Don't get me wrong there, there's plenty of stuff from Islam I don't mind. I don't care what they believe, if they eat pork or not, if they drink or not, if they pray ass up or upside down in a pool, and so on...
My only issue with it is the violent, misogynistic, compulsory and predatory behavior coming out from their "instructions manual". And I don't apply this rule to Islam alone, any other with similar behavior I will give it the very same treatment.
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As an atheist too I couldn't care less of what books wrote by people who think Earth is flat wrote, but I acknowledge their influence in some nowadays human behavior.
That's quite a healthy and rare stance. It does influence the lives of billions of people. I don't mind religions at all unless certain people try forcing their beliefs on me.Apparently there are quite a few people with a medieval mindset who don't get it. But they don't want to stay in the countries that are total shitholes because most of the other people there believe similar stuff and it retards all progress.
Well duh....
As an atheist too I couldn't care less of what books wrote by people who think Earth is flat wrote, but I acknowledge their influence in some nowadays human behavior.
That's quite a healthy and rare stance. It does influence the lives of billions of people. I don't mind religions at all unless certain people try forcing their beliefs on me.
As an atheist too I couldn't care less of what books wrote by people who think Earth is flat wrote, but I acknowledge their influence in some nowadays human behavior.
That's quite a healthy and rare stance. It does influence the lives of billions of people. I don't mind religions at all unless certain people try forcing their beliefs on me.
As an atheist too I couldn't care less of what books wrote by people who think Earth is flat say, but I acknowledge their influence in some nowadays human behavior.
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?! 
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
Do the opposite? Other people and religions are generally peaceful, and Muslims are supposed to do the opposite? Now I get it! Poor Muslims... a people who can't be peaceful like they want, and follow the directives of their own religion at the same time. Poor Muslims... some of the most pathetic people in the world. Destroy Islam and free the Muslims thereby.
all the twist and turn comes from the Hadith, Quran like every religion preaches good things ,but the hardcore stuffs or the extreme elements of the religion does not follow quran, back then when they wanted to change some things they would add some things by the clergy they would add those in hadith and convince the followers that its being said by god. Different brances of Islam does have different hadith quotes according to their convenience. so what i have to tell to the extreme elements is that don't mix religion with weird thoughts
I agree and disagree both in part.
Radical Islam has it's roots in writings such as those of Sayyad Qutb, who write his own commentaries and booklets on "interpreting the Quran and Hadith." Viewed through a filter such as that of Qutb, the primary documents become advocacy of pure evil.
My statement above is likely one that both Westerners and followers of Islam could agree on...
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?!
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
But you describe, essentially "tribal behavior."
I was just being honest as to what I "hate." Not even saying that my attitude is "right," by the way.
We don't have any disagreement as to facts. At least a dozen times I have heard Muslims argue that "Islam is perfect," but "men, practicing Muslims, were imperfect." Other times they have argued that "Islamic Terrorists" were neither Islamic nor Muslim. These seem to be straightforward logical fallacies and cases of such as psychological denial.
As an atheist it means zero to me to attempt to prove something by quoting chapter and verse of an old book. I am persuadable by logic, and by facts. Kind of boring, actually, lol...
Quran preaches for Muslims to do violence. Look back in this post for the info. Or look here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10381547.
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?!
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
Do the opposite? Other people and religions are generally peaceful, and Muslims are supposed to do the opposite? Now I get it! Poor Muslims... a people who can't be peaceful like they want, and follow the directives of their own religion at the same time. Poor Muslims... some of the most pathetic people in the world. Destroy Islam and free the Muslims thereby.
all the twist and turn comes from the Hadith, Quran like every religion preaches good things ,but the hardcore stuffs or the extreme elements of the religion does not follow quran, back then when they wanted to change some things they would add some things by the clergy they would add those in hadith and convince the followers that its being said by god. Different brances of Islam does have different hadith quotes according to their convenience. so what i have to tell to the extreme elements is that don't mix religion with weird thoughts
What you have just said is, we don't need the Quran. Get rid of it and follow the Hadiths. And if you don't like the Hadiths that are in operation now, change them, right? Make some new ones. Twist Islam all around to make it better than ever, right?
You are an extreme element with weird thoughts.
The Hadith are a complement to Islam, they are a sort of the perfect muslim biography.
