Topic: Why do you believe God exists? (Read 7969 times)

Hmm, so according to him, I am making an honest mistake. LOL.

Except, I know that Christianity cannot be possibly true.

Pregnant women are not virgins.  Nobody can come back from the dead.  And countless stories in the Bible that are just too stupid even for the children's fairy tales.  Talking snakes, global flood, followed up by the ground zero incest party, living in the whale stomach, etc. etc.  Not to mention slavery, killing, and more killing.  6 days creation, 6000-year-old, flat Earth, nonsense upon nonsense.

BTW, whom did Cain marry?  Never mind, there no point of discussing Christianity or any other religion.

If you want to shoot the breeze about how the life started on Earth, how the universe is so complex, what will happen in the end, what is Black Energy or Black Matter, I am all ears.  But discussing religion loses its luster.

It was fun to make jokes about you guys, but I have to be honest with you.  It is not fair to you guys to make fun of you. 
You guys need medical help, I truly believe so.  I feel sorry for you so I will stop making my usual jabs at religious nonsense that is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

LOL.  The same can be said about "The Truth of no God".

Looks like a lot of hand waving, nothing tangible.

Like I said before, we differ in a way we perceive the reality around us.

I am looking at what it is.

You are looking at what it could be.

Well, that is true.  I cannot prove that Zeus does exist nor that he does not exist.  However, there are probabilities, and those are not in favor of Zeus or any other Gods, including your personal, pet God.

As for assuming that God does exist and looking at the world, of course, you can delude yourself into believing that God created snowflakes, bees, and all the complexity we see in nature.  Just like notbatman is convinced that Earth is flat because he looks out of his window and sees a flat horizon, he steps outside his parents' house, and he sees flat horizon all around 360 deg.  He deluded himself that the Earth is flat.  The Bible confirms that.  What other proof does he need?  He is deluded, any rational observer will come to the same conclusion.

That is why it is important to validate what your senses are telling you.  The scientific method is the best objective tool we have to discover the true nature of our universe.  Other than that, it is a guessing game.  He said, she said.

From where I am standing, I don't see any fundamental difference in your reasoning and notbatman's.  You both are mistaken.

If you care about the truth, you follow the scientific method.  You seek validation through observation and objective measurements.
If you don't care if what you believe is true, then it does not matter.

In the end, it is all about an emotional need that you have to believe in something greater no matter the evidence or lack thereof.  Another reason could be that you (and people like you) are afraid of death and think that somehow (with some supernatural help) you will live in the afterlife somewhere in deep space (or wherever your imagination takes you).

I am not afraid of death, and I am in full control of my life.  My mistakes are mine and mine only.  So are my successes.
Not your God's, Zeus's, Allah's, Devil's, or any other fictional or non-fictional characters.

PS. God cannot be even considered as a subject of scientific studies, so this idea of God should not even cross your mind.  There is nothing to consider.  You cannot build a hypothesis, never mind prove it.

PPS.  What is frustrating to see people like you come and proclaim that there is God somewhere.  You cannot describe him, you have no proof, but you claim that your version (Judeo-Christian) God exists. Where is your Nobel prize?

Where the FUCK did you get this from?  I cannot believe what I am reading.

People don't believe in your God (or ANY OTHER GODS) because there is not a shred of evidence of your God's existence.

You not only make shit up in your own delusion, but you don't even understand why others see you as delusional and don't believe what you believe.

In the end, there will always be intellectually strong people and an intellectually weak who will need this extra supernatural help to get them through their day.

It actually has nothing to do with evidence, science, logic or any of that sort.  It is a psychological defect that leads people into this delusion.

Some are affected more, some are affected less.  That is why we see such a spectrum of various religions, denominations, and interpretations of the scriptures.  It is a disease of the mind.

Religion is a virus that spreads from grandparents to parents to children.  

Ps. You like Hasidic Jews, maybe you should join them? Ask your wife if she would join. LOL  Watch this on Netflix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPn5oQNutI

PPS. You can end this right now, ask your God to post here or on youtube. Let's go!

I am not going to even ask how did you determine that.  Too tired to deconstruct your delusion in full glory.

Are you sure Zeus is not worthy?  I have a book that says otherwise.

Now you know how I feel about YOUR God.  The same way you feel about Zeus.

1. Again, why don't you worship Zeus?

2. Saudi Arabia is a very good example of what the Judeo-Christian state would look like.  Have you seen what Hasidic Jewish communities look like?

3. Just because your carefully constructed delusion provides you with some psychological comfort, it does not mean it is the right thing to do.  Illicit drugs or alcohol have the same effect yet we warn people not to use them as they are addictive and cause long-term harm, just like your delusion,  BTW.

So what you are saying is human beings need Bronze Age God-given moral rules to have a 'properly' functioning society. 
Anything else will fail in your personal assessment?

Would this work with any God, or only with your God?

So I am guessing Saudi Arabia picked the wrong God, even though it is Judeo-Christian God 2.0.  How about Osiris, Zeus, Ra?  Would they work?

You are full of it and you don't even know it.

Why are you rejecting all these other Gods?  Why?

Provide proof that these other Gods are false Gods, and you'll have a proof why your God is a false God.

As always, you leave me speechless. 

The education system has failed you.

I am an engineer, I would never design nature the way it is.  No engineer would.

Nature is more like a wild, self-evolving energy monster, that eats everything in its path, releasing matter and energy that forms other monsters. There is absolutely no design in it. Energy conversion, that is about it.

