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Quote from: CCMS on October 12, 2023, 11:48:06 AM

This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .

You can't compare this to changing campaigns, having a partner is a lifetime contract under for better for worse, except for death, another instance is when there's separation due to misunderstandings, they may decide to part ways, but how many people are involved in this kind of act, the conditions given in joining a signature campaign may not be favourable for you anymore and you can make a decision of changing or leaving at any time, everyone work for the organization that signed us in because we are fine with the conditions attached.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 30, 2023, 03:15:11 AM

Quote from: Oilacris on September 29, 2023, 02:41:33 PM

It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.

I'm 100% with you when it comes to campaigns, I don't expect the most qualified people to be held somewhere in the name of loyalty. If at all, the loyalty must always be relative to something (pay and value), not on a compulsion basis.

It happens in real life in a centralized system as well, once you are qualified for higher benefits, you try your luck and let the market forces play their role, especially if you are a dedicated campaigner. In the second to the last campaign I was in, the value was paid in BTC and there was a time I received $49+ in a week while elsewhere with a bonus of the same rank as mine received almost twice it.

It will not pinch if I did less work, I did more posting than anybody there and my posts are of quality. I don't expect to be loyal to such a campaign in the long run. It was only hurt that I parted ways early with a new campaign manager.

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Quote from: examplens on September 29, 2023, 07:12:50 AM

Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.

I think the icopress approach is meant to preserve value on all the past work done and paid for and I like it , especially incorporated with the rule of not jumping to a competitor project means all posts benefit the project that paid for it and not the new sig company being promoted, hence jumpers are most likely not his target market.

Quote from: CCMS on October 12, 2023, 11:48:06 AM

This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .

Lol now this is funny Grin

but honestly can we compare signature campaigns to a real life relationship lol

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This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .

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Quote from: Maestro75 on September 02, 2023, 02:00:10 AM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.

I consider it imperative to move to campaigns with better pay and lesser rigid terms. The major reason why I will most likely leave a campaign is because it is the best campaign that offers better terms than I currently hold. Apart from this, the league of applicants in that campaign, for example, campaigns with only legendary, hero and senior members of the forum as eligibles. It tells that such campaigns are dire serious and conditions will be standard.

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Quote from: Oilacris on September 29, 2023, 02:41:33 PM

It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.

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Quote from: examplens on September 29, 2023, 07:12:50 AM

Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.
To me, this seems wrong in several ways, and I am not sure of the final motive for introducing such a rule. What comes to my mind is certainly not related to improving the quality of the campaign. However, the manager writes the rules of his campaign.

However, I am interested in the application of this rule, how the payment will be made, in case the participant refuses, and what will be the penalty. Red tag for changing the signature? And will it be applicable to all members, without exception, regardless of rank, status, influence...

Quote from: icopress on September 27, 2023, 03:40:50 AM

Please note that by applying to this campaign you agree that if you are accepted, for any reason you want to leave the campaign in favor of a competitor's campaign, then you will have to pay compensation (the same amount that you received during the first week of your participation). This does not apply if you decide to switch to another campaign that is not advertising the mixer, or if you switch to a campaign that I manage.

Signature campaign rules do really have those kind of changes and this is where it comes from those managers who do have the right to apply such conditions on which neither it could or could not affect the signature campaign or not. I have read up those terms about once you do get hired on a certain signature manage by him and on the time that you do make out some switch with some competitor
or other company then you are really that obliged on paying up those the amount that you had get from sig payment which i do see that it is really just that too much?
On this way then for sure people wouldnt really be that easily trying to switch up campaigns, if icopress did make out such rule just to avoid such condition or scenario then
its not a bad idea but a little bit too tight since you wont really be giving those participants some options.

Speaking about loyalty then this is something that have a lesser concern or not really that something that could imply among on the participants.They would always
be loving on spotting those campaigns which does pay more or better.

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Quote from: dunfida on September 28, 2023, 05:21:46 PM

2. Preferred company or service that they do like to advertise

I think this rarely happens. Most advertisers on Bitcointalk have always been crypto casinos, and if they pay good, people will apply. One exception is if it's a scam casino with a history of defrauding its clients. A perfect example is 1xBit that never attracted respected individuals even if they paid decent amounts.

A more common reason for a switch between two almost identical campaigns could be different campaign managers. Maybe I had a better experience when I was in the campaigns run by Manager A than B. Some rules aren't always as strict for all posters if the campaign manager likes you and the quality you bring to the project.

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Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.
To me, this seems wrong in several ways, and I am not sure of the final motive for introducing such a rule. What comes to my mind is certainly not related to improving the quality of the campaign. However, the manager writes the rules of his campaign.

