The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.
If they don't want to understand that...
Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 110. (Read 221072 times)
So you suggest that because they are irrational we rather not put any rationality into them.
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...
No, I am only pointing out the weakness of your argument about the "True and Untrue Language of the Holy Book" is not one that a Muslim would think was valid.Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...
And that because they can't read the book in the language as they only may, functional illiteracy as the the actual content of the book may predominate, being usurped by "Islam as we know it and teach it".
If that makes sense.
So you suggest that because they are irrational we rather not put any rationality into them.
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...
That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.
Sort of true, but that's no different than claiming "The King James Bible" is the real one. Of course it's true if you consider a lineage of men whom "God Spoke Through" literally, then any production ordained and proclaimed as "The Word of God" is internally consistent with the belief system. So your complain comes from left field, outside the belief system, and can't be considered by one within it.So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.
Me, I'm clearly an infidel and a non-believer, so nothing I said would be considered truthful, or something like that.
That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.
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Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.
Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.
Sure, but you can do this because you read the book.
Isn't it said that Muslims should only read the "Holy Book" in the original language, which most do not know. They memorize and recite verses that the cannot understand, because they do not know the language. Since they must not read the book in other languages, the only actual knowledge they would have of it is from the local mullah?
This seems to be an extremely problematic premise for a culture. It is very reminiscent of the "Latin Mass" of Catholics, now abandoned.
That would make a population very subject to the whim and caprice of a bad mullah.
Surely:
Assassinations:
Robbery:
Barbaric torture and killings:
Mercilessness to the disabled:
Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.
Assassinations:
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Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: Allah's Apostle sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:370
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:370
Robbery:
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Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 29
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 29
Barbaric torture and killings:
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Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:795
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:795
Mercilessness to the disabled:
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When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, ‘Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!’ I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, ‘If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.’ Sa’d rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew’s head open.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 112, See Also Ishaq:372
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 112, See Also Ishaq:372
Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.
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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?
I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran...
I was looking at some of your posts in this thread, you were saying foul things about Islam. It is not the Islam I am thought and brought up with. Bring proof of what you are talking about Islam if it is the truth.
Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.
That is straight up bigotry.We really need to stop hating each other because of our differences in religion, beliefs or anything. And just because some groups are doing atrocities, it is not justifiable to hate other people that are not involved or their beliefs. There are many issues in our lives that can be solved if we work together and put our differences aside. The money masters that are bringing corruption to this world are chilling right now and they love having people hating and fighting each other instead of them. It will be hard to bring change as they have so much control in the society including governments but if we are going to be divisive nothing can be changed.
Hate of people may be bigotry. But hate of their religion might be appropriate and right, if that is the way you feel about it.
The idea of Christianity is to love all people, but to hate anything that turns the people away from the true God.
It is true that hatred of anything corrupts the person and weakens his life. But, it still happens.
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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?
I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran...
I was looking at some of your posts in this thread, you were saying foul things about Islam. It is not the Islam I am thought and brought up with. Bring proof of what you are talking about Islam if it is the truth.
Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.
That is straight up bigotry.We really need to stop hating each other because of our differences in religion, beliefs or anything. And just because some groups are doing atrocities, it is not justifiable to hate other people that are not involved or their beliefs. There are many issues in our lives that can be solved if we work together and put our differences aside. The money masters that are bringing corruption to this world are chilling right now and they love having people hating and fighting each other instead of them. It will be hard to bring change as they have so much control in the society including governments but if we are going to be divisive nothing can be changed.
The history of many nations has been that of using the Stockholm Syndrome to make them part of the conquering nation rather than killing them all. After all, what good are a bunch of dead bodies. After all, they could be slaves.
Because Islam stands for extremists, I mean, come on.
"we can justify this mass killing because Allah approved it", in my ass.
A large group of people are being pre-assessed (how do you say this??) because some retards blow themselfs up.
"we can justify this mass killing because Allah approved it", in my ass.
A large group of people are being pre-assessed (how do you say this??) because some retards blow themselfs up.
I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?
Tricky to solve, isn't it?
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?
Tricky to solve, isn't it?
Good trick, yes. The difference may not be in the method. The difference may only be in the goal.
Islam's goal is to make slaves so that they freely support Islam.
Freedom's goal is to free all slaves for freedom.
Why does ISIS hate any religion and non believers except their own?
I hate Islam extremists who disrepect us
I hate Islam extremists who disrepect us
I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?
Tricky to solve, isn't it?
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?
Tricky to solve, isn't it?
Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.
Have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? That's where there are some hostages, and the hostages become so fearful of the hostage takers, that they convert into being friends of the hostage takers, just because they think that this might be the only way to survive. And they do it sincerely. Some of them marry their hostage takers. Some of them convert to being part of the hostage taking gang. It's a protection mechanism.
This is how Islam has gained a vast number of their followers. Islamic extremists take people hostage. They threaten the people with death. They may even torture some of the hostages, just to threaten the others. Over a period of time, out of fear, the hostages sincerely convert to Islam, simply so they do not die. Once they have converted sincerely, it is difficult to get them to even look at freedom any longer.
Some of these converted hostages become Islamic extremists.
Don't only hate Islam. Rather, put your hate into action and destroy it. At the same time, free the Muslims.
Have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? That's where there are some hostages, and the hostages become so fearful of the hostage takers, that they convert into being friends of the hostage takers, just because they think that this might be the only way to survive. And they do it sincerely. Some of them marry their hostage takers. Some of them convert to being part of the hostage taking gang. It's a protection mechanism.
This is how Islam has gained a vast number of their followers. Islamic extremists take people hostage. They threaten the people with death. They may even torture some of the hostages, just to threaten the others. Over a period of time, out of fear, the hostages sincerely convert to Islam, simply so they do not die. Once they have converted sincerely, it is difficult to get them to even look at freedom any longer.
Some of these converted hostages become Islamic extremists.
Don't only hate Islam. Rather, put your hate into action and destroy it. At the same time, free the Muslims.
I don't think the one who abandoned a son deserves any defense at all. That's by the way, a form of family violence.
Still, Abraham based means Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are all violent and have a broad notion of self-defense, often attacking those who aren't attacking them.
Still, Abraham based means Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are all violent and have a broad notion of self-defense, often attacking those who aren't attacking them.
You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.
Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.
Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
Yet Abraham wasn't, himself, that way. Just because he was the patriarch of a whole lot of people, doesn't mean that he condoned violence.
The only records of violence that he did were the kind that we ALL should do at times. They were self-defense violence, and defense of family violence. And anyone that doesn't think he should protect his family with violence if necessary, doesn't love his family very much.
Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.
If Islam did this ISLAM would end.
You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.
Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.
Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world
Exactly.
In every religion there are bad people.
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