Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 114. (Read 221072 times)
I believe many people here is confusing "Islam", a fascist ideology disguised as religion, and Muslims, the people who by some reason follows it.
Because of the bad rep its gotten from the press, and lets face it there will always be hate so might is well just ignore it.
Slave trade is highly contested in the NT and compared in the same line as other "sins". Ok, labor conditions at the time makes it hard to distinguish slaves and servants, still your quotes makes clear the thin border, NT forbids its followers from provide sex to their boss, something a slave can't. The slave was full property of his owner and must provide whatever he wants.
True enough, but also not relevant to my point, which is that Christianity did not forbid slavery. Later, the Christian churches evolved and have since (to their credit) condemned the practice, but that is NOT a biblical doctrine.
I've said many times that most people are good despite their religion, and I stand by that. Religions disprove their divine inspiration by the very fact that they DO evolve.
I got into this cuz the OP caught my eye. I have no particular hatred for Islam, I hate religion in general for the evil it has fostered. Most of the adherents are decent enough people. The radicals who use religion to justify their actions would have another cause or no cause if they didn't have that one. Bad people do bad things. But religion does and has encouraged good people to do bad things. And it sometimes works, because the true believer is going to feel guilt for holding back their hand from an evil act if they think their gods command it.
Totally agree with it. I feel bad in defend any, my aim is to avoid the usual "this calls for that but the other also does this". So what?! One violent retard doesn't excuse another violent retard.
BlackHawk then get to know Islam...
Aye. the logical fallacy you reference is "tu qoque" Or "you too" which attempts to justify or deflect by saying, well , you do shit too...
Kind of what I was trying to do here, in fact, was to point out that ALL organized religions do bad shit. I am of the opinion that we could, societally, take the good from all religions and distill it into a basic set of guidelines, dispense with the rest, and be better off.
Those guidelines could be more complex than this, but Bill and Ted's motto is frankly the basis of civil society. "Be excellent to one another". Anything beyond that is details, and anything detracting from that should be discarded as irrelevant and harmful. In my arrogant opinion.
I personally do not hate Muslims -- I'm Catholic
All I hate are those Islamic Extremists and Jihaddists.
All that bullshit about "killing in the name of Allah" and killing and ambushing for fun.
I've watched videos of them beheading people and playing football with the said heads and UGH. It's not a good sight.
Though, I have many Muslim friends, and we get along real well. As long as we respect each other, it's all good.
In fact, I'm classmates with a Muslim, and we're partners in almost everything.
All I hate are those Islamic Extremists and Jihaddists.
All that bullshit about "killing in the name of Allah" and killing and ambushing for fun.
I've watched videos of them beheading people and playing football with the said heads and UGH. It's not a good sight.
Though, I have many Muslim friends, and we get along real well. As long as we respect each other, it's all good.
In fact, I'm classmates with a Muslim, and we're partners in almost everything.
Slave trade is highly contested in the NT and compared in the same line as other "sins". Ok, labor conditions at the time makes it hard to distinguish slaves and servants, still your quotes makes clear the thin border, NT forbids its followers from provide sex to their boss, something a slave can't. The slave was full property of his owner and must provide whatever he wants.
True enough, but also not relevant to my point, which is that Christianity did not forbid slavery. Later, the Christian churches evolved and have since (to their credit) condemned the practice, but that is NOT a biblical doctrine.
I've said many times that most people are good despite their religion, and I stand by that. Religions disprove their divine inspiration by the very fact that they DO evolve.
I got into this cuz the OP caught my eye. I have no particular hatred for Islam, I hate religion in general for the evil it has fostered. Most of the adherents are decent enough people. The radicals who use religion to justify their actions would have another cause or no cause if they didn't have that one. Bad people do bad things. But religion does and has encouraged good people to do bad things. And it sometimes works, because the true believer is going to feel guilt for holding back their hand from an evil act if they think their gods command it.
Totally agree with it. I feel bad in defend any, my aim is to avoid the usual "this calls for that but the other also does this". So what?! One violent retard doesn't excuse another violent retard.