However, I am interested in the application of this rule, how the payment will be made, in case the participant refuses, and what will be the penalty. Red tag for changing the signature? And will it be applicable to all members, without exception, regardless of rank, status, influence...

Quote from: icopress on September 27, 2023, 03:40:50 AM

Please note that by applying to this campaign you agree that if you are accepted, for any reason you want to leave the campaign in favor of a competitor's campaign, then you will have to pay compensation (the same amount that you received during the first week of your participation). This does not apply if you decide to switch to another campaign that is not advertising the mixer, or if you switch to a campaign that I manage.

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Quote from: joeperry on September 19, 2023, 11:44:07 PM

But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.

It's not just disrespect, it could be considered scamming. The user made a deal with the campaign, and leaving unannounced is like taking another job IRL and still expecting payment from your old job.

It could be both, depends case by case basis. I'm not sure how often cases when user get paid from 2 campaigns on same week, but probably such things happens. But I think that in most cases it's just disrespect for manager and showing bad etiquette. Is it really so difficult to drop PM to manager that you're leaving?

I think sometimes earlier this year, a user was caught violating the campaign rule with the use of two signatures and switches them whenever the current weeks ends and the manager want to make posts count, he did that for some couple of times before he was finally caught, it's not something good to participate in two campaigns at the same time, another thing that seems common is when a user got accepted in a campaign but yet have other pending applications on other threads, instead of them informing the other ones they have applied for that they have been accepted and delete their application, they tend to occupy other applicants chances of being accepted and they hold on the two just to found out they they lately reported leaving one for the other, taking other's spot or chances of being accepted.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on September 02, 2023, 02:00:10 AM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.

1. Better payrate
2. Preferred company or service that they do like to advertise

This is the only two possible reasons that i do see on why people would really be switching to other campaigns but most likely they would really be coming after for bigger payrates or possible the biggest payrate on which they could get on signature campaigns specially to those top paying ones but eventually getting hired or chosen would really be that hard because of the requirement but if you are a user whose that popular and
tons of merits then you could easily switch up on every signature that you do want to join. Loyalty? Dont expect something like this because anyone could switch up if they wanted to.
They dont really mind about being loyal on a certain manager or company even if they had stayed up for too long years.

It is really just that a dumb decision on going for another campaign which you dont even know if it would long run or not in exchange to the previous campaign which had
been running for 3 years. Undecided

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First of it as some community managers have already pointed out here what truly matters before switching from one campaign to another is notifying and leaving a message for your old campaign manager so that they can know early and cover your spot by another member. Plus it's important not to request or expect payment during that week you left unless you have completed that week and still wearing the campaign's signature.

Now in response to your question, I would say that there are many cases, and each member has his own perspective. There are two known categories first some members prefer campaigns with the highest weekly payouts, so whenever a new campaign offering better compensation he try to join it and leave the old one. The second category where those who like long term campaigns, even if the weekly payout is average what matters for them is they stay for longer period and I go with this choice IMO.
And when a campaign combines both long term and high payout rates, you will notice that members are rarely switching and it’s hard to find a free spot there, unless the community manager decides to remove a member for specific reasons.

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The most obvious reason is, of course, the better pay rate that the other campaign offers. Signature campaigns aren't a job, but if given an opportunity to earn significantly more elsewhere, why would you choose to earn less?

Besides being incentivized by money, there are other reasons.

The participants might not like a rule of the campaign they are in. For example, the rules require they write 10 posts weekly in the gambling board, and they don't want that. Or, the campaign doesn't count local posts or posts from a different board they frequent like B&H. The new campaign that is more lenient in that regard seems like a better choice in that case.
They might be struggling to make the weekly posting quota. Most quality campaigns nowadays don't have minimum weekly posting requirements, but if they had, the user might not be able to meet them. So, a campaign that pays less and expects less posts weekly might be a better choice.
Finally, they might be thinking their current campaign might end soon. This could happen if it has lasted more than originally expected or longer than what the forum average is. When they see something new, they might believe here is something that will last, especially if it's a popular brand and campaign manager running it.

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I read almost all the messages in this thread but i wished to see the response from the reputed active campaign managers Royse777, Hhampuz, icopress, julerz12 etc.

Anyways thanks to joeperry and CryptopreneurBrainboss for sharing thier valuable views on this matter.