There is an appearance of design to an untrained eye because one looks through a very small time window without understanding what came before and why.  Thanks to Biology we have a pretty good handle on how life evolved over time.

We are on an energy yo-yo cycle that started with the Big Bang and will most likely end with the Big Crunch, and the cycle will repeat itself with a different set of physical constants.  The process will repeat itself until a new, stable universe will be formed with physical constants suitable to sustain observers.

Nature is cruel, unforgiving, but pretty cool in its own way.

There are a lot of unknowns in nature.  Science uncovers and solves them one by one.

So don't jump to the "magician did it" answer when you don't know what the unknown is, never mind how it came about.

And for fuck's sake stop the "Judeo-Christain ideology is the answer to everything" BS.  If we stuck following it, we would still be hungry and wet in some caves, wiping our asses with leaves, waiting for the Sun to come up.

Religion does not solve anything, it just takes away your money and your time.  It makes you emotionally dependent on it and blinds you so that you cannot see the world the way it really is.

I was born into a Catholic family.  That was not my choice.  I did not choose God to later reject him.

I ignored stories about God the same way other kids ignored stories about Santa Claus.  

Then my critical thinking skills did the rest when I turned about 12.  I started asking questions for which I got a wholesome beating from a holy nun.  Nasty, old, big nosed bitch she was.  It became a routine, I asked a question, class laughed, I got a beating, back to drawing Jesus feeding the hungry and raising some schmucks from dead.

I rejected God the same you reject Santa Claus.  The same reason:  fictional character.

BTW, why did you reject Santa Claus?  Please do tell.  

Dictatorial regimes don't follow moral codes.  Are you new here on Earth?  Your Bible did not save Christians or Jews who were killed in Auschwitz, nor it prevented Christians from killing other Christians or Jews.

Are you sure you thought your examples through?

I am all for progress, for what is best for all people and society as a whole.  That includes gays, lesbians, women, unlike your Bronze Age God.

You think the Bible will save you from a dictatorship?  You are confusing your delusional religious beliefs with political systems.

You can have a secular, democratic system with check and balances to prevent the sort of brutal regimes you are thinking about.

Trust me, you don't want to go down the route of a moral system driving a political system based on a Bronze Age scripture. 
You'll be killing gays and adulterers sooner rather than later.

Judeo-Christian ideology is no different than other inhumane ideologies.  Nazism and Communism included.
Any political system lead by people who believe in supernatural magic is a recipe for disaster.  Delusional people should not be near the nuclear codes.

I did not reject God.  There is nothing to reject.  Why can't you get this through your head is beyond me?

You really don't know me.  Who says I dismiss the results of quantum mechanics?

You are full of yourself, IMHO.

You jump to whatever supernatural conclusions you need to validate your delusion.


You are a good person if you follow the moral code that your society accepts.  

You don't need a Bronze Age boogeyman.

You should work on your epistemology.  Being popular does not make it true.

You have no tools to discover what is true or false. You are like a blind and deaf newborn.  That is your problem.

Unfortunately for you, you don't even know why you are deluded.

You should use objective observations to make your reality, not some philosophical ramblings.

As for materialism, you have heard of E=mc2, haven't you?  So stop clinging to your 19th-century definition of materialism. The rest of the world moved on, it is time you do that as well.

The difference between you and I is the way we view reality.

To me, the reality is based on objective observations confirmed by carbon and silicon-based observers.  In my world, fictional characters do not exist or exhibit any influence or power.  The unknown remains unknown and is not part of my reality.  I don't lose sleep over the unknowns.

In your world, the reality consists of what is observable and the unknown which you make it known and part of your physical reality.  In your world, fictional characters are alive and well, the supermen exhibit their might, influence every action and thought you make.  Pregnant virgins remain virgins, the dead can become alive again, winged horses exist and can fly to space, and people are alive after they die.    In your world there are no unknowns, everything has an answer, the whole world is coherent and understood by you.

Your worldview is the basis for your delusion.  You need this delusion to function in this world as it provides a psychological comfort for you.  You cannot bare an idea that something is not known and you invent answers to feed your insecurities.

You call me a materialist, I would say I am an objective observationalist.  

As for humans being bad, well, most of us are.  We use our moral standard established by the societies we live in.  Good people innately know the moral rules and help establish the rules for the rest of their societies to follow.  Some of us are born without that moral compass and need guidance from our society or community.  Some of us break those rules anyway and become outlaws. Adopting rules established for the Bronze Age societies is as bad as having no moral rules.  The leaders who wrote those moral rules would not last a day in our society.  They would be arrested and thrown in jail for life.

Our morals evolve over time, what was considered moral few centuries ago is not moral any more.

The difference is in freeing you from having to think of God as an anthropomorphic entity, while acknowledging that an individual's brain is not the highest order of intelligence, but more likely a small part of universal awareness. Then the "self" part of "self-awareness" becomes moot.

Thank you for the tip!

first week this should be practiced to create a cocoon, believers call it "the sacred place", after you will begin to experience bliss, not to move the bed and a chair, otherwise you'll have to create a new cocoon for another week. Well and negative emotions can not be allowed on the place of the cocoon, they destroy the cocoon. Imagine how you filled with happiness on the inhale and on the exhale direct it to create a cocoon

It is hard (and boring) to focus on breathe in and breathe out

But it must be mastered for peace and happiness

Yes, our mind and body are made of chemicals so we do not actually need to abuse any external substance to achieve happiness.

The body is naturally full of all kinds of chemicals that would be considered drugs if taken out of the body. Don't look without for drugs. Look within.