Topic: Why do you believe God exists? - page 7. (Read 7963 times)

There been an increase in temperature over recent decades that is established scientific fact. The global measured increase is just under 1 degree centigrade over the last 100 years or so.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page2.php

The idea that the warming is caused by human activity, however, is unproven theory.

We know from the historical record that there have been large swings in temperature in the distant past long before mankind could have had any appreciable impact on the climate.

The default hypothesis should thus be that observed temperature variations are not caused by humans until we have ruled out external factors like cyclical variations solar output or orbital mechanics as a primary cause.

Did you know that Mars is currently undergoing global warming too?
https://m.washingtontimes.com

Man made global warming is a theory one that is widely accepted by climate scientists. It's also probably false.

If you want to understand what is actually going to happen with climate in the next few decades I really do recommend watching Professor Zharkova video above her research and reproducible model is in my opinion a genuine scientific breakthrough.

You can already see the signs of retreat. The global warming salesman know they will soon be exposed as charlatans. That is why global warming has morphed into "Climate Change". I will laugh if it goes full on Orwellian and we start hearing about how man made CO2 is causing global cooling.

Scientific theories are only the best explanation for something if they are arrived at from a genuine objective search for truth rather then an attempted to secure funding or drive an agenda. Even then they only represent the most plausible answer based on our current information. Other possibilities exists and it is always a mistake to confuse theory with fact.

God is an a priori Truth. If you take the time to learn epistemology you will learn that all knowledge including scientific knowledge has a priori at its foundation.

It is no coincidence that the corruption of modern science is occurring simultaneously with the rise of atheism among scientists.

If they are, the world is full of geniuses. Why? The Bible is the most-published, most-distributed book of all time. And the world is full of religions, including aspects of science.

Is it possible that these guys are geniuses? 

These guys are not mentally ill though, they are practitioners of major religious institutions, they are church leaders and pastors etc. We are forcing God into a box by saying that God must do this or do that in order for us to believe.

I like how you always talk out of your ass, placebo effect does not cure cancer, ever or any other deadly disease and there is no evidence of it.

Whatever you want to call it, it is not the way to the truth, clearly. I mean how many people claim they have seen ghosts? Aliens? Demons, etc etc. They all believe their experiences are real, all religious people believe they saw their god and yet not all gods can exist at the same time so we at least know some of them have to be wrong. What's the way to determine the truth, then? No way, personal experiences are useless.

Yes, but they believe their experiences were real, they don't need us to believe them. They know what they saw, we don't know what they saw. We don't believe them, we call them "delusional"

Quite the opposite. Placebo effect acts in both directions... to heal and to make ill. You've heard of people who died after the doctor told them they only had a couple months to live. Did they die because of faith in what the doctor said?

The basic idea of placebo effect has to do with what you believe. You believe this way or that, and you prove it by what you do. It is happening all around us in politics and all of everyday life. People do what they do because they believe that way.

Placebo effect is simply bodily regulation through belief. Often people don't know that they are using placebo effect. Double blind medical studies prove this out.

Trying to force yourself into a position of believing yourself cured doesn't work very often. Why not? Because the thing you accidentally focus on is the thing that you are trying to push out of your mind. You focus on it because you are trying to force it out. But by focusing on it, you are really keeping it in mind.

We don't know enough about the psyche to easily fathom its inner workings. Placebo effect cures some cancer. Placebo effect out-performs medicine. We might be finding out that placebo-effect/faith is the only medicine, and that Big Pharma medicine only acts like placebo effect in the central systems of the body.

Since the question about placebo effect exist, we are really only guessing that medicine does anything at all.

Incidentally, you fail to answer me realistically, because you know that I am right, and you can't force yourself into believing the garbage you say. You are using a form of placebo effect, and you are using it against yourself.

No. Placebo effect exists, that's true, however you will not be ''cured'' by placebo effect alone. No one has been ever ''cured'' from cancer due to placebo. It's true that when it comes to pain relief treatments, the placebo effect can play a big role and a lot of people can feel better even though they are getting worse. This is because the placebo effect is a psychological effect not physiological. The brain is the responsible of pain and other symptoms, pain is literally a fabrication of your brain and the placebo effect can stop it, however that's where it ends, it does not heal you from deadly diseases.

When you get right into the reason why some medicine seems to heal people, you have the same thing. Here's what happens.

We get some medical testing that shows biochemically in the lab that a particular medicine works. Then in live testing, some people seem to be healed by the medicine in question. Some are not. The thing we don't understand enough, is the working of the psyche, to be able to say for a fact that it was the medicine that healed them.

Well, if it wasn't the medicine, then what was it? Maybe 90% of the healings are placebo effect... faith (even in animals). Maybe, when it comes right down to it, close to 100% are placebo-like effect.

Maybe being healed by medicine has to do with the treated person subconsciously recognizing, through his nervous system, that there is some biochemical activity going on from the medicine. And then he heals himself by what he feels through his nervous system. The medicine action doesn't really have anything to do with the actual healing in a biochemical way.