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Quote from: Stedsm on September 27, 2023, 04:27:44 PM

I'd say the same thing Yahoo always used to tell us:
We all are here just for money and that's a fact, and you shouldn't be ashamed when claiming this as that's why we gather here, post on this forum to make a reputation and then, either get selected on campaigns or if you're a manager, get selected to work as a manager of that campaign.
About campaign hopping, some people do it for the purpose of making more money, while honestly speaking, I did it just because I want my debt to be cleared asap that I'm left with since about 2-3 years. I won't lie at all, that's the only reason why I joined various campaigns in order to make my repayments and get my loan cleared on this forum to make a fresh start again. It takes a lot of courage to say this publicly and most importantly, to do it. I've had been very busy and stuck in the worst situation in my life during the last 3 years and now I'm fine, so doing all I can in order to clear everything.

Based. It ain't any different from a typical job. People move for better opportunities, which is mainly money. I mean with some extra effort, tens of extra dollars per week makes a huge difference.

Some countries even operate on weekly rentals, so that really helps.

Imagine being part of the then-operational ChipMixer campaign that could net you hundreds of bucks per week.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on September 02, 2023, 02:00:10 AM

Why do members switch campaigns always?

Your question is quite interesting as to why the members switch campaigns, so according to my estimation, the answer is very clear for the sake of money. Obviously, God has placed a natural substance in man that makes him automatically inclined towards everything better, and He is eager to get it. So in the same way, money is also an attractive thing that is used by people out of greed. So what I mean is that members also consider collecting more money to meet their needs. Human nature demands that he not do any work for no purpose; he must demand something in return.

As someone who is new on this forum, first he wants to know how to educate himself with the knowledge of cryptocurrency, but when he completes his knowledge and achieves rank, his earning starts due to joining Signature. But he is keen to join the best Signature, whose payroll is high.

So the summary of all this discussion is that the members switch the campaign so that they get more for their work.

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I'd say the same thing Yahoo always used to tell us:
We all are here just for money and that's a fact, and you shouldn't be ashamed when claiming this as that's why we gather here, post on this forum to make a reputation and then, either get selected on campaigns or if you're a manager, get selected to work as a manager of that campaign.
About campaign hopping, some people do it for the purpose of making more money, while honestly speaking, I did it just because I want my debt to be cleared asap that I'm left with since about 2-3 years. I won't lie at all, that's the only reason why I joined various campaigns in order to make my repayments and get my loan cleared on this forum to make a fresh start again. It takes a lot of courage to say this publicly and most importantly, to do it. I've had been very busy and stuck in the worst situation in my life during the last 3 years and now I'm fine, so doing all I can in order to clear everything.

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Quote from: virasog on September 26, 2023, 11:12:24 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on September 26, 2023, 09:55:16 AM

°Strays and Non-strays: some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

This is the strangest reason I have come across why people are switching the campaign??? They won't get recognition if they move from campaign to campaign. Also what sort of nature it is that it compels to move to different campaigns without any reason Shocked

I would call them "sick" who would like to change campaigns and they have no reason for these switches.

And in all sincerity people like that should be marked by all bms and should not be given any opportunity because imo they don't deserve it. There are more qualified, dedicated and serious members who deserves the opportunity.
Even if they will get recognition it will only be a negative one because nobody wants to work with unserious people.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 26, 2023, 09:55:16 AM

In conclusion, even as it's no crime moving from one campaign to another it is irresponsible, immature and fickle for an individual to be doing so within a shortest frame of just a week in a campaign.

I have been on one campaign for several years now and I've enjoyed every bit of time spent with the green flag. I have only been tempted to apply for other campaigns a couple of times, mostly to chipmixer when they were still around on the forum.

It has been a combination of the posting requirements, the manner of management and freedom to post around as well as feedbacks being taken from campaign participants that has kept me there (along with not being accepted by CM), but I can totally understand why a user will move on very quickly from one campaign if they get accepted for a slot in another one.

Some managers pick higher ranks for lower pay roll, a concept which I do not fancy as it limits the slots available for users of that rank. If a user in a lower pay slot gets an opportunity to switch campaigns and get accepted for their rank, then they should go ahead with it, the manager will understand or should.

As long as a user is performing their tasks adequately, they should be able to switch campaigns till the get comfortable in one.

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Quote from: virasog on September 26, 2023, 11:12:24 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on September 26, 2023, 09:55:16 AM

°Strays and Non-strays: some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

This is the strangest reason I have come across why people are switching the campaign??? They won't get recognition if they move from campaign to campaign. Also what sort of nature it is that it compels to move to different campaigns without any reason Shocked

I would call them "sick" who would like to change campaigns and they have no reason for these switches.

It is my speculative yardstick as part of other reasons why people chose to switch campaign frequently, we don't need to mention names but they exist. Like I said they don't have any reason at all why they are switching, they just feel they need to participate in this new campaign and just like that they apply and if it were possible people with such stray behavior would have been ubiquitous in every campaign. I consider them and their character to be weird because obviously they won't get that recognition but bad reputation to contract.

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