Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 73. (Read 221077 times)
Maybe because people think "Most of the terrorists are Islamist" but that was "stereotyping" specially nowadays that bombings and killings are done by those terrorist, people feel that they are always the culprit... lets not judge them in general...
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. You see what's happening is
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
You have a number of logical fallacies.
Islam = Terrorism Straw man argument.
Islam is peace Overly broad generalization
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. "True Scotsman" logical fallacy.
There is nothing wrong with describing a group of Muslims engaged in terrorism as "Violent Muslim extremists." Etc.
And there is nothing wrong with describing any or all of them as potential terrorists, because there is too much violence in their sacred writings to deem them anything else. Sleeper Muslims.
In their sacred writings???
have you ever read the bible???
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. You see what's happening is
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
You have a number of logical fallacies.
Islam = Terrorism Straw man argument.
Islam is peace Overly broad generalization
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. "True Scotsman" logical fallacy.
There is nothing wrong with describing a group of Muslims engaged in terrorism as "Violent Muslim extremists." Etc.
And there is nothing wrong with describing any or all of them as potential terrorists, because there is too much violence in their sacred writings to deem them anything else. Sleeper Muslims.
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. You see what's happening is
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
You have a number of logical fallacies.
Islam = Terrorism Straw man argument.
Islam is peace Overly broad generalization
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. "True Scotsman" logical fallacy.
There is nothing wrong with describing a group of Muslims engaged in terrorism as "Violent Muslim extremists." Etc.
Man, it's kinda sad and a bit pathetic to see how some of you out here, how small you make your world out to be.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Well said I just hope that everyone just shut up and accept that not every one is a bad person.
And oh I didn't knew that they are using this religion as an excuse maybe are real muslim but they are using it wrong.
Indeed they are, In my opinion, I think that people should just say that (insert name person) did this or that. Not say it based on a religion, race or skin color.
Malcolm X was black. It was black Muslims in America who killed him.
Man, it's kinda sad and a bit pathetic to see how some of you out here, how small you make your world out to be.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Well said I just hope that everyone just shut up and accept that not every one is a bad person.
And oh I didn't knew that they are using this religion as an excuse maybe are real muslim but they are using it wrong.
Indeed they are, In my opinion, I think that people should just say that (insert name person) did this or that. Not say it based on a religion, race or skin color.
Maybe because people think "Most of the terrorists are Islamist" but that was "stereotyping" specially nowadays that bombings and killings are done by those terrorist, people feel that they are always the culprit... lets not judge them in general...
Yes exactly, that's exactly what these terrorist are doing, shedding the Islam in bad light. I feel bad for the true Muslims out there who are the innocent ones.
I'll respect any human being who doesn't mean any harm, no matter what religion they have or where the come from.
Doesn't really matter to me. But if they are a terroist, no matter what religion you're not a good person in my book.
Doesn't really matter to me. But if they are a terroist, no matter what religion you're not a good person in my book.
Yah that is about right. I just hate people who is hating other people that didn't do anything.
I just wish that will be peace in the worl.
I'll respect any human being who doesn't mean any harm, no matter what religion they have or where the come from.
Doesn't really matter to me. But if they are a terroist, no matter what religion you're not a good person in my book.
Doesn't really matter to me. But if they are a terroist, no matter what religion you're not a good person in my book.
Man, it's kinda sad and a bit pathetic to see how some of you out here, how small you make your world out to be.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Well said I just hope that everyone just shut up and accept that not every one is a bad person.
And oh I didn't knew that they are using this religion as an excuse maybe are real muslim but they are using it wrong.
Man, it's kinda sad and a bit pathetic to see how some of you out here, how small you make your world out to be.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
Not every Muslim is a terrorist. These terrorist are not actually Muslim they are using this religion as an excuse to do what they do and shed bad light on the true Muslim believers.
well the cause of that is because of the terrorist, most of them are muslims, people generalize muslims for being violence
which is not true.
Those muslims who would kill you couldn't care less.which is not true.
Man just stop. I just feel bad that muslims get the blame what happen in the media.
Those terrorist are just fake muslim. I have a muslim friends and he/she ithey are so friendly.