BlackHawk then get to know Islam...
I don't think the people hate Islam. I think people is scared of the unknown. Something about Islam at an occidental's eye can be strange, but it's all about knowledge! 
Slave trade is highly contested in the NT and compared in the same line as other "sins". Ok, labor conditions at the time makes it hard to distinguish slaves and servants, still your quotes makes clear the thin border, NT forbids its followers from provide sex to their boss, something a slave can't. The slave was full property of his owner and must provide whatever he wants.
True enough, but also not relevant to my point, which is that Christianity did not forbid slavery. Later, the Christian churches evolved and have since (to their credit) condemned the practice, but that is NOT a biblical doctrine.
I've said many times that most people are good despite their religion, and I stand by that. Religions disprove their divine inspiration by the very fact that they DO evolve.
I got into this cuz the OP caught my eye. I have no particular hatred for Islam, I hate religion in general for the evil it has fostered. Most of the adherents are decent enough people. The radicals who use religion to justify their actions would have another cause or no cause if they didn't have that one. Bad people do bad things. But religion does and has encouraged good people to do bad things. And it sometimes works, because the true believer is going to feel guilt for holding back their hand from an evil act if they think their gods command it.
Slave trade is highly contested in the NT and compared in the same line as other "sins". Ok, labor conditions at the time makes it hard to distinguish slaves and servants, still your quotes makes clear the thin border, NT forbids its followers from provide sex to their boss, something a slave can't. The slave was full property of his owner and must provide whatever he wants.
And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Show me some place where Christianity, in it's doctrine, does not support slavery? Hell, I'll go look up some scriptures.
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Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. -Ephesians 6:5
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Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. - 1 Peter 2:18
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Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. -Colossians 3:22
There are many more, and I deliberately omitted any in the "old" testament, as Christians tend to try to wiggle out from under that , even if the Gospels and Apostles did say that not one letter of the law would pass away.
Servants and Slaves are different things. A servant was the equivalent to an employee.
In modern parlance this is true. Most translations actually use the term slave, I just grabbed an easy to read one. This is slavery. In the english translations of the bible manservant and maidservant are often used, and they are specifically defined as property, subject to being freed on the Jubilee if they are Hebrew or permanent property unless manumitted if not Hebrew.
I also just grabbed a small sample. There is nothing in the Christian scriptures that is opposed to slavery, and the OT defines it in detail. That definition is based on the Code of Hammurabi, and that appears to be based on an even older set of laws.
All this arguing about the contents of some old book.
Religion is not what is written in a dusty old book... religion is what the self-identifying followers of that religion do. Actions speak far louder than words.
You have a point. Okay.Religion is not what is written in a dusty old book... religion is what the self-identifying followers of that religion do. Actions speak far louder than words.
Here is action that speaks louder than words by a self-identifying follower of the Muslim religion.
http://theothermccain.com/2014/09/26/muslim-convert-beheads-woman-in-oklahoma-terror-atrocity/
All this arguing about the contents of some old book.
Religion is not what is written in a dusty old book... religion is what the self-identifying followers of that religion do. Actions speak far louder than words.
Religion is not what is written in a dusty old book... religion is what the self-identifying followers of that religion do. Actions speak far louder than words.
Look. Let's say that you were hiking in the mountains when you came upon a hidden valley that nobody had ever visited before. And let's say that all over the floor of the hidden valley were nuggets of gold as big as your fist. What would you do? Would you grab a nugget or two and then set up a legal mining claim as fast as you could? Or would you start digging and panning, just hoping you could get a few specks of gold in your pan, when all around you there were the nuggets?
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
And why people doesn't hate Hindus? Or Buddhists? They are pretty much as many as Muslims...
who says they dont hate them?
there is always hate in world between people. it does not matter whether they are Catholic or Muslim, black or white ..
Look. Let's say that you were hiking in the mountains when you came upon a hidden valley that nobody had ever visited before. And let's say that all over the floor of the hidden valley were nuggets of gold as big as your fist. What would you do? Would you grab a nugget or two and then set up a legal mining claim as fast as you could? Or would you start digging and panning, just hoping you could get a few specks of gold in your pan, when all around you there were the nuggets?
