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legendary
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October 07, 2014, 01:54:37 PM
I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?

Tricky to solve, isn't it?

Good trick, yes. The difference may not be in the method. The difference may only be in the goal.

Islam's goal is to make slaves so that they freely support Islam.

Freedom's goal is to free all slaves for freedom.

Smiley
sr. member
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October 07, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
Why does ISIS hate any religion and non believers except their own?

I hate Islam extremists who disrepect us
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?

Tricky to solve, isn't it?
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 01:01:43 PM
Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.

Have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? That's where there are some hostages, and the hostages become so fearful of the hostage takers, that they convert into being friends of the hostage takers, just because they think that this might be the only way to survive. And they do it sincerely. Some of them marry their hostage takers. Some of them convert to being part of the hostage taking gang. It's a protection mechanism.

This is how Islam has gained a vast number of their followers. Islamic extremists take people hostage. They threaten the people with death. They may even torture some of the hostages, just to threaten the others. Over a period of time, out of fear, the hostages sincerely convert to Islam, simply so they do not die. Once they have converted sincerely, it is difficult to get them to even look at freedom any longer.

Some of these converted hostages become Islamic extremists.

Don't only hate Islam. Rather, put your hate into action and destroy it. At the same time, free the Muslims.

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legendary
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October 07, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
I don't think the one who abandoned a son deserves any defense at all. That's by the way, a form of family violence.
Still, Abraham based means Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are all violent and have a broad notion of self-defense, often attacking those who aren't attacking them.
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 11:18:30 AM
You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.

Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...

Yet Abraham wasn't, himself, that way. Just because he was the patriarch of a whole lot of people, doesn't mean that he condoned violence.

The only records of violence that he did were the kind that we ALL should do at times. They were self-defense violence, and defense of family violence. And anyone that doesn't think he should protect his family with violence if necessary, doesn't love his family very much.

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legendary
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October 07, 2014, 11:13:37 AM


Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.


If Islam did this ISLAM would end.  Smiley
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 07:56:59 AM
You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.

Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
hero member
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October 07, 2014, 07:53:12 AM
i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world


Exactly.
In every religion there are bad people.
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October 07, 2014, 07:49:21 AM
i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 07:41:45 AM
Muslims themselves are just a worsen and more annoying form of gypsies; economically and scientifically irrelevant, bad workers, have nothing to show or give to the world... but are annoying and violent with their rotten religion.
As Muslims keep pushing everybody's patience, eventually people will vote for get rid of them, and that means Fascist parties.
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October 07, 2014, 07:24:12 AM
but why fascism? So different cultures have different mentalities, and social experiment of mixing it (not by natural evolution, but by economic dictate) is bringing rotten fruit. Just because people want to change what doesnt work, doesnt mean they become fascist.
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 07:19:01 AM
About fears, my main fear Muslim-related is not around Muslims will takeover the World or anything like that. I don't fear impossibilities.
I fear war, but also the re-raise of Fascism. A thing most likely to happen soon... just look at France, NL and UK voting results.
legendary
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October 07, 2014, 07:10:29 AM
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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?

I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran...  Roll Eyes

@cutesakura;

For the notice, Islam will NEVER rule the World, not only no single culture will as Islam is an outdated with nothing to offer culture.
The problem is that in the attempt soon we will have war again...
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October 07, 2014, 04:37:04 AM
they hate Islam because they are afraid of Islam will rule the world, and rule the world with the Islamic system, as we know Islamic system is a system created by God to set his creation, if the system is implemented, it will be that they save the world and the hereafter, and if the Islamic system is not enforced, so watch the destruction of this world and all sorts of contents ..  Cool
newbie
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October 07, 2014, 04:20:53 AM
That's the problem:

You DON'T know the History and defend Mo just because you were told to.
It was a harsh time? Yes but not only to Muslims, to all Middle East and Persia.
It was Justinian plague time, there were not only Muhammad but a lot of equally violent "prophets", war everywhere... But Mo wasn't anything near a good person.
How did you assert that I do not know the history of my own religion or the prophet?
Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?
It seems we read 2 different stories about the prophet.

What is your outlook or view on Israel?
Just on the matter of Israel and Palestine, what they are doing and what they want to do the people of Palestine are totally unacceptable. They have been trying to write Palestine off of the map through land expansions and merciless civilian killings. Really hoping for justice for the people of Palestine. Sweeden just recently recognized the state of Palestine, a move in the right direction towards peace in the region.

Did you find any "islamic rulings on bitcoin?"

I am also curious, do you agree or disagree with this assertion? (which is from a linked blog not from anyone in this form)

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.

Bitcoin is a really new concept and complex as well to be understood. There have not been any views by islamic scholars on this matter. There are many opinions on the web but scholaristic views are the ones that should take precedent because those scholars have spent most of their lives studying the religion. I myself do not feel wholly comfortable with bitcoin since many trades involving bitcoin are prohibited in Islam such as drug trades, most prominently during silk road times and the anonymous nature of bitcoin can further thrive this kind of activities. Thus, I feel bitcoins success is somehow also supporting malevolent activities that thrive on bitcoin. On the other hand, I see the monetary system that are widely used now as a method of enslaving people. We really need a revolution in the monetary system and I believe bitcoin can bring that at least until honest and trustworthy people can dictate the direction current of monetary system which seems to be unlikely as of now.

