Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 104. (Read 221072 times)

Yes, I can, yes, I can prove it, and none at all. I'm an atheist.

I did`nt get a solid reason for hating ISLAM !! and Islam never hates other religion`s !!

you can`t say any religion ridiculous !!

by the way which religion you are following ?

"normal" behaviour doesn't sell copy. That's just the nature of media. I read what I can form many sources. I don't find Islam itself to be any more or less egregious than Judaism or Christianity. All three are patently ridiculous on their face, and with deeper examination only get worse. The words of the Q'uran, the Bible, or the Torah are sufficiently ambiguous that they can be used to justify practically anything.

Religious RULE leads to a lot more trouble than religion itself. The middle east appears to be where the west was about the time that Islam was formed. Ruled by religion and resistant to anything that contradicts it's tenets, especially facts. Whether this is actually true, I can only surmise as I have never been off of the North American continent. But it certainly appears that way.
If the above is true, there is going to be a rough transition. When a message took weeks to be delivered, there was room for a lot of nonsense in a local area. When it's nearly instant, then the ugly truth of religion becomes no more valid than most of us now think the Olympians are. A lot of people need to grow up. Not just over there. Because we in the West do not face the daily hell that a lot of the rest of the world faces, we tend to be more vocal than violent. But there are elements among us who are at LEAST as extreme and potentially violent as the worst of the middle eastern terrorists if they had the opportunity.

When you say such things, please consider that some of us read Islamic world news directly and know, that only the worse of US is presented, only the worse of Israel is presented, and so forth.

The same newspaper has totally different content in English, versus the native language.

The Islamic world has been beaten with many falsehoods for many years.

Well, maybe the Internet and the https will change that.

Western media only takes out the worst of Islam. The wast majority are peacuful people who are muslims wants peace - but the media doesn't show them, they show the ruthless war path people instead.

How I qualified my statement was thus:

More importantly, consider that if you advocate belief in ridiculous things (as above, splitting the Moon, granted, Christians and Jews have no less ridiculous tenets) then people may not find credible your assertions that terrorists are not really Muslim, are misled, are taught a false doctrine, etc.

After all, one man's ridiculous belief is another man's faith.


I think this (bolded above) is fair assessment as to "what people may think".  Does not mean it is accurate, of course.  What I personally belief is somewhat apart.  As earlier noted, I understand the splintered and bastardized Wahhibbi that Qutb promulgated.

It is with articles very similar to the such, that terrorism is spread around muslims.

But like a friend of mine would say, "if the link isn't https, don't trust it!" 

The Prophet Mohammed, a Jewish pseudo-Messiah
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/theprophet.html

How the Vatican created Islam
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/04apr/catholicislam.html

This is what I understood as what you highlighted in bold text. You said that since I believe in these things, it means that anything else I try to prove is not credible, no matter the logic or rationality behind those ideas.


Well you might be right about the thing that religions have several stories about "miracles" that are impossible to comprehend by man. But the only thing I can ask you to do, is to try to look past the small things: Yes, Science so far can disprove all the facts about godly miracles that have been told about in all of the religions above, but why don't you try to comprehend any religion as a whole for once, with its most important ideals, timeline, the basics of its existence.

Not just Islam, all of the religions. Try to understand why exactly did the man as a being believe in them, not just once, but several times, decades and centuries after each one of them appeared. Look at the world, your surroundings. Do you really believe that all of existence, was made out of pure coincidence? A big bang created all of life from scratch, and made it exist so meticulously that we wouldn't be burnt by the Sun, but also wouldn't freeze if we were just a few kilometers far away from it? Or choke if the gravity was just slightly less, or get crushed if it was just slightly higher?
What about before the Big bang? Why would the Big bang even happen as an event, if there was no power causing it?
What about the human anatomy, and its perfection, and detailed creation, making all of us live with the utmost ease?

I apologize if this has drifted a bit off-topic, but what I mean is that you should try to read about religion, simply looking for the points to bring down the religion. Try for once in your life, to read on it, with eagerness to understand it, or even embrace it.

Bolded section above, if you think I said that, either my words are imperfect or your understanding of them.

Note that I agree with you, that Jews and Christians have similar ridiculous beliefs, however if I am Kafir by way of affirming science where it clearly and simply applies, then so be it.  Ridiculous beliefs of Muslims are not less ridiculous, they exist equally.