Still you don't need to resource it if you seek violence, the Quran has enough of violent orders to follow.
Still you don't need to resource it if you seek violence, the Quran has enough of violent orders to follow.
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?!
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
Do the opposite? Other people and religions are generally peaceful, and Muslims are supposed to do the opposite? Now I get it! Poor Muslims... a people who can't be peaceful like they want, and follow the directives of their own religion at the same time. Poor Muslims... some of the most pathetic people in the world. Destroy Islam and free the Muslims thereby.
all the twist and turn comes from the Hadith, Quran like every religion preaches good things ,but the hardcore stuffs or the extreme elements of the religion does not follow quran, back then when they wanted to change some things they would add some things by the clergy they would add those in hadith and convince the followers that its being said by god. Different brances of Islam does have different hadith quotes according to their convenience. so what i have to tell to the extreme elements is that don't mix religion with weird thoughts
Sorry to disappoint you, but no religion, or ideology, is "peaceful". This roots out from the fact that, despite we keep listening to it, nobody wants "peace in the world", because under such we would become meaningless dewellers crushed under the unbearable weight of the purpose of our existence. To seek purpose we came up with that "world peace" thing, which most understand as "there will be peace if they obey me".
However some ideologies and methods can cause too much havoc out of our seek for conflicts. And whatever worked for Christians will cause the opposite effect if applied to Islam; illiterate Christians are more violent so literacy (education) may calm them down... but not for Islam! Illiterate Muslims are way more peaceful than educated ones. This comes from the set example, the foundation rock; Xtians are told to take Jesus as a perfect example, so if they actually know what Jesus did they will become more peaceful, Islam does the same but with Muhammad and this last one was anything but peace.
Same goes to Democracy; works with other religions, because they're "just it", causes havoc at Islam because Islam is itself a political system and a totalitarian one, unwilling to share its space with anything.
However some ideologies and methods can cause too much havoc out of our seek for conflicts. And whatever worked for Christians will cause the opposite effect if applied to Islam; illiterate Christians are more violent so literacy (education) may calm them down... but not for Islam! Illiterate Muslims are way more peaceful than educated ones. This comes from the set example, the foundation rock; Xtians are told to take Jesus as a perfect example, so if they actually know what Jesus did they will become more peaceful, Islam does the same but with Muhammad and this last one was anything but peace.
Same goes to Democracy; works with other religions, because they're "just it", causes havoc at Islam because Islam is itself a political system and a totalitarian one, unwilling to share its space with anything.
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?!
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
Do the opposite? Other people and religions are generally peaceful, and Muslims are supposed to do the opposite? Now I get it! Poor Muslims... a people who can't be peaceful like they want, and follow the directives of their own religion at the same time. Poor Muslims... some of the most pathetic people in the world. Destroy Islam and free the Muslims thereby.
So you don't hate Islam however think it needs to kill some ISIS members because they're "evil"... by following Islam to the letter?!
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
And don't mistake Islam for anything you know, the Quran is composed by direct commands, not by stories or metaphors open to any interpretation.
I believe one entry in the hadith sums it up:
Quote from: Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
That's what Islam is by design; "do the opposite of what they (other religions) do", and from there comes the issue westerns have to understand it.
Hate Islam, not Muslims. But if Muslims become Islam, take them down along with Islam.
dosent matters if they have ever dealt with them personally, but your logic doesn't finds it important ,isin't it ?
Rock in the road.
Never hate a Muslim.
Most Muslims aren't Islam - they only think that they are Islamic.
Hate Islam; take it down.
If a Muslim forces himself in the way by becoming Islamic, take him down. But don't hate him.
it is really childish to hate anyone when you dont know why you hate them .
This is true, at least somewhat.
Don't hate Muslims. Hate Islam. Generally Muslims aren't Islam. Islam is the teaching written in the Quran and Hadiths. Few Muslims (percentagewise) really know what it says in the Islamic writings.
i cant understand what this means. the people who follow islam are known as muslims. if not for islam there wont be muslims
, so what are u trying to tell here.Do you really want us to hate the people rather than the religion? Or do you think that it is impossible to hate the religion without hating the people?