As for the that quote, teachings of Islam encompass every aspect of human lives and this includes the ethics of war. If another country attacks an islamic country, it has the right to fight back but have to stay within islamic rulings related to conducts of war. So to say killing cannot be justified is to let your land and your life be freely taken in the case of war. And to eradicate aspect of Islam or not accepting some parts of the Quran is the same as to go against what god has decreed. If the Quran is really from god, who are we to question what god has sent to us? He is the one that has created this universe and bring life to this earth. God sent prophets and revelations as guidance for human beings and god knows what is best for us.
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 10:43:06 PM
I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here.
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I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? Wink
If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find.

Did you find any "islamic rulings on bitcoin?"

I am also curious, do you agree or disagree with this assertion? (which is from a linked blog not from anyone in this form)

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.
sr. member
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October 06, 2014, 03:17:27 PM
I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here.

One that really caught my attention is this post. The book, Quran which I use for guidance in my life is also used by some to slander Islam hurts me.

Saying people hate Islam is a generalization.

Not everyone hates Islam.

Radical Islam.... That's what people hate.

Things like this are unacceptable:

Quran:
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


 Huh

Plenty more:

http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.html

Interesting thing I found just googling "why hate Islam"... this list....

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104
Allah will make disbelievers' miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Never help disbelievers. 28:86


The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26

And then a comment...

https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130429050316AAq2MOs

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end. So long as this sort of 'code' exists the programming is allowed to be carried out by the mules. Then there are the cultural overtones that exacerbate the ability for rational people to accept 'Muslims' since so many practice in country's where people are treated like dirt, especially women. Finally, all religons have a egoist based condition that is problamatic. No prophet would espouse death and destruction much less treating people like dirt. It is the egoists who create these conditions and then hide their despicable behavior behind the cloak of 'religion' or religiosity to justify their actions.


I lean toward agreeing with the above part "eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end".  If you gave people a "holy book" with this stuff, then some percentage of wackos are simply going to act on it and feel they are justified.  Like they are and have been doing.
There are 6,236 verses from the Quran and some people just pick and choose some sentences in the Quran that agree with their preconception without considering what other contents in the Quran are all about. Verses that are quoted above are not even properly translated, which is a disservice to the Quran or any other book for that matter, you can find proper Quran translation in book stores and there are even free apps for android and ios. Moreover, when you ahttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0re quoting verse from the Quran many things you have to consider to fully understand them such as the historical contexts, the verses before and after, meaning of the verse or more information about it may also be available in another verses in the quran or in the prophetic traditions, target audiences during the revelation and so on.
The Quran was sent down to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) verse by verse in duration of 23 years. In this 23 years many things happen, I wont go into the history but just want to say that that the prophet and his followers went through many hardships and sufferings to tell people about the revelation that was sent to the prophet by god. I really hope more people can give more respect to the Quran and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which are the guidance and example for 2 billions Muslims worldwide. When people slander the Quran or the prophet, it really hurt us Muslims to see the book and the person which we respect the most being degraded.
I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? Wink
If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find.

What is your outlook or view on Israel?
legendary
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October 06, 2014, 03:09:02 PM
That's the problem:

You DON'T know the History and defend Mo just because you were told to.
It was a harsh time? Yes but not only to Muslims, to all Middle East and Persia.
It was Justinian plague time, there were not only Muhammad but a lot of equally violent "prophets", war everywhere... But Mo wasn't anything near a good person.
newbie
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October 06, 2014, 02:54:33 PM
I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here.

One that really caught my attention is this post. The book, Quran which I use for guidance in my life is also used by some to slander Islam hurts me.

Saying people hate Islam is a generalization.

Not everyone hates Islam.

Radical Islam.... That's what people hate.

Things like this are unacceptable:

Quran:
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


 Huh

Plenty more:

http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.html

Interesting thing I found just googling "why hate Islam"... this list....

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104
Allah will make disbelievers' miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
Never help disbelievers. 28:86


The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26

And then a comment...

https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130429050316AAq2MOs

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end. So long as this sort of 'code' exists the programming is allowed to be carried out by the mules. Then there are the cultural overtones that exacerbate the ability for rational people to accept 'Muslims' since so many practice in country's where people are treated like dirt, especially women. Finally, all religons have a egoist based condition that is problamatic. No prophet would espouse death and destruction much less treating people like dirt. It is the egoists who create these conditions and then hide their despicable behavior behind the cloak of 'religion' or religiosity to justify their actions.


I lean toward agreeing with the above part "eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end".  If you gave people a "holy book" with this stuff, then some percentage of wackos are simply going to act on it and feel they are justified.  Like they are and have been doing.
There are 6,236 verses from the Quran and some people just pick and choose some sentences in the Quran that agree with their preconception without considering what other contents in the Quran are all about. Verses that are quoted above are not even properly translated, which is a disservice to the Quran or any other book for that matter, you can find proper Quran translation in book stores and there are even free apps for android and ios. Moreover, when you are quoting verse from the Quran many things you have to consider to fully understand them such as the historical contexts, the verses before and after, meaning of the verse or more information about it may also be available in another verses in the quran or in the prophetic traditions, target audiences during the revelation and so on.
The Quran was sent down to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) verse by verse in duration of 23 years. In this 23 years many things happen, I wont go into the history but just want to say that that the prophet and his followers went through many hardships and sufferings to tell people about the revelation that was sent to the prophet by god. I really hope more people can give more respect to the Quran and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which are the guidance and example for 2 billions Muslims worldwide. When people slander the Quran or the prophet, it really hurt us Muslims to see the book and the person which we respect the most being degraded.
I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? Wink
If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find.
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