I have worked with and had as friends many from the culture of Islam, most were fairly secular in their orientation and would laugh at this question of the "moon being split asunder".  I have known a few who would consider it a serious theological question, but never bothered to discuss.  This is no different than Christians who think the world and universe are 6,000 years in age.

Hate comes from ignorance.
People don't research facts but believes in media reports and propaganda.
I feel people are too much brainwashed in today's society by the media and governments and don't think with their brains anymore.

Hmm, nitpicking over things, to disprove other ideas that are clearly rational and logical that are included in the same religion is quite the interesting tactic you're using here. Yes, you might have the upper hand on proving that the moon was not split in half, using your facts on the moon's geology. But you simply cannot use that in the way such as :

The moon was not split in half. => Which implies, Muslims are terrorists.

If you logically argue with me on each idea alone, I will easily convince you of the main, and the pillars of my religion, which I know well, and past an age where I would know best what to choose, I read about multiple religions, and chose Islam by my own will, based on what I known and deduced.

I might not have the power or the words or the facts to prove some extremely specific ideas, as in why the moon was split asunder, but using those single examples to try and unfold my beliefs, is like saying : "A man survived a thunderbolt with not a scratch, all men are invincible."

Which does, you should see clearly, take the matter of refuting "the Moon split asunder" directly out of the realm of "subjective opinion."  It is not a matter on which I have an opinion which is subjective or inferential, but one on which I have facts.  Today we have imaged the ENTIRE surface of the moon down to half a meter.  We know the entire surface of the Moon in this intimate detail.  These are not opinions.  People with an understanding of geological processes can easily explain what happened in any region of the Moon over the last billion years.  They can also easily state areas which are not scientifically certain, and will do so quite readily.  You see, dust accumulation on the lunar surface is about one millimeter per million years.  Thus, the Apollo astronauts footprints will look exactly the same in 1500 years in the future.

And anything on the lunar surface which happened in the 700AD will be exactly recorded on that surface today.  There is no "change" on the Moon as we know it on Earth.  Here we have the processes of wind, erosion from sand, floods.  Here we have continual change.

You can say, however and if you like, that the Jew that believed the sea was split in half, or the Christian that believed Jesus healed the blind, or the Muslims that believed their prophet split the moon in half - these you can say have "subjective opinions."

More importantly, consider that if you advocate belief in ridiculous things (as above, splitting the Moon, granted, Christians and Jews have no less ridiculous tenets) then people may not find credible your assertions that terrorists are not really Muslim, are misled, are taught a false doctrine, etc.

After all, one man's ridiculous belief is another man's faith.

because people don't know what it is . I mean %90 of muslims don't know too

Well indeed you would seemingly be more correct than I am on that matter, according to science. But then again, as much as correct as you would think you are, science has proven to be false on rare occasions, and no matter your arguments about how the moon was not split asunder, you will be unable to prove it nor disprove it, in an experimental way of speaking.

Besides, each religion has its "miracles". Even if you would be using scientific arguments, you will not convince me of your idea, simply because I believe in the prophet's existence and God's word, like you wouldn't convince a jew that Moses did not split the sea on half, as you wouldn't convince a christian that Jesus healed a man that was naturally born blind...

No.  I can easily argue that the "Moon was NOT split asunder" from the point of lunar geography and astrophysics.  Religion of any sort to survive must coexist with factual, established science.  I have no trickery or disingenous intent to engage you in an article of faith disproved by science.

I only seek to illustrate the existence of this disparity.

Indeed, they do not understand why exactly a muslim wouldn't care about killing himself for his "purpose", even though he isn't nearly reaching it, but alas, he was almost brainwashed by his surroundings.

And well, say what you like, it remains your subjective opinion. For words like those, I won't argue with you about. I only argue about what I can argument, and this religion subject is sticky about what can be argumented and what cannot be.

Very similar to what I have said, that Sayd Qutb is the origin of Muslim Terrorism.

Almost nobody in the USA understands the difference.  They were neither taught it or told it.

But for you I have one thing to say.

Mohammed (praise be his name if you like) did not split the Moon asunder.

A true believer at last.

No, I don't have anything to back my words up other than human nature.