At least one person has seen the true concept of Islam. You see what's happening is
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
that the media is brainwashing everyone to think that Islam is trying to oppress women,
etc. where in fact it preaches the opposite. You also get the muslim extremists who
try to force Islam to the world, but like I said they are the extremists. I think we muslims
should speak louder to the world, and its happening but no one is listening. Take the
Israeli attack on the flotilla for example, there were a lot of happenings that the media
havent included. If the people in the flotilla were armed then why is it that there was no
Israeli soldier killed? That is just one example. Many people believe Islam = Terrorism
when in fact Islam is peace. That's why whenever I get the opportunity I tell people to
look in to the Quran and tafseer before saying that Islam is terrorism.
well the cause of that is because of the terrorist, most of them are muslims, people generalize muslims for being violence
which is not true.
Those muslims who would kill you couldn't care less. which is not true.
well the cause of that is because of the terrorist, most of them are muslims, people generalize muslims for being violence
which is not true.
which is not true.
Almost all Muslims are peaceful. People must be peaceful to live and grow, and to be able to trade with other people.
At the same time, most Muslims do not know enough of their Islamic writings to see that they are being called to convert other people to Islam, and then called to violence when people obstinately refuse to convert.
EDIT: A perfect example - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/saudi-court-upholds-bloggers-10-years-and-1000-lashes-1084299. If the guy doesn't die from the lashes, he would have been better off if they had executed him. He'll be crippled for life after 1,000 lashes. And they won't care for him in prison for the 10 years. All because he was too harsh in his speaking about some of the injustices of Islam.
well the cause of that is because of the terrorist, most of them are muslims, people generalize muslims for being violence
which is not true.
which is not true.
Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed. I rewrote the sentence while translating it, and the remainder of the previous "edition" stayed in the form of "not".
I read an interesting anecdote ("joke") newly:
I think this sums it up pretty well. Not exactly hating Islam, like not exactly hating Christianity of any other religion, but the abuse of said religions.
Quote
ISIS terrorist stop a car with a Christian pair.
ISIS: "Are you a Muslim?"
Christian: "Yes, I'm a Muslim."
ISIS: "If you are a Muslim, then recite a sura from Quaran."
The Christian recites a verse from the Bible.
ISIS: "Very well, you may pass."
After a few minutes, the wife, barely alive from fright, tell her husband: "I can't believe you took such a risk. Why did you say you are a Muslim? If he understood that you were lying, he would have killed us both!"
To which the husband replies: "You fret needlessly. If they knew Quaran, they would not have never been killing people."
ISIS: "Are you a Muslim?"
Christian: "Yes, I'm a Muslim."
ISIS: "If you are a Muslim, then recite a sura from Quaran."
The Christian recites a verse from the Bible.
ISIS: "Very well, you may pass."
After a few minutes, the wife, barely alive from fright, tell her husband: "I can't believe you took such a risk. Why did you say you are a Muslim? If he understood that you were lying, he would have killed us both!"
To which the husband replies: "You fret needlessly. If they knew Quaran, they would not have never been killing people."
I think this sums it up pretty well. Not exactly hating Islam, like not exactly hating Christianity of any other religion, but the abuse of said religions.
Yes, cute joke.
But I don't understand what is meant by "You fret needlessly. If they knew Quaran, they would not have never been killing people." It has a double negative in it.
If all Muslims knew the Quran entirely, they would be out to convert the whole world to Islam. Only those who remained obstinately in their own non-Islamic religion would be killed, once it became obvious that they were not going to convert to Islam.
I read an interesting anecdote ("joke") newly:
I think this sums it up pretty well. Not exactly hating Islam, like not exactly hating Christianity of any other religion, but the abuse of said religions.
Quote
ISIS terrorist stops a car with a Christian pair.
ISIS: "Are you a Muslim?"
Christian: "Yes, I'm a Muslim."
ISIS: "If you are a Muslim, then recite a sura from Quaran."
The Christian recites a verse from the Bible.
ISIS: "Very well, you may pass."
After a few minutes, the wife, barely alive from fright, tells her husband: "I can't believe you took such a risk. Why did you say you are a Muslim? If he understood that you were lying, he would have killed us both!"
To which the husband replies: "You fret needlessly. If they knew Quaran, they would have never been killing people."
ISIS: "Are you a Muslim?"
Christian: "Yes, I'm a Muslim."
ISIS: "If you are a Muslim, then recite a sura from Quaran."
The Christian recites a verse from the Bible.
ISIS: "Very well, you may pass."
After a few minutes, the wife, barely alive from fright, tells her husband: "I can't believe you took such a risk. Why did you say you are a Muslim? If he understood that you were lying, he would have killed us both!"
To which the husband replies: "You fret needlessly. If they knew Quaran, they would have never been killing people."
I think this sums it up pretty well. Not exactly hating Islam, like not exactly hating Christianity of any other religion, but the abuse of said religions.
There may be serious dedicated fighters who believe they are Muslim, but they are not true Muslims -- they are not following Mohammed's example. The Jihadists are following Mohammed's example by trying to strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Most Muslims, like most Christians, are just average people who know almost nothing about their religion.
I understand your point of view, but to me it simply indicates that Islam is a flawed belief system. Note, believers think it is a "perfect" system, but then their vision of Perfect varies wildly between sects. That is why I view it as algorithmically flawed, unless the various interpretations gravitate somehow toward a common central goal.Any idea what that common central goal is?
Both peaceful and barbaric methods do seem to be operating in this fashion.
And verse versa for jews and christians, ever seen paid campaigns in the arabic world? it's on Google, FB and everywhere that have adsense or ads, that only seem to be natural for anyone to will for people to unite the same as his beliefes, thinking that it will turn the world better, judging by the many versions of the bible and other books, quran seems to be the only book unchanged, also the only to have united all relegions, seems just right to me, but of course I respect your beliefs as well.
You got it - but the context of the question was whether "Islam was a perfect belief system, or a flawed belief system." I said flawed, unless the peaceful and violent methods worked hand in hand toward the same goal.
And if you agree with me that that is so, then all those who claim here that "Islam is peace" would not be truthful.
It's not a religion of peace when it comes to defending it self, it's a religion of peace if people leave the muslims alone, even a small kitty can bite you if you treat it badly and islam is not a small kitty, it's a belief of many brave men, and I don't see how good people treat islamic countries by trying to spread their own democracy and believes, maybe everyone should just admit that muslims have their own thing and they will not be like the rest of the world, and maybe it's better to let them be whatever they want, that too is a kind of freedom. I know one thing, if its not broke, don't try to fix it, especially if its not yours than don't touch it at all.
I understand that EU and USA is trying to help taking down dictatorship, I think you can see the result with your eyes, it's a huge mess right now, trying to fix that mess lead into bigger one, it reach EU now in Paris that was not good as well, innocent people died in the whole Arabic world for this crap of EU and US helping and now many innocent people are dying in EU for the same crap revenge etc...
Unfortunately it's quite the utter reverse - Muslims will not leave non Muslims alone. Not at all. Not in the countries of non-Muslims.
They attack our good soldiers in Ft. Hood, Texas, in Dallas, where there is a Mohammad cartoon contest. They behead an innocent woman in Oklahoma. They blow up innocent people any and everywhere.
Anyway the question was not one of violence or non-violence, but of the perpetuation of a myth that "Islam is perfect."
Islam is perfect but people are not, people tend to read and explain on their own way for personal gain even they know it's not right, the problem is when they think they are doing the right thing.
I am sorry to hear what's going to innocent people that have no hand on anything but the will to live which is person's gift from the mighty, some people have only that right such as me, I have nothing in life but I am always thankful and satisfied with what I have, as long as one is healthy and surviving.
I really hate violence pretty much, and I tell you that I am not satisfied with what I see from all parts of humans in general, I find it hard to understand how people think when they are doing what they are doing, I have hard time understanding greed, we all love money, but I love hard earned money, and I hate power and never wish to be part of it, at all, unfortunately what you see today from any part is fight over money and power, it was never religion issue, people tend to cover up using religions and causes.
I pray this chaos finish, once and for all.
Even if my argument is perfect logically, it could be wrong in the practical sense. That's the way of human experience. I don't agree that "Islam is perfect," but respect other people that think such. Interesting though, that Christians do not think that "Christianity is perfect."
I wonder why the vast difference.
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I think the difference is in the belief as thinking islam is perfect is part of the whole belief, if one don't agree with it he would feel that he is not a muslim, that's one of the educations of islam and major part of it, so don't find it strange when a muslim tells you it's perfect, it's perfect for him.
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