Topic: Why do you believe God exists? - page 6. (Read 7963 times)

True, but sometimes you need to ban ideologies (communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, religion) that cause multi-generational societal harm.

Slavery is a bad idea.  So is the Bible.

It does not matter how many times you raped, if you only raped once, you are a rapist.

^^^ The interesting thing about this is, the only reason why religious and science knowledge is as widespread as it is, is from the printing press. If we never had the printing press, the Bible would still be the great book of authority. It simply wouldn't have spread as far as it has by now. Remember, we have found 25,000 ancient copies or parts of copies of the handwritten New Testament from the early A.D. times. No other book is even close. Is it Aristotle writings that are around 900? Plato only has 4 or 5 early copies.

Here is an interesting thought. Why would God allow the printing press to come into existence to spread the Bible around the world? After all, the Bible is by far the most spread-around-the-world book even today. Here might be the reason, Matthew 24:22:
In other words, God let the printing press come into being so that the Bible would be spread faster. This is bringing the Bible to every corner of the world. We are nearing the completion of one of the last signs that shows that the end is near, that Jesus will return. Matthew 24:14:
If we had no printing press, it would have taken so long for the Bible to be spread around the world, that people would finally fail in faith altogether. God shortened the time by letting the printing press be developed. Soon the whole world will have had the opportunity to find faith in God through the Bible. Then the end will come, Jesus will return. Could be any day, now. But will probably be withing the next 150 years for sure.

Why are to misdirecting the conversation?  Who said anything about materialism?  I said objective facts.  It is not my problem that our reality is material.

The issue was religion and its interference with the progressive thought, its coercive powers etc.

Under the religious rule, we would not be able to have this conversation as I (and you depending on which religious rule we are talking about) would be hanged in the city square.

Be careful what you wish for.  Get off your Judeo-Christian horse.  It is no different than a Muslim buraq.

Artificial intelligence is different than a virtual world on your computer. A character in a videogame will never become aware of anything, ever.

Enter: Artificial Intelligence

Something without consciousness cannot become aware of us.

Seeing how easy it has been for us to create virtual worlds, give the characters in these worlds jobs and tasks... what happens when those characters become aware of us, without the need for us to program it in there? We're creating more and more virtual simulations for entertainment and work, while physical things become more electronic based. All of our entertainment has been made to not be able to held in our hands. My music used to be tapes, then CD's, now I just own the device that plays the virtual music i buy online. Comic books have become full length movies and making 1 billion dollars each time a new one comes out. Panini is making virtual football cards that are selling for ridiculous amounts online. Reminds me of a mix between Inception and Truman Show. Different levels of simulations created by the one before it.

Seeing how easy it has been for us to create virtual worlds, give the characters in these worlds jobs and tasks... what happens when those characters become aware of us, without the need for us to program it in there? We're creating more and more virtual simulations for entertainment and work, while physical things become more electronic based. All of our entertainment has been made to not be able to held in our hands. My music used to be tapes, then CD's, now I just own the device that plays the virtual music i buy online. Comic books have become full length movies and making 1 billion dollars each time a new one comes out. Panini is making virtual football cards that are selling for ridiculous amounts online. Reminds me of a mix between Inception and Truman Show. Different levels of simulations created by the one before it.

Actually the only truth you know is materialism. The objective facts are in dispute.

Materialists such as yourself are often herded into a form of rationalized self-annihilation that is deeply deeply tied to the corruption of modernity BADecker highlighted in his most recent post.

Here is an article that discusses this downward spiral. The portion on willful self-annihilation is particularly relevant.

Old Left-New Left... Modernity-Postmodernity - surface changes masking a constant deep motivation against God
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/12/old-left-new-left-modernity.html?m=1

What is the 'truth' I am talking about?

For the purposes of this immediate and specific conversation it is the following.

Materialism is false.

BTW, what 'truth' are you talking about?  The only truth I know is based on objective facts.

Why should anyone care what the Bible says?  You do know that there are other more relevant books on morality, don't you?

BTW, what 'truth' are you talking about?  The only truth I know is based on objective facts.

Bible is an example of Bronze Age literary work.  Why should I even open this book?  It is filled with vile, immoral passages that anyone with an ounce of moral integrity should burn it at once.

This book is irrelevant in the 21st century.  If you are a history buff you can intellectually masturbate to it, but it is not my cup of tea.

PS. Just imagine what would happen to the Muslims or gays if hardcore evangelists, or the Westboro Baptist types would run the country.  Human rights would go out of the window in the name of Jesus, LOL.

I hope you are not suggesting we follow the Judo-Christian tradition.  You know the one that keeps women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen or the one that kills gays or atheists in the city squares.

I thought the religious regimes were/are the most tyrannical.  Maybe you got this backward.

Secularism is what brought women's rights, gay rights, equality of races and genders etc.  Which thought is more flexible, religious or secular?

Which system is more coercive?  Secular or religious one?  Think about it before you post again.

Hint: Secular does not necessarily mean communist, socialist or some other dictatorial system. 

I thought the religious regimes were/are the most tyrannical.  Maybe you got this backward.

Secularism is what brought women's rights, gay rights, equality of races and genders etc.  Which thought is more flexible, religious or secular?

Which system is more coercive?  Secular or religious one?  Think about it before you post again.

Hint: Secular does not necessarily mean communist, socialist or some other dictatorial system.  

In the future, religious beliefs will be classified as mental delusions.  It is a matter of time.  Science will march forward

There been an increase in temperature over recent decades that is established scientific fact. The global measured increase is just under 1 degree centigrade over the last 100 years or so.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page2.php

The idea that the warming is caused by human activity, however, is unproven theory.

We know from the historical record that there have been large swings in temperature in the distant past long before mankind could have had any appreciable impact on the climate.

The default hypothesis should thus be that observed temperature variations are not caused by humans until we have ruled out external factors like cyclical variations solar output or orbital mechanics as a primary cause.

Did you know that Mars is currently undergoing global warming too?
https://m.washingtontimes.com

Man made global warming is a theory one that is widely accepted by climate scientists. It's also probably false.

If you want to understand what is actually going to happen with climate in the next few decades I really do recommend watching Professor Zharkova video above her research and reproducible model is in my opinion a genuine scientific breakthrough.

You can already see the signs of retreat. The global warming salesman know they will soon be exposed as charlatans. That is why global warming has morphed into "Climate Change". I will laugh if it goes full on Orwellian and we start hearing about how man made CO2 is causing global cooling.

Scientific theories are only the best explanation for something if they are arrived at from a genuine objective search for truth rather then an attempted to secure funding or drive an agenda. Even then they only represent the most plausible answer based on our current information. Other possibilities exists and it is always a mistake to confuse theory with fact.

God is an a priori Truth. If you take the time to learn epistemology you will learn that all knowledge including scientific knowledge has a priori at its foundation.

It is no coincidence that the corruption of modern science is occurring simultaneously with the rise of atheism among scientists.