Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 116. (Read 221072 times)

In a rational world, bad people do bad things and good people do good things. It takes religion or politics to make good people do bad things.

I'm plagiarizing someone with that paraphrase, but I can't recall who right now

But the point is that religion has some useful things, and a lot of bullshit. I can use the Quran or the Bible to justify ANYTHING. I can't use the non aggression principle to do that. While I agree with your point, out of context, in the context of the real world, wars are started over resources and justified with religion. This pattern is so ancient as to be axiomatic. The names of the gods have changed, but not the uses of them. If we can get people to STOP believing in fairy tales, I think the world will be a more peaceable place. No solution is perfect. Only religions believe in perfect solutions, but the greater good is served by belief in what can be proven rather than what can merely be asserted and enforced at the point of the lance.

Yea except thats when fuckers were on horseback. Muslims cant get out of that, and dont think for one second muslims werent doing the same shit. The difference is Muslims continue to do it, blowing up churches, thousand year old religious sites ect. They continue to murder everyone that isnt a muslim and destroy anything they believe in. This isnt 1592 its 2014 and your muslim brethren are pigs. Fucking A just look at the Yazidiz, women and children starving on a mountain cause they arent muslim or better yet the "right" muslim. Muslims are scum and the world will continue to have this opinion as long as you keep it up,

I think it was more that if all muslims were terrorists, the world would burn. Can't speak for him of course, but that's what I got out of it.

EDIT: This also tends to reinforce something of a personal dictum for me. Most people are good in spite of their religion. Which ought to tell them something about the nature of religion.

sweet! a fellow debater Here's another good site for you, and those interested: logical fallacies and the art of debate

I'm not going to single out Islam, I just found the question of the OP entertaining. But religion as a whole routinely uses all of the logical fallacies.

Let me tell you this all is a bullshits you are saying.

lets start and finish with this" To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses " I do not really have time for your alll bullshit but just to tell you that you read wrong story or fake one. anyway
rape do not need 4 witnesses to prove it.
The thing which need 4 witnesses to proov is zena ( Man who have sex with a women who she is not his wife ) Sorry but do not know if zena in English also or not. anyway this is the only condition you need 4 witnesses to proov.

zena is Punishable by Islam.

about man have 4 wives while women have only one, That's really simple 1400 years old ago the world was full of wars and for sure Men was killed everyday and that was a problem because Women was much more than men, that's why Men can have 4 wives. why Woman have only 1 man ? Simple for Non-mixing of genealogy.
Let me ask you a question.
if your wife have you and more 3 guys, when shy get a baby you will know if this baby yours or not ? and lets say this was in 1905 not now ?

Frindly advise you need Islam in your life, In usa i think youhave huge number of gays and that number increase everyday, you have few men compared to women, can you tell me if 1 man married 1 women how many women will live alone the rest of her life ? Islam resolve your problems really.

Also not everyone can have 4 wives, they is a rules restricted to men, they have to follow it all and if they can not then only 1 wife.

You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.

Some on the right advocate "big government", many advocate "limited government."  The latter is what the Founding Fathers of this country envisioned.

A "reintegration of church and state" is so very far in the "big government direction" you will find very very few on the right that want that.

That "Big Government", that tells you everything you should do and say, that's a very, very Lefty kind of thing.

Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

"20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!"
 
This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. Make sure you read the paragraph  (in red) towards the end.


In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the Western World (Canada , Australia , United States and Britain) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American, Canadian, and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

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Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel. He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ......

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.


In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Shariah advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism

It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.  Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.

(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada , Australia , the U.S. and Britain to elect the heads of Government by themselves!  Rest assured they will do so. You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA. Dearborn, Mich., is one and there are others....) (Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims.)

I think everyone in Canada, Australia, the U.S. and Great Britain should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.  Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.  The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, Australia, the U.S.A. and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America, Australia and Britain .........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonie_Darwish

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/muslimwomen.asp

This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

I don't think that people hate the islam, they hate the people that are acting that their religious is the islam.

Muslims killed a good bit of those! Violence against sunni vs shiite, car bombings of whole markets GTF out. You think those guys being executed by the 100's is the work of America? Muslims kill hundreds of muslims every day its worse than blabk on black crime. No one says USA is the shit it has its own problems, but this is about Islam.

saying one thing and doing another are different things. if you want christian principles to be intertwined with your government, then you want a reintegration of church and state.

gay rights, women's rights, birth control, creationism and whatever else is on the christian/conservative agenda.

can't generalize people like that; people can only be judged as individuals. If a religion has had
bad things done in it's name doesn't make the religion a bad thing

I don't see or hear this.  Ever.   None of the people I know who are fundamentalists have EVER said they want reintegration of church and state.   I am certain you can find some nutcase somewhere and thus prove me wrong.

However to assert a similitude between Muslim push for Sharia law and some creationist arguing for "equal time" or "mentioning" ID in a textbook is total nuts.

These fools are asking to get fucked, not have a discussion. They only listen if someone charges in like the mongols and fucks their women to pieces.

I can't talk about Freedom with someone who doesn't know what Freedom is.
Do you think porn, gays or gambling are freedom? Then you know nothing of what it is! Freedom is put your choices in your hands, make you responsible for your actions and decisions. That's what it is about. Now if adults want to gamble, do porn or are gays... their choices, their call. What is it to you anyway? Do you own shares of someone else's life?
eg: I chose to not drink alcohol, not because some schizophrenic in the VII Century told to, but because I want to.

Your problem is that you blind, Watching USA media and you belive that your government is all good and they gave you freedom. yes we have gay freedom, porn movies right, Gamble, etc.. this is the freedom bro ?

you killed almost 1 million Iraqi, i guess if killed that number in europian country what will happen in this time.
but 1 million Iraqi lol nonne care they are a Muslims they are a terrorits.
and in other countries you fight lets talk about Japan, Vietnam, etc... Is that your success bro ?
You got all that because of Weapon, and that's why you are fear Russia now    
despite Russia has bad economy and lmost nothing special just Moderon weapon.

USA like any other country mate you just blind and see its the best in all time.

Power comes from success.
Don't insist into justify your own failures with others' success. That's the way of the losers.
If Islam wasn't so violent, and so violent even within itself, it would had prevail by now. But the truth is Islam has nothing to offer to the World, it's stuck at VII Century, way outdated and will just keep causing conflicts as long as it exist.

I'm not saying however Islam is the only cause of conflicts, or that by eliminating Islam we will eliminate war and fights. But at least we would get rid of one of its sources.

Nope is not it. only Iraq, Syria and Lybia at this moment. Muslims fight themselves ?
When this happed in Europe and USA then come back here and say you are a terrorists.

Everyone know that Terrorism made by the USA to fight Russia and then to be the reason of any comming wr like Iraq, Afghanistan. Why USA do not seed army again to save Iraq i tell you why, Because USA have done and they get what they planned for, oil, money, etc..
everyone know that but the Power usa have force anyone to keep silent.