Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 69. (Read 221077 times)

Holy shit, someone reasonable bought Beliathon's account! Makes my day.

Let's review:

• Saudi Arabia has allot of "build a Mosque" projects around the world. The result is always the same: More religious extremism, racism and added tension between Muslims and none-Muslim. A prime example is the beautiful islands of the Maldives where Burkas, honor killings, female genital mutilation, blatant racism and violent religious strife was virtually unknown 15 year ago, before Saudi Arabia build their cursed Mosques.
  
• Hillary Clinton has publicly estimated that Saudi Arabia spend approximately $ 100 billion on terror every year. The mosques are not included.
  
  • Right now Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are funding the war in Syria with billions of dollars, ammunition, weapons, healthcare and manpower.
    
  • Saudi Arabia was the main source of funding for the Sunni rebellion in Iraq, which has now completely destabilized Iraq.
    
    • Right now Saudi Arabia is also conducting a bloody war in Yemen against the Shia Muslims. They commit war crimes and atrocities on a daily basis.
      
    • Most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi citizens.
    
    The list is long, endless, but somehow the USA president and Congress can't even see the problem! The corporate owned mass media rarely address the problem. Saudi Arabian is allowed to import advanced weaponry for billions every year, some of it ends up in Syria, Iraq and Africa. Yet the USA has spend $ 4-6 trillions fighting the war on terror. The whole situation is an absurd and bizarre mishmash.

How many more westerners are we willing to sacrifice on the altar of tolerating violent ignorance from barbarians? Do you want to wait until THEY get nukes too?

Ask yourself, do you really believe the Muslim extremists will hold back from unleashing nuclear firepower on us? They won't, and you know it.

You must understand, it's a matter of when, not if they get their hands on such a weapon. Maybe after one or two of our cities burns you'll see reality for what it is. We are going to lose this game if we keep playing it, and we're going to lose big. As a New Yorker, I say fuck that entire region, fuck it good. Fuck it with everything.

I understand if you don't want to nuke, but at least do an extensive firebombing campaign all over Saudi Arabia, assassinate or otherwise detain every member of the Saud Royal Family. Literal heads on pikes on display for the survivors, none in the Middle East will mistake where the true power lies then.

Sometimes in war you must make hard choices. I know violence is terrible and there will be a TON of collateral damage in any bombing campaign, but folks, this barbaric madness has to stop and this is the only way it ever will. The time for tolerance and mercy is over. Now is the time for hard teaching.

We know limpdick milquetoast Obama won't do it, so maybe we should appeal directly to military top brass..

Nuke Saudi Arabia.  Just do it already, America, make an example! If these bronze age fuckswits want to abuse modern science (chemistry for bombs) to spread their hateful, ignorant, ancient superstition, we need to make an example.

Think about it, not a single Asian nation has dared to start shit with USA since we nuked Japan, have they? Those squinty-eyed fucks learned their lesson, didn't they? You don't fuck with modern western liberal democracies. In fact that shit has worked for seventy fucking years of peace! Let's teach these new barbarians the same way we taught the Japs. For religious nutters like this a nuke will seem like the power of God, they'll be forced to admit they were wrong! We can have the president air a message that says any Muslim nation that attacks a NATO country will face the same fate, including acts by citizens of your nations!

Realtalk though fuck Islam, fuck every one of its leaders, fuck every follower, fuck every Muslim woman and child. They all need to burn! Show them the power of science and burn them all! Irradiate the entire middle East, including Israel and every goddamn Holy Site from Mecca to Jerusalem so the survivors can't even make pilgrimage there for five hundred years without a hazmat suit. Then scatter every Holy Site with thousands of landmines and other horrible traps so future generations of dipshit theists can die (or at least lose a leg or two) for their cause in horrible ways without bothering us. We don't want any future generations thinking it's a good idea to get religious again.

MAKE AN EXAMPLE. NUKE SAUDI ARABIA!

This "only difference" is the difference between Heaven and Hell.

All people die. The things of this life are useless in themselves, except that one should enjoy the joy (not perverse pleasure) he can get out of them. One loses all of this at death.

The point is, how does a person make it into Heaven - eternal life in joy - rather than Hell - eternal death? The difference between Islam and Christianity is, Islam says you do it by good works, Christianity says you receive it as a gift of God through the good works that Jesus did.

Big difference there. You do it, as opposed to, Jesus did it for you.

