Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 105. (Read 221072 times)

I'm afraid you are mistaken in your comparison. There are no words in Islam history about collecting money from arabs, except for when the wars started, there were fees collected from MUSLIMS, to aid the armies and make them more prepared. The church instead, would clearly ask people to give them money to purchase "indulgences", so that God woul forgive their sins. You'll never find in any book about Islam asking people to give money for forgivance of their sins, a muslim is forced by religion to pay out a flat amount per year, and it is only stated in the religion that the money should be given away directly to the poor and the needy. It is still done until today. Other than that, I don't see what exactly are the profits you are talking about, I hope you have something to back your words with.

Right and wrong. The prophet started Islam so that he could rake in the profits like the foreign Christians were doing. After all, they were Arab profits. So, why shouldn't he have them instead of foreigners. Unfortunately, this was his biggest reason for becoming "patriotic."

As much as you might be right, you are also extremely wrong. It's not the religion itself that created terrorism, it's some of its people. Back when the prohet existed,  muslims were going into wars, to defend themselves against people who wanted the religion to die simply because it came to abolish things that were bad. So there were muslim arabs, who agreed to join the religion, and arabs who didn't, because they simply liked to treat themselves (have sex with any woman they like, have their trials simply done by sword to sword duels, drink with no limits, etc etc etc... Islam abolishing these things was clearly rational, but obviously not everyone was going to like it.

So when muslims went into wars, the religion promised the ones who would fight and unfortunately die bravely in the land of battle, would have a granted place in heaven. That's why muslim soldiers back in that time managed to conquer almost all of North Africa, and South Asia. Muslims would fight in battles willing to give up their lives for their religion.

So decades after those times, while all of what I said is stated in Islam's religious book, some people, who are initially the reason of all terrorism, decide to twist the book and use only versets that are in their benefits, they go to illiterate muslims, gather a big bunch of them, and make them understand that muslims used to kill anyone who wasn't a muslim, and it is allowed and even recommended by the religion. They even tell them that if they die fighting people from other religions, they will absolutely be granted a place in heaven. And they believe them, knowing nothing better, having no life purpose, being raised in a country where religion is law.

Don't think of 9/11 or of any muslim that suicides to kill as many people as possible as your classical kamikaze. Kamikazes are people who have given up on life, and in a last hope, does some sort of attack to change the tide of a war. A muslim "kamikaze", or terrorist as you would call him, is simply a brainwashed person, that thinks what he does will make him the happiest man alive. I mean I believe in heaven, all muslims believe in heaven, all religious people believe in heaven. But suiciding, while killing completely innocent beings, is not even allowed in the religion of Islam itself. There are several versets, clearly saying that : anyone who suicides, will lose any hope of accessing heaven. Anyone who kills a person with no reason, will also go to hell, since a human has no right to judge and take another human's soul only by God's law. Back when the prophet existed, muslims would live peacefully with not only atheists, but also christians, jews. When muslims would go to war against other religions, they would send a messenger, to explain every aspect of the religion to them, and ask them to join them. If they didn't agree, they would ask for safe haven to all muslim armies on their territories, when then they wouldn't agree, they clearly challenge the muslims to war, which is why there are several clashes between muslims and christians in history.

In the back woods of Southern Missouri it was the Cristian groups like the CSA. I have even gone through road block checkpoints they set up. But that does not make all Christians terrorists either.

Terorism is originally made by Islam.
I have known all religion at school and this is the worst ( no offence but a fact)

Now islam had spread into a complex form that will attract more follower become a terorist like ISIS nowdays

And it will be really bad for the U.S. people when the dollar collapses, and most of the U.S. strength goes down with it.

I think (US) NATO is playing with fire, in both the Middle East and in Ukraine - although i never been there, i still try to read and inform myself with as much data and reports as the internet makes it possible.
I personally found that there is a lot of objective elements that support such "insidious" agenda.
Plus there is lots of "whistleblowers" as they call it.

And this article just pined the tail on the donkey imho.

ps: and im a "westerner" btw - just try to think by myself here, which happily led me to bitcoin too

Yes but Turkey has little control over that area, much less NATO. This is a traditional smuggling area and the "rat lines" IS uses are decades old routes. I have been there and it is a wild place with lots of hiding spots. When I was there last some Kurds were killed smuggling cigarets because they were mistaken for rebels. It led to protests and problems for the government. I think Turkey just does not know what to do about it.

But the idea that NATO is supplying IS is preposterous. Not that you were exactly saying that.

have you even red the article until the very end? watch the reporters videos?

thing is:
1/ the turkish gov denies such convoys
2/ such convoys come from "west turkish regions" under NATO's exclusive control

come on, of course there are bribes.. but thats not the point.

there you go, the article's conclusion:

That is not what the report says. It is about corruption at the border and how IS is supplied by bribery. The supplies do not come from NATO or the Turkish government. They are purchased with money from IS's income sources. At the border most of the stuff changes trucks and goes... somewhere?

This is not unique to Syria either. I have spent a lot of time in war torn places and corruption at the boarder is always present. As soon as you can make the kind of money a cocaine smuggler makes by transporting rice, they will come.

ha! http://www.globalresearch.ca/islamic-state-isis-supply-lines-influx-of-fighters-and-weapons-protected-by-turkey-in-liaison-with-nato/5416899

“Islamic State” (ISIS) Supply Lines, Influx of Fighters and Weapons Protected by Turkey in Liaison with NATO

Why do you assume people hate Islam? And don't just say "media".

We might try to understand why people are joining the Islamic state. It may be comforting to think of these people as crazy, but it is not correct. Many of these guys were young and unemployed. They come from broken dictatorships and monarchies and the only legitimate, trustworthy institution they have known is Islam.
For them, the Islamic state seems to offer a paradise where the only law is God's law. The wicked are punished instead of promoted and the streets are safe all night. All this is very appealing to the disenfranchised. I bet some of them change their mind once they arrive in Raqqa and see the very human brutality that IS's version of Islam represents.

There is nothing particular about Islam. Like all religions they believe they are right and everyone else is deluded. That is the real problem. 

Should point out that it reaches a point where it doesn't really matter WHO created the Islamists terrorists. Nutjobs are going to be nutjobs no matter who decides to stir the pot. It becomes a matter of, should you shoot the rabid dog before or after he bites somebody? If you don't want to go through a painful treatment for rabies (and have the dog put down anyway while cussing out the owner for not realizing that the dog was showing signs of rabies), you shoot the dog before he bites you. And I really don't care if you use bombs that are made by the military-industrial complex as long as you kill the nutjobs before they do what the voice in their heads that they think is Allah tells them to do and kill a lot of innocent people.

It's not and don't let yourself be told otherwise. Butthurt religious people are their own problem, and as long as they hold some beliefs like they are the 'chosen people', or that it is a duty to spread religion even through holy war, or any other number of abhorrent concepts, they deserve no break in ridicule or criticism.

Sure dude, Whenever you want. Buy you've to buy my plane ticket (and my visa if you're abroad) etc
I can get my passport, don't worry about that

I thing people just like to point out the big holes it has. All the laws people just find ridiculous, and I don't disagree.

I get it. Turkish coffee.   

Or girlfriends.

That would be a rather hateful state of affairs.

We'll have to have some coffee sometime.