressive how they believe that being part of a pr firm (public or private) provide immunity in a war... funny... arrogance is the best enemy.
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April 20, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
Here is a reason why Islam comes across as some sort of death cult:

http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/04/man-burns-wife-to-death-in-honour.html

Honor killings by the hundreds every year. In this case the woman went out to visit her sister without asking her husband for permission. He and his father poured petrol on her and then lit her on fire.

Fucking sick bastards should be shot and then pissed on.
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April 20, 2015, 10:58:29 AM
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April 20, 2015, 10:57:04 AM

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i can give you quotations and verses from the old and the new testament showing hatred, violence
@badecker

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The difference between all other religions - including the New Testament - and Islam is, Islam's words of violence are directives for Islamites to do violence and hatred, right in Islamic writings.

The other religious books talk about violence as warnings for people, hopefully so that they will not be destroyed in the anger of God. Writings other than Islam's seldom talk about violence and hatred as general directives for people to go out and do it. But, quite a bit of Islamic writings seem to do just that... tell Islamites to go out and show hatred and do violence to people who are not Islamites.

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so thats all you saw me posting?? just that line? or is it the only line that you can have an argument on? quite selective huh

There isn't any argument. There is only the truth and lies.

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