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
And why people doesn't hate Hindus? Or Buddhists? They are pretty much as many as Muslims...
And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Show me some place where Christianity, in it's doctrine, does not support slavery? Hell, I'll go look up some scriptures.
Quote
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. -Ephesians 6:5
Quote
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. - 1 Peter 2:18
Quote
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. -Colossians 3:22
There are many more, and I deliberately omitted any in the "old" testament, as Christians tend to try to wiggle out from under that , even if the Gospels and Apostles did say that not one letter of the law would pass away.
Servants and Slaves are different things. A servant was the equivalent to an employee.
Look. Let's say that you were hiking in the mountains when you came upon a hidden valley that nobody had ever visited before. And let's say that all over the floor of the hidden valley were nuggets of gold as big as your fist. What would you do? Would you grab a nugget or two and then set up a legal mining claim as fast as you could? Or would you start digging and panning, just hoping you could get a few specks of gold in your pan, when all around you there were the nuggets?
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate.
Religion:
/rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Atheist:
/eɪθɪɪst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
/rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Atheist:
/eɪθɪɪst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Yep.
Does not negate my statement in any way. In the case of Marxism, the superhuman controlling power is the "hive" or collective, which is able, according to their doctrine, to figure out and provide for all the needs and wants of those within the hive. Democracy, posits society as the superhuman force.
You left out the roots of the word, as well. The root meaning is to bind oneself to a creed or philosophy. In a purely personal sense, so long as it doesn't violate others, religion can be a very useful thing. But when it becomes organized and enforced, it becomes more evil than can be tolerated. Thus, eventually, it falls in on itself. Some faster than others. Christianity and Islam have lasted a rather long time, and both have primarily ruled by fear. No different from any other central authority, with one glaring exception to the "godless" religions: A statement that they are divinely inspired by a being of ultimate authority who must not be questioned. Once people are convinced of that particular load of tripe, they may be made to do ANYTHING with a relatively clean conscience, as it's the "will of god".
I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate islam? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because media'
and Yes, I am a muslim for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE it, and I could be here to clarify things to you.
Also here is something that most people mistake about islam is that "Islam hates other religions" for this I say, Islam does not hate ANY religion, but it suggests to 'invite' them to islam, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because the other religions decided to come into war on Islam.
If you need anything clarified, I am here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care
and Yes, I am a muslim for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE it, and I could be here to clarify things to you.
Also here is something that most people mistake about islam is that "Islam hates other religions" for this I say, Islam does not hate ANY religion, but it suggests to 'invite' them to islam, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because the other religions decided to come into war on Islam.
If you need anything clarified, I am here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care
I dont hate islam but i have an issue with all organized religion. If something is so unique and special that it cannot be objectified in anyway then its safer/wiser/more intelligent to keep the experience personal. By this i mean your experience with god.
And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Show me some place where Christianity, in it's doctrine, does not support slavery? Hell, I'll go look up some scriptures.
Quote
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. -Ephesians 6:5
Quote
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. - 1 Peter 2:18
Quote
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. -Colossians 3:22
There are many more, and I deliberately omitted any in the "old" testament, as Christians tend to try to wiggle out from under that , even if the Gospels and Apostles did say that not one letter of the law would pass away.
Religion:
/rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Atheist:
/eɪθɪɪst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
/rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Atheist:
/eɪθɪɪst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
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Actually, that would be Christianity.
Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements. Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts? Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.Actually, that would be Christianity.
Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks."
The rest is all common knowledge.
Assertion by other party:
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others
Your response:
Actually, that would be Christianity.
Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
Anecdotal evidence does not prove, or even buttress, your assertion.
No other religion comes close to a 100 million people genocide
We'll exclude the Religion of Karl Marx from consideration here.
Why? Because it's godless? It's still as much a religion as Islam or Catholocism. Particularly after being implemented by Lenin and Stalin...
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