Hate Islam, not Muslims. But if Muslims become Islam, take them down along with Islam.
dosent matters if they have ever dealt with them personally, but your logic doesn't finds it important ,isin't it ?
Rock in the road.
Never hate a Muslim.
Most Muslims aren't Islam - they only think that they are Islamic.
Hate Islam; take it down.
If a Muslim forces himself in the way by becoming Islamic, take him down. But don't hate him.
it is really childish to hate anyone when you dont know why you hate them .
This is true, at least somewhat.
Don't hate Muslims. Hate Islam. Generally Muslims aren't Islam. Islam is the teaching written in the Quran and Hadiths. Few Muslims (percentagewise) really know what it says in the Islamic writings.
i cant understand what this means. the people who follow islam are known as muslims. if not for islam there wont be muslims
, so what are u trying to tell here.Do you really want us to hate the people rather than the religion? Or do you think that it is impossible to hate the religion without hating the people?
Hate Islam, not Muslims. But if Muslims become Islam, take them down along with Islam.
dosent matters if they have ever dealt with them personally, but your logic doesn't finds it important ,isin't it ?
Rock in the road.
Never hate a Muslim.
Most Muslims aren't Islam - they only think that they are Islamic.
Hate Islam; take it down.
If a Muslim forces himself in the way by becoming Islamic, take him down. But don't hate him.
it is really childish to hate anyone when you dont know why you hate them .
This is true, at least somewhat.
Don't hate Muslims. Hate Islam. Generally Muslims aren't Islam. Islam is the teaching written in the Quran and Hadiths. Few Muslims (percentagewise) really know what it says in the Islamic writings.
i cant understand what this means. the people who follow islam are known as muslims. if not for islam there wont be muslims
, so what are u trying to tell here.Hate Islam, not Muslims. But if Muslims become Islam, take them down along with Islam.
dosent matters if they have ever dealt with them personally, but your logic doesn't finds it important ,isin't it ?
Rock in the road.
Never hate a Muslim.
Most Muslims aren't Islam - they only think that they are Islamic.
Hate Islam; take it down.
If a Muslim forces himself in the way by becoming Islamic, take him down. But don't hate him.
it is really childish to hate anyone when you dont know why you hate them .
This is true, at least somewhat.
Don't hate Muslims. Hate Islam. Generally Muslims aren't Islam. Islam is the teaching written in the Quran and Hadiths. Few Muslims (percentagewise) really know what it says in the Islamic writings.
i cant understand what this means. the people who follow islam are known as muslims. if not for islam there wont be muslims
, so what are u trying to tell here.If a Christian walks down the road, and you follow the Christian as you walk, does that make you a Christian?
If you follow Islam, that does not make you Islam. It makes you a Muslim.
Kill Islam, not the Muslim, except if he is killing you first.
if i follow somebody down the road what i think is i am following somebody . not his mentality
killing islam means killing the religion.is that what u are trying to tell
Now you are getting it. Save the Muslim. Convert him back to a living human being by killing the religion, Islam.
Because people is just stupid hating islam is not a good thing. You need to hate the people who do bad things not the islam.
They are a lot of islam that they are nice people.
They are a lot of islam that they are nice people.
Hate Islam, not Muslims. But if Muslims become Islam, take them down along with Islam.
dosent matters if they have ever dealt with them personally, but your logic doesn't finds it important ,isin't it ?
Rock in the road.
Never hate a Muslim.
Most Muslims aren't Islam - they only think that they are Islamic.
Hate Islam; take it down.
If a Muslim forces himself in the way by becoming Islamic, take him down. But don't hate him.
it is really childish to hate anyone when you dont know why you hate them .
This is true, at least somewhat.
Don't hate Muslims. Hate Islam. Generally Muslims aren't Islam. Islam is the teaching written in the Quran and Hadiths. Few Muslims (percentagewise) really know what it says in the Islamic writings.
i cant understand what this means. the people who follow islam are known as muslims. if not for islam there wont be muslims
, so what are u trying to tell here.If a Christian walks down the road, and you follow the Christian as you walk, does that make you a Christian?
If you follow Islam, that does not make you Islam. It makes you a Muslim.
Kill Islam, not the Muslim, except if he is killing you first.
if i follow somebody down the road what i think is i am following somebody . not his mentality
killing islam means killing the religion.is that what u are trying to tell
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