Why do people hate islam? - page 103.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2014, 06:59:45 PM

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For example, I have presented an argument here that Mohammed did not split the Moon apart. This caused various people here to suggest that I study up on religions, pick one out, become a believer. They suggested I am missing out.

The part I find interesting is how many people would look at the claim about the moon in disbelief. Everyone knows the moon was not split apart as told in the Asbab al-nuzul. However, ask if Moses parted the sea...? "Of course he did, it's in the Bible."

Because new material deposited on the moon is about one millimeter per million years, we have a nearly perfect geological record right there on the surface It's laughable to ask a question about the record for a thousand or ten thousand years. Therefore, we can talk about EVIDENCE.

H. G. Wells combined his book "The Time Machine" with his book "The First Men in the Moon." Then he did them for real, and went back a million years and measured the amount of dust on the moon. But nobody knows what really happened to him, since the Beginning was only about 6,000 years ago.

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Problem is you dont know if the middleeastern guy that is talking to someone on his phone in his own language if he is on his way to work, or if he is on his way to commit suicide with a belt of explosives.

Every religion is bad in some way.. But there is no other religion than Islam that is causing so many problems in the "new" age. 1900 to Now.

We see the Islamic state kill thousands of innocent people everyday.
And we have countless suicide bombers in the middle east.

There is a reason for hate.. Sadly it isnt all that should be hated..

How many % of the muslims are extremists? Of all Muslims.

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The criticism anyone points to Islam can pretty much paint a picture of any of the other major religions in existence right now. The problem with Islam is that it's been in the public spotlight for the longest amount of time now. A very negative spotlight. Sure there are Christian religious nuts like the Westboro Baptist crazies, but the most damage they've done is protest a gay dead person's funeral. The most damage people did that were connected with Islam was engage in a terrorist attack that killed nearly 4,000 people. The world isn't going to forget this that quickly.

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Quote from: RodeoX on December 09, 2014, 10:58:50 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2014, 09:37:19 AM

For example, I have presented an argument here that Mohammed did not split the Moon apart. This caused various people here to suggest that I study up on religions, pick one out, become a believer. They suggested I am missing out.

The part I find interesting is how many people would look at the claim about the moon in disbelief. Everyone knows the moon was not split apart as told in the Asbab al-nuzul. However, ask if Moses parted the sea...? "Of course he did, it's in the Bible."

I'm not trying to be a Moses apologist in saying the following, just follow the logic.

Because new material deposited on the moon is about one millimeter per million years, we have a nearly perfect geological record right there on the surface It's laughable to ask a question about the record for a thousand or ten thousand years. Therefore, we can talk about EVIDENCE.

In the case of the parting of the Red Sea, we cannot talk about evidence.

Some myths cannot be destroyed by science, you see. Some can. Therefore, I intend to continue explaining how and why the "Moon Split Asunder" myth is irrevokably destroyed by science. Let them bring their best scholars of the ancient writings.

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Quote from: C10H15N on December 09, 2014, 11:18:47 AM

I hate all religions equally. They are primitive, superstitious relics of our primitive past. Until humanity can see religion for the violent, destructive bullshit that it is, we cannot grow and advance.

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Quote from: C10H15N on December 09, 2014, 11:18:47 AM

I hate all religions equally. They are primitive, superstitious relics of our primitive past. Until humanity can see religion for the violent, destructive bullshit that it is, we cannot grow and advance.

Does your religion of hate of religion make you self-destructive? Grin

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Quote from: C10H15N on December 09, 2014, 11:18:47 AM

I hate all religions equally. They are primitive, superstitious relics of our primitive past. Until humanity can see religion for the violent, destructive bullshit that it is, we cannot grow and advance.

then everyone hate`s yo surely.

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I hate all religions equally. They are primitive, superstitious relics of our primitive past. Until humanity can see religion for the violent, destructive bullshit that it is, we cannot grow and advance.

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People hate Islam because they think all islamists are extreme and violent.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2014, 09:37:19 AM

For example, I have presented an argument here that Mohammed did not split the Moon apart. This caused various people here to suggest that I study up on religions, pick one out, become a believer. They suggested I am missing out.

The part I find interesting is how many people would look at the claim about the moon in disbelief. Everyone knows the moon was not split apart as told in the Asbab al-nuzul. However, ask if Moses parted the sea...? "Of course he did, it's in the Bible."

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2014, 02:10:49 AM

Okay, okay. Want to know the real answer to why people hate Islam? It's real simple. People love being argumentative. The answer to the question is, because other people don't.

No, there are real world hatables regarding Islam.

For example, I have presented an argument here that Mohammed did not split the Moon apart. This caused various people here to suggest that I study up on religions, pick one out, become a believer. They suggested I am missing out.