You absolutely can't combine these two basics. They are diametrically opposed.

and that is the truth regarding the scriptures. why should we divide people by religion, we are humans . whats in the bible's old testament is copied in quran and only difference they are claiming is that jesus is a prophet and jesus never died on the cross and jesus will come back during the final judgement

I don't have nothing against the muslims, but all I know that their are little confused about many things and if they know the truth (the origin of the mankind), they will realize that they belong at christians...

Who wrote the Bible? Where Ismail is mention for the first time? Why Quran talking about something that is already mention in the Bible? Who is Mohamed?

The first and the oldest book that is ever written in this world is the Bible. The evidence of this book where founded in the area on ancient Mesopotamia. The stories in the Bible date to more then 450 millions years ago.
Ismail's father is Abraham, the same person who is mention in the Old Testament. He have a child with Sarah and he named Ismail.
In the Quran, the first book talking about the creation of the world, the same story that is mentioned in the Bible.
Mohamed was on of the prophets who is part of the Bible, but now is in the Quran.

Should I continue?

I definitely agree with this; this is hypocrisy. If they want me to allow them to say and do whatever they want in regards to their Religion then I should be able to do so as well. Just imagine the world if we didn't have people trying to push their nonsense (yes, fairy tales) on other people. Its quite hard to be an atheist in smaller places where everyone is (usually) a participant on a single religion.

Not all nazis were up to kill jews too...
I don't give a F about what Muslims do, the problem is their ideology and no matter how many peaceful are there, as long as the ideology survives it's just a matter of time until some take more seriously its instruction manual.

Well for sure, there is a group of Muslims out there who sincerely wish to ram their version of Islam into your daily life, and kill you if you object.  Meanwhile all the other types of Muslims will stay quiet or go along.

People in the west somehow became used to the statement, "Might makes right." I don't see how it can literally, necessarily be true.

Is it right for Muslim men to have such authority over their women that they can punish them in extreme ways for little or nothing?

It might be might. And Islam might suggest that it is right. But when you stand a man and a woman side by side, they are both people. As far as having the essential "I am" that makes people to be people, both are the same. Both feel pain. Both recognize ownership of property, even if that property is only their self.

"Right" would be for the man and the woman to be under the same set of laws regarding their "peopleness."

Islam makes all kinds of "might" rules and laws. But are they really right and just and fair to all people?

The women don't have the right to say anything that they want, even thought they might have the ability.

Don't get me wrong there, there's plenty of stuff from Islam I don't mind. I don't care what they believe, if they eat pork or not, if they drink or not, if they pray ass up or upside down in a pool, and so on...
My only issue with it is the violent, misogynistic, compulsory and predatory behavior coming out from their "instructions manual". And I don't apply this rule to Islam alone, any other with similar behavior I will give it the very same treatment.

Makes sense to me.  I'll still hold they have the right to say anything they want, and to hold any beliefs they wish.  But that works two ways.  It means there is also a right to draw cartoons of Mohammed, to say things against Islam, so forth and so on.

Apparently there are quite a few people with a medieval mindset who don't get it.  But they don't want to stay in the countries that are total shitholes because most of the other people there believe similar stuff and it retards all progress.

Well duh....

That's the main issue here.

That's quite a healthy and rare stance. It does influence the lives of billions of people. I don't mind religions at all unless certain people try forcing their beliefs on me.

As an atheist too I couldn't care less of what books wrote by people who think Earth is flat say, but I acknowledge their influence in some nowadays human behavior.

I agree and disagree both in part.

Radical Islam has it's roots in writings such as those of Sayyad Qutb, who write his own commentaries and booklets on "interpreting the Quran and Hadith."  Viewed through a filter such as that of Qutb, the primary documents become advocacy of pure evil. 

My statement above is likely one that both Westerners and followers of Islam could agree on...

But you describe, essentially "tribal behavior."

I was just being honest as to what I "hate."  Not even saying that my attitude is "right," by the way. 

We don't have any disagreement as to facts.  At least a dozen times I have heard Muslims argue that "Islam is perfect," but "men, practicing Muslims, were imperfect."  Other times they have argued that "Islamic Terrorists" were neither Islamic nor Muslim.  These seem to be straightforward logical fallacies and cases of such as psychological denial. 

As an atheist it means zero to me to attempt to prove something by quoting chapter and verse of an old book.  I am persuadable by logic, and by facts.  Kind of boring, actually, lol...

Quran preaches for Muslims to do violence. Look back in this post for the info. Or look here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10381547.

What you have just said is, we don't need the Quran. Get rid of it and follow the Hadiths. And if you don't like the Hadiths that are in operation now, change them, right? Make some new ones. Twist Islam all around to make it better than ever, right?

You are an extreme element with weird thoughts.