Topic: Why do you believe God exists? - page 5. (Read 7902 times)

That still doesn't mean anything lmao. That's not a way to discover what's real and what's not. Just because the harry potter book was sold more than ''insert other book'' doesn't mean harry potter is real.

The fact that people read and distribute books isn't the important part. The important part is twofold:
1. The rate;
2. The results with people.

God is expanding the bible at a fabulous rate beyond the natural rate. People are helping with this expansion by being touched by god to be part of it.

Science books in the dust.

Empirical results from quantum mechanics are objective observations. The fact that you choose to dismiss the logical implications of the those observations highlights your bias.


Thanks for the armchair psychoanalysis. I functioned very well as a atheist in society for decades most of my adult life in fact. I abandoned that position once it became apparent that it was logically untenable.


Ahh and who gets to decide who the innately good people are?

Who gets to decide who to sent to those re-education camps you want and what books need burning. You because of your innate goodness?

You should work on your epistemology.  Being popular does not make it true.

You have no tools to discover what is true or false. You are like a blind and deaf newborn.  That is your problem.

Unfortunately for you, you don't even know why you are deluded.

This is an amazing experience! Wananavu99, thank you for sharing

Actually, the Bible is the most printed, sold, and distributed book out there. Why have you moved on, away from the truth?

You should use objective observations to make your reality, not some philosophical ramblings.

As for materialism, you have heard of E=mc2, haven't you?  So stop clinging to your 19th-century definition of materialism. The rest of the world moved on, it is time you do that as well.

Put simply it gives life purpose. Without purpose there is no punishment for immoral action and no reward for moral action.

The difference between you and I is the way we view reality.

To me, the reality is based on objective observations confirmed by carbon and silicon-based observers.  In my world, fictional characters do not exist or exhibit any influence or power.  The unknown remains unknown and is not part of my reality.  I don't lose sleep over the unknowns.

In your world, the reality consists of what is observable and the unknown which you make it known and part of your physical reality.  In your world, fictional characters are alive and well, the supermen exhibit their might, influence every action and thought you make.  Pregnant virgins remain virgins, the dead can become alive again, winged horses exist and can fly to space, and people are alive after they die.    In your world there are no unknowns, everything has an answer, the whole world is coherent and understood by you.

Your worldview is the basis for your delusion.  You need this delusion to function in this world as it provides a psychological comfort for you.  You cannot bare an idea that something is not known and you invent answers to feed your insecurities.

You call me a materialist, I would say I am an objective observationalist.  

As for humans being bad, well, most of us are.  We use our moral standard established by the societies we live in.  Good people innately know the moral rules and help establish the rules for the rest of their societies to follow.  Some of us are born without that moral compass and need guidance from our society or community.  Some of us break those rules anyway and become outlaws. Adopting rules established for the Bronze Age societies is as bad as having no moral rules.  The leaders who wrote those moral rules would not last a day in our society.  They would be arrested and thrown in jail for life.

Our morals evolve over time, what was considered moral few centuries ago is not moral any more.

The falseness of materialism is not just a philosophical argument it is the most logical interpretation of multiple and repeated scientific experiments.

Modern science provides powerful evidence against the materialist worldview. This summary of recent scientific studies highlights this and is worth watching if you were not aware of this.

Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

Materialist cling to false notions of an independent physical reality. They do this because once you realizes that materialism is false a theistic view of world logically follows.

I never used to believe there was a God, during my second year of pre-med I got to a very low point in my life where I was drinking so much, had so many relationships that didn't last a couple of days, I was so depressed and ending it sounded like the only logical thing to do.  Yet, in this the most dire moment of my life my whole body started to feel enveloped by unfathomable love, unadulterated love beyond anything I can explain.  I was wrapped up in it and I had an otter body experience where I heard a voice tell me that I'm loved more than anything in the world.  God knows all, even down to the tiniest particle and all is God.  I felt no judgement or condemnation for my actions, this feeling covered or enveloped me till I was so happy that I couldn't speak and tears ran down my eyes.  Next thing I knew the sun started to rise and it was morning.  That day I went home and sank to my knees praying for help.  The next several months wasn't easy, but I cleaned up, took a year off school and just wanted to help people.  I cannot explain what happened to me, it was surreal, I was beyond words.  I was an Atheist and now I'm a believer, not of any religious thought or doctrine but of Love.  I learned that God is love and that's it. 

I am simply highlighting your self-imposed miosis. You base your determination of objective facts on your materialism yet refuse to consider challenges to that materialist foundation.

Your concerns about religious tyranny in a theocratic state are of course valid. Humans corrupt every institution we partake in and vesting ultimate state power in any centralized church run by man can lead to no outcome other then eventual corruption of said church and tyranny. The founders of the US understood this well which is why they both guaranteed religious freedom and prohibited an official state religion in the first amendment of the constitution.


You appear to have bought into the progressive delusion that humans are basically good and if we all just embrace our inner humanity we can all sing songs together in harmony.

The reality is that humans are not inherently good. We are innately infused with great evil. That ultimately is part of the message of the Old Testament you so misunderstand. It tells us that all humans even the best of us are inherently flawed and capable of great evil. It also lays out a framework via which said evils can be mitigated and perhaps someday rectified.

You are already on record as in favor of forcibly removing children from the homes of religious parents and placing them in re-education camps. Now you want book burnings too? You will make a good foot soldier when the next tyranny rises its head.


You sound like one of the scientists who loudly proclaimed space was full of Luminiferous Aether or the confident proponent of Phrenology standing tall with his tape measure.

The reality is that your firm foundation of facts are not nearly as certain as you proclaim.

1. Earth is not flat.

The entire universe including the Earth might be flat.
Study reveals substantial evidence of holographic universe
https://m.phys.org/news/2017-01-reveals-substantial-evidence-holographic-universe.html

2. Earth is billions of years old.

Time itself may be an illusion and the age of the earth depends on your frame of reference.
TIME is an ILLUSION
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZQxMowBsw

3. Nobody created the universe or life on Earth.

This is your religion and your conclusion has not been proven by science nor does it have anything to do with science.

If there was no Bible, you would not have to explain it and defend it.

BTW, shouldn't that be your God's job?  You know, to set up a website so that we can view his up-to-date instructions in modern languages.

Sounds like someone in the Heavens' marketing department is sleeping behind the wheel. LOL.

Or more likely explanation is that the Bronze Age schmucks described their ignorant life and some other schmucks in the 21st century read too much into it ROFL.

It also says god ordered people to kill other people because they were doing things on the sabbath, why are you attempting to ignore this?

That's why the Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill." The word "kill" really means "murder" in modern English. "Kill" is from the old English. So, why are you attempting to act so ignorantly?

Someone