Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 112. (Read 221072 times)

The whole original sin argument IS the ONLY thing that makes sense. After all, you only get what was handed down to you from the DNA of your parents. They got it from theirs. And they from theirs, all the way back to the beginning. If it is mistakes in the DNA, then it is ORIGINAL MISTAKES (mistakes = sins).

We are coming upon an age that is able to change DNA. We are even able to change the DNA throughout an adult person's whole body right now. It is a bit dangerous to do. And it needs a lot more study. But it has been done to correct problems in the makeup of certain individuals. One woman had her glaucoma (or similar genetic disease) fixed this way. I haven't followed it enough to see if there are any side effects or not. But it seems to be that we might be able to correct original sin sometime.

Given that the OP is "Why do people hate Islam" I don't think it should degenerate into "Why Jesus is the Savior", unless, of course, that is somehow related to the OP.  I really don't care to get dragged into religion discussion.

We're on the subject of hate.

I'm an atheist, but whatever. Even were I not, I would severely disagree with this. The whole "original sin" argument has never made any sort of rational sense. We are what we are, and only by deeds can we devolve or evolve into something lesser or greater. What you think has no morality, it's what you DO.

Judgment by deeds is the reason why people are lost. NOBODY can be good enough to be saved. Judgment by deeds is only there to determine the quantity and quality of destruction in the afterlife. We all need to find a reason or way to get God to GIVE us salvation, other than because we deserve it. Why? We aren't good enough to deserve it at all.

What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin.  It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago.  I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people.

This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course.

(Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with.  Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book.  I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.)

You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to.

Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else.

It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.

Islam is good if you have good teacher,
Imran Hosein;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2J8QwZom8E

I would say that people hate Islam because of the wide variety of terrorist actions by self-avowed Muslims over several decades.  

Countless airline hijackings by Muslims have changed the very nature of air travel - from something that used to be fun, to something that's really no fun anymore.  Then you've got countless bombings.  Guys going on a rampage shooting people shouting "Alla Akbar."  The odd sport of removing heads from people. 

I could go on, but it's almost "Stupid" to ask the question "Why do people hate Islam."

If Islam is a religion of peace, the mullahs sure don't do a very good job of teaching peaceful behavior.  I conclude, then, that a fraction of them are doing something quite different.  In such a case, it really doesn't matter if most of the people are peaceful.

 In a war, only 10% of the soldiers are on the front lines, and if 10% of a country's population is soldiers then only 1% of their population is actually fighting.   The rest can babble all they want about how peaceful they are, I am not going to fall for it.

Would such logic apply to a religion as well as a nation?

Generally speaking animals do not attack other animals of the same species. They do by instinct attempt to kill/attack animals of different species. The only real exception to this rule is when two animals are competing for the same mate.

For the OP, I would say that people tend to hate Islam because Islam tends to hate other religions to the extent that they try to kill them off

I don't say tribes can't defend themselves. But this one isn't defending their tribe, but trying to takeover the World and make it fall to a dark age.

However, I assume you agree that if any of us were to write up a list of rules for the survival of our tribe, we would include rules for both times which were peaceful (hopefully most years) and times which were warlike.   We would do so in fashions which best enabled the survival of our tribe.  Some parts of that might not be so terribly nice.

I'm more an adept of Rationalism. I don't cherry pick ideas because there are no bad or good ideas, it depends on the situation and goal to be achieved. Ideas also have their time and place, and Islam sets two good examples of it:

Place:
- No pork. Pigs require too much water, so it's unwise to grow pigs in a desert. The same rule makes no sense at all anywhere else in the planet.

Time:
- Muhammad lived during the Justinian plague - a black death plague - so polygamy was a good idea to face the shortage of people. A man can get many women pregnant but a woman can only breed once per year.

Because religions are irrational, they simply start to apply the whole lot when the required condition that gave some sense to the rule is no longer in place.

Now, the irony:

- A psychopath back in the VII Century kills a lot of people, dictates a book exhorting their followers to hate Christians, Jews, non-believers and pretty much everybody, and people gets killed after such ideology.
- You say in the XXI Century you hate this pathetic ideology, and exhort people to stop killing themselves over such Dark Age ignorance... and you are "the hater"... 
How cool is that? Makes you feel like humanity a whole is nothing but a bunch of retards.

And again, hate Islam is not the same as hate Muslims. For Muslims I just feel sorry for them. They born in a religion that preaches violence and they are up to a short and violent life.

I'd agree if we weren't animals. Perhaps that's something that sets us apart from other animals, though I've seen behaviour in dogs and cats that would suggest otherwise.

It just occurred to me what the answer is. People hate Islam because animals don't know how to hate. Sure, animals may imitate, and sometimes even emulate, people. But they don't really know how to hate.

yes, I agree with you. many poeple hate muslim.
maybe, he think terrorist. he dont know if islam does not support any terrorism. Islam is love of peace.

Exactly! I was once a Christian of the worst sort. Jehovah's Witness. I have read the bible many times, and it is NOT a good book.

No Christian church actually follows the bible, or the streets would run with blood. This is a good thing, but the fact of it is disturbing because they CLAIM the bible is their moral authority.

And always, if you point out that they are cherry picking, they have some big problem with it. Why? There is wisdom in ancient writings. You SHOULD cherry pick. My personal philosophy probably derives from over a thousand different old and new books, as well as my own perspective over nearly half a century of life. Damn straight I cherry pick. That's what intelligence is FOR. Pick what works, discard what don't.

If the religious all did this, the world would quickly be a better place, but it would break the back of organized religion. All of it.

Now, there is a religion I truly, actively hate. I was raised in that cult, and my single largest regret in life is that I was EVER one of them.

But at least they're non violent, in the physical sense. Out to destroy your life, but not violent.

I fully understand it. But you shouldn't accept an ideology without knowing it. And this doesn't apply to religion only, back on the 30's many Germans went down that road of accepting an ideology most of them didn't bother to know.
In the very end one can like ideas, but ideologies have this issue of being a pack of ideas, and even if in those ideas there are some good ones, this applies to Islam too, you have to bring along the really bad ones.

There is no question that many Muslims, their own microcosm of family and friends and tradition, have an experience that it is "a religion of peace."  They simply haven't seen and don't want to see the other side.  This has nothing to do really with reading the book or not reading it, they are responding with their life experience.

Ignorance comes only from ignorance.
Hate comes from hate. Ignorants don't hate ideologies, make excuses...