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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 11, 2015, 08:31:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Thank you for informing me of things that I know. You are such a wonderful person for doing so.

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

I can not stop, because I see that you use the word religion instead of spiritual...

I am sure that if you read the whole Bible, you will see that there isn't such a word like ''religion''. This word is create by us (humans) to define something that we still don't understand it. What is written in the Bible and what is interpreted by the church is very different!

I can not remember now, but will you please give your definition about what is the meaning of the word ''religion'' and what is ''spiritual''? - In your point of view, please!

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach?
No, it is time for a revolution and the only way to start the revolution is to start talk against the preachers, because their the ones who bring this world in to chaos!

Some people have a religion of spirituality. Some people have a religion of materialism. Most people incorporate some spirituality and some materialism into their personal religion. Since we are both spiritual and material beings, there is nothing wrong with incorporating both into our religion. There is danger, however. Wherein? Wrong spiritualism, and wrong materialism.

Sometimes revolution is good. Revolution is NOT good if it is rebellion against the God of the Bible. What is rebellion against God? It is not believing in Jesus salvation as explained in the Bible.

You are free. You are not forced to believe in Jesus salvation. But, it will be good for you if you do believe.

Get Jesus salvation however you can. The only clear way is through the Bible.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

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Quote from: tennozer on December 08, 2015, 08:40:53 AM

All religions are same, they are created by people. People hate people, so you can figure it out.
It's not special for Islam, you can see the same issue in all other religions.

You are right, ever religion is created so it can control the people, but let me ask something... Is there any difference between the word religion and spirituality?

Here, I will tell my definition: Religion is a group of people who is guided by one person who tells them what to think. Spirituality is group of people who is guided by one person who instead of telling them what to think he makes them think i.e. a way of life.

So if you take the Bible, the New Testament and the books of Apostle Paul you will see the difference in that two words. Paul teach his people how to think by parabolas and examples.

In other words, pure Bible religion tries to control people... for their own good.

Dude, if you think logically, what is written in the Bible and what the preachers telling us to do is so different...

For example, when you go to church you have pay for the candles or if you want some souvenir you have to pay for that. Do you think that is normal?

Let me remind you what happen when Christ enter in the temple of Jerusalem:

Matthew 9:9-13

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Thank you for informing me of things that I know. You are such a wonderful person for doing so.

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

I can not stop, because I see that you use the word religion instead of spiritual...

I am sure that if you read the whole Bible, you will see that there isn't such a word like ''religion''. This word is create by us (humans) to define something that we still don't understand it. What is written in the Bible and what is interpreted by the church is very different!

I can not remember now, but will you please give your definition about what is the meaning of the word ''religion'' and what is ''spiritual''? - In your point of view, please!

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach?
No, it is time for a revolution and the only way to start the revolution is to start talk against the preachers, because their the ones who bring this world in to chaos!

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Quote from: Biomech on December 10, 2015, 11:41:38 PM

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Do you really think you need to make excuses for yourself to me? Cheesy

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t:

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atheist
[ey-thee-ist]

noun
1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Everything you said following this was based upon either deliberately or accidentally ignoring that which has been highlighted.

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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

Not sure what you are getting at.

Disbelieving something is simply a stronger way to say it that to say believing it is not.

For example, in law, if there is a void judgement, one would not say, "the judgment is void." To say, "the judgment is void" is to at least suggest that there was a judgment. If it is said like, "the void judgment," there is denial that the judgment even existed.

Call it what you will, or attempt to believe or disbelieve what you will, the fact is that there is scientific proof that God exists. Someday, this proof may be overturned. There are reasonable theories that are almost doing it right now by becoming proof. Until they come out of the theory stage, God exists.

In the face of proof, disbelieving is a religion... especially if it is expressed with evermore firmly understood and repeated dogma.

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Quote from: Biomech on December 10, 2015, 11:41:38 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 09:19:09 PM

Do you really think you need to make excuses for yourself to me? Cheesy

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t:

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atheist
[ey-thee-ist]

noun
1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Everything you said following this was based upon either deliberately or accidentally ignoring that which has been highlighted.

Here's one for you :

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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

In discussion of religion, the use of logical fallacies to promote one's position lends credence to the opposing side. An interesting question is whether any of the great religious figures produced arguments with logical errors embedded in them.

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Anarchy is not chaos.

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 09:19:09 PM

Do you really think you need to make excuses for yourself to me? Cheesy

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t:

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atheist
[ey-thee-ist]

noun
1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Everything you said following this was based upon either deliberately or accidentally ignoring that which has been highlighted.

Here's one for you :

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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

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islam is terroristic religion.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 04:09:13 PM

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Quote from: BCEmporium on December 10, 2015, 01:47:40 PM

Boarding schools were... "educating".
That term leaves me a bit unrest due to its broad meaning.
Why not teach to read, let kids access all information and let them figure it out?

That's what I vigorously agree with. Teach the kids heavy and complex reading, writing, and arithmetic for 3 hours a day at school. Let the kids, parents, and teachers work together to see if anybody wants to learn more. Let them choose other classes if they want, on a totally voluntary basis, with no additional classes required.

What about history and government and art, etc., that some people think all kids should learn? Teach it in the part of reading that has to do with literature... one hour a day. Some of it can even be taught along with math and writing.

Let the kids start early learning a trade - and getting paid for it - during the rest of their day.

Fresh idea. Makes sense.

This is the way it was in the 1800s in America.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: BCEmporium on December 10, 2015, 01:47:40 PM

Boarding schools were... "educating".
That term leaves me a bit unrest due to its broad meaning.
Why not teach to read, let kids access all information and let them figure it out?

That's what I vigorously agree with. Teach the kids heavy and complex reading, writing, and arithmetic for 3 hours a day at school. Let the kids, parents, and teachers work together to see if anybody wants to learn more. Let them choose other classes if they want, on a totally voluntary basis, with no additional classes required.

What about history and government and art, etc., that some people think all kids should learn? Teach it in the part of reading that has to do with literature... one hour a day. Some of it can even be taught along with math and writing.

Let the kids start early learning a trade - and getting paid for it - during the rest of their day.

Fresh idea. Makes sense.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on December 10, 2015, 01:47:40 PM

Boarding schools were... "educating".
That term leaves me a bit unrest due to its broad meaning.
Why not teach to read, let kids access all information and let them figure it out?

That's what I vigorously agree with. Teach the kids heavy and complex reading, writing, and arithmetic for 3 hours a day at school. Let the kids, parents, and teachers work together to see if anybody wants to learn more. Let them choose other classes if they want, on a totally voluntary basis, with no additional classes required.

What about history and government and art, etc., that some people think all kids should learn? Teach it in the part of reading that has to do with literature... one hour a day. Some of it can even be taught along with math and writing.

Let the kids start early learning a trade - and getting paid for it - during the rest of their day.

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Boarding schools were... "educating".
That term leaves me a bit unrest due to its broad meaning.
Why not teach to read, let kids access all information and let them figure it out?

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:13:48 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

Are you preaching again, Fluffer? Cheesy

No. Educating.

That's what I wanted to hear... educating, just like all the other preachers. Cheesy

Preacher is motivational.
Teacher is informational.

That's a good comeback. But it really is a mixture of the two... at least a lot of the time.

Cheesy

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 12:12:44 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 12:07:39 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

Are you preaching again, Fluffer? Cheesy

No. Educating.

That's what I wanted to hear... educating, just like all the other preachers. Cheesy

Preacher is motivational.
Teacher is informational.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 12:07:39 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

Are you preaching again, Fluffer? Cheesy

No. Educating.

That's what I wanted to hear... educating, just like all the other preachers. Cheesy

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 12:07:39 PM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

Are you preaching again, Fluffer? Cheesy

No. Educating.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 10, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

Are you preaching again, Fluffer? Cheesy

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Quote from: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

Better still, let's just ignore all the preachers. That way there's no danger of inadvertently listening to a bad one, and anything the good ones tell you is worthless anyway. It's a win-win. Cheesy

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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 10, 2015, 08:46:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 09:57:45 AM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 09, 2015, 09:09:40 AM

Quote from: tennozer on December 08, 2015, 08:40:53 AM

All religions are same, they are created by people. People hate people, so you can figure it out.
It's not special for Islam, you can see the same issue in all other religions.

You are right, ever religion is created so it can control the people, but let me ask something... Is there any difference between the word religion and spirituality?

Here, I will tell my definition: Religion is a group of people who is guided by one person who tells them what to think. Spirituality is group of people who is guided by one person who instead of telling them what to think he makes them think i.e. a way of life.

So if you take the Bible, the New Testament and the books of Apostle Paul you will see the difference in that two words. Paul teach his people how to think by parabolas and examples.

In other words, pure Bible religion tries to control people... for their own good.

Dude, if you think logically, what is written in the Bible and what the preachers telling us to do is so different...

For example, when you go to church you have pay for the candles or if you want some souvenir you have to pay for that. Do you think that is normal?

Let me remind you what happen when Christ enter in the temple of Jerusalem:

Matthew 9:9-13

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Thank you for informing me of things that I know. You are such a wonderful person for doing so.

Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture.

Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion.

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Quote from: Biomech on December 09, 2015, 07:26:54 PM

...Unfortunately, and you too will experience this if you can get past your will against thought, the deeper down that particular rabbit hole you go, the more you find the untruths. I've never said that I can prove or disprove the God Concept itself. Disproving Christianity, and pretty much any other formal religion, that is frankly a High School philosophy project. It's not even difficult. One cannot, of course, overcome willful cognitive dissonance, but it must make you uncomfortable, no? ...

I see this matter quite differently, as being a question whether the universe is poor in intelligence and consciousness (say only man and god) or rich in such attributes (basically, smarts everywhere, way beyond us).

The first concept has resembles pre-Copernican astronautical concepts more than anything else, yet all religions were formed on this level of understanding.

The second solves a number of difficult questions quite nicely. For example, the matter of "original causation."

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 09:57:45 AM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 09, 2015, 09:09:40 AM

Quote from: tennozer on December 08, 2015, 08:40:53 AM

All religions are same, they are created by people. People hate people, so you can figure it out.
It's not special for Islam, you can see the same issue in all other religions.

You are right, ever religion is created so it can control the people, but let me ask something... Is there any difference between the word religion and spirituality?

Here, I will tell my definition: Religion is a group of people who is guided by one person who tells them what to think. Spirituality is group of people who is guided by one person who instead of telling them what to think he makes them think i.e. a way of life.

So if you take the Bible, the New Testament and the books of Apostle Paul you will see the difference in that two words. Paul teach his people how to think by parabolas and examples.

In other words, pure Bible religion tries to control people... for their own good.

Dude, if you think logically, what is written in the Bible and what the preachers telling us to do is so different...

For example, when you go to church you have pay for the candles or if you want some souvenir you have to pay for that. Do you think that is normal?

Let me remind you what happen when Christ enter in the temple of Jerusalem:

Matthew 9:9-13

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

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