But here is what I believe.

If I were to publicly announce the arguments denying that Mohammed was a Great Moon Splitter in various locales, say Saudi Arabia, I would be in big trouble. Prison, death, etc.

A religion that generates such behavior is certainly hatable, isn't it?

NOT saying that I hate Islam, I am only posing a manner of looking at it which certainly can't be ignored. If we encourage ignoring scientific understanding this is bad, even for the countries or sects that may think it is good.

And I would encourage people living in a Muslim culture, and in particular those who are devout, to think seriously about the bad effects of repressing freedom of though and scientific investigation.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2014, 02:10:49 AM

Okay, okay. Want to know the real answer to why people hate Islam? It's real simple. People love being argumentative. The answer to the question is, because other people don't.

I can't disagree with that Cheesy

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Okay, okay. Want to know the real answer to why people hate Islam? It's real simple. People love being argumentative. The answer to the question is, because other people don't.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

prove it ! An atheist !! Tongue

ahaha

Prove what? I need specifics. As I had posted earlier, I don't hate Islam. Don't like it either, but that's irrelevant. as a recovered christian, I do hate Christianity, but not christians. The deluded have my sympathy, and the vast majority of the clergy have my contempt, because there is no way an educated man can believe that tripe, thus they're hypocrites. I suspect much the same of Islam.

And yes, I'm an atheist. I believe in one less god than the most monotheistic out there.

you can`t live a perfect life without a religion without following ~GOD~ !!

you will be held for Answers about your life after Death !

LOL, turning the discussion back against the opponent is an obvious debating tactic.

However it does not get you points in answering the question of the OP:

Why do people hate Islam?

What you (unsuccessfully) attempt is to obfuscate and prevent the answering of that very good question by a derail into some poster's personal beliefs and habits.

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Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:24:28 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:15:49 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:11:59 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 12:46:20 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

prove it ! An atheist !! Tongue

ahaha

Prove what? I need specifics. As I had posted earlier, I don't hate Islam. Don't like it either, but that's irrelevant. as a recovered christian, I do hate Christianity, but not christians. The deluded have my sympathy, and the vast majority of the clergy have my contempt, because there is no way an educated man can believe that tripe, thus they're hypocrites. I suspect much the same of Islam.

And yes, I'm an atheist. I believe in one less god than the most monotheistic out there.

you can`t live a perfect life without a religion without following ~GOD~ !!

you will be held for Answers about your life after Death !

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

Aye, every news paper has their own agenda, they talk about some stuff but leave much important things out - that will not end until WW III or revolution. What i do is follow as many news as possible, RT.com is way more truthful than the media here in Sweden. They have even been called anti semetic because of writing the truth.

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Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:24:28 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:15:49 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:11:59 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 12:46:20 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

prove it ! An atheist !! Tongue

ahaha

Prove what? I need specifics. As I had posted earlier, I don't hate Islam. Don't like it either, but that's irrelevant. as a recovered christian, I do hate Christianity, but not christians. The deluded have my sympathy, and the vast majority of the clergy have my contempt, because there is no way an educated man can believe that tripe, thus they're hypocrites. I suspect much the same of Islam.

And yes, I'm an atheist. I believe in one less god than the most monotheistic out there.

Atheism is a religion. Why? Because nobody can prove that there is no God. Further, the clear evidence of the universe and world around us is way stronger for there being a God rather than there being no God.

When you believe something that has little evidence and no proof, especially when it is against something else that has more evidence and no proof, then you have yourself a religion.

Add to this the possibility that you only THINK that you don't believe that God exists, while way down deep you believe in God and don't know it (there are no atheists in the foxholes), you add great strength to the fact that atheism is a religion, even though there are many who don't think so.

You atheists need to figure out what you really are, because atheism is a religion, and you are in a religion if you adhere to atheism.

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Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:15:49 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:11:59 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 12:46:20 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

prove it ! An atheist !! Tongue

ahaha

Prove what? I need specifics. As I had posted earlier, I don't hate Islam. Don't like it either, but that's irrelevant. as a recovered christian, I do hate Christianity, but not christians. The deluded have my sympathy, and the vast majority of the clergy have my contempt, because there is no way an educated man can believe that tripe, thus they're hypocrites. I suspect much the same of Islam.

And yes, I'm an atheist. I believe in one less god than the most monotheistic out there.

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Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 01:11:59 AM

Quote from: Ume on December 07, 2014, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: Biomech on December 07, 2014, 12:46:20 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 06, 2014, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: sickhouse on December 06, 2014, 09:32:44 PM

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

prove it ! An atheist !! Tongue

ahaha

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