Some studies suggest that placebo effect heals in as many as 30+% or the cases. We simply don't know enough about the psyche of people in general to know if it is more or not. And the medical doesn't want to do these kinds of studies in a big way. Do enough of them to make it look like we are studying placebo effect. But don't do enough to take business away from Big Pharma.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

Scientific theories are the best explanation for a specific thing though. Also global warming is not a scientific theory. The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

These folks need some real knowledge, well done.

What do you want to tell here. Everyone is a believer. 

Atheists believe in monkeyman science which is BTW not testable nor even repeatable and is unprovable.

Got some stardust?



DYOR! Scientism is just modern repackage of mystic occult practices.



 

I was a believer until somewhere like 16, i was questioning the hypocrisy of my beliefs. I didn't immediately change my views because i could not see what else there was and i was afraid. So first i changed my views to buddhism, to shamanism and was grasping all the other views as well as long they were somehow keeping some sort of human centric angle to the universe.

Why i was a believer? I was raised to it. Just plain and simple. I could not grasp that everything that has been tought to me by my loving mom could be such a nonsense.

All you have to do is read through the topic, Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 However, this topic is not for believing that God exists. It is for showing the proof that God exists, so that you KNOW that God exists.

When a person doesn't understand the proof, he might believe (or not) depending on the way the discussion goes. When a person understands the proof, he stops being a believer that God exists, because he KNOWS that God exists.

Then why does the Bible - and many other religious books - say that faith is required for salvation? What does a person have to have faith in to be saved?

Faith is in the things that God SAYS and PROMISES. Faith is NOT faith in the fact that God exists. God's existence in known. The thing that is not known is if He is telling the truth about Himself and salvation. We have faith that He IS truthful.

Believe what God says. You already know that He exists.

Not sure the Pope is the best source to be citing for moral clarity. He is not widly regarding outside of Catholic circles and even withing Catholicism his standing is rapidly diminishing for various reasons.

Pope Francis’ approval rating plummets among Catholics
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-approval-rating-plummets-among-american-catholics-in-response


michaelkelly8798 raises a fair point about scientific theories. Many people grab onto whatever scientific theory is currently in vogue and proclaim it as absolute truth. Often this is a way for the slower minded to avoid thinking about a topic. They just want to be told the answer. People who just want to be told the answer often get upset and angry when an answer they have already accepted is questioned.

Uncorrupted science is a search for truth. Plausible ideas and concepts that are not incompatible with current observations are scientific theories. Proven reproducible facts are scientific laws. Theories are often wrong no matter how many scientists ascribe to them. The trashcan of history is full of discarded theories that were once widely embraced by scientists.

The best modern example I can think of is the current scare mongering over man made global warming. The media, the majority of climate scientists, and indeed even the Pope are on record proclaiming that we are cooking the planet and to question this narrative is to be anti-science and worthy of public shamming.

The reality however is that there are very compelling reasons to doubt this uniform presentation of doom. It just takes a genuine scientist and a superior idea to do so.
 
Professor Valentina Zharkova is a tenured professor Mathematician and Astrophysicist. Her model of solar cycles is entirely reproducible, and accurately accounts for prior global temperature variations with a greater then 90% accuracy. It also almost entirely repudiates the current global warming narrative so it is ignored.

Professor Valentina Zharkova: The Solar Magnet Field and the Terrestrial Climate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY&feature=youtu.be

How many people will take the 90 minutes to watch Professor Zharkova's presentation?  Very few most will prefer to just be told the answer by the media the Pope or whoever else is whispering in their ear.

Truth is like that. Often hidden away in the background present but not demanding or forceful. It patiently waits for people to get tired of their current falsehood and approach it when they are ready.

Yes man, I could see he is just another fanatic, no reasoning from his side.

Is this your proof? I will break down each of your subtheories with real science:

Anatomy: There are families of species, which doesn't mean one evolved from the other they simply have similar features. It just proves a common designer. Comodo dragon didn’t evolve from the lizard just because the look similar, they are just from the same family.

DNA: Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes; Apes and monkeys have 24 pairs this must mean we come from the monkey, but wait tobacco also has 24 pairs we might have come from tobacco as well. Chicken and dogs both have 78 chromosomes who evolved from who? They’re very similar. Amebas have 50 chromosomes if we came from ameba how come they have more chromosomes than us.

Fossils: You don't need a creationist telling debating fossils don't prove evolution cause you can find scientists that support evolution stating fossils don’t prove it. (Yo u tube .c om/watch?v=X28MZbQGjZk (see by yourself, you won’t have issues finding other videos XD))

Direct observation: All you can see is MICRO evolution (which exists), macroevolution hasn't been observed. (That's why is just a theory)

Now let's compare your whole evolutive theory with a real LAW, let's review basic biology, according to the LAW OF BIOGENESIS: it refers to the production of life from already-living matter or organisms. Living organisms CAN'T be produced from non-living matter. You can look for a guy named Louis Pasteur (if you remember him from your school years) and the meat experiment reproduced over and over by other scientists.  Biogenesis is routinely observed at all levels of life. When a bacteria divides, a plant produces seeds, or a mammal gives birth and so on. Now repeat again how bacteria originated from an explosion of different gases.

Don't quote the pope man, he is as ignorant as you are, he doesn't represent the God of Israel because he is speaking against Him and against the way the Bible describes God made the world, whoever says God is a liar doesn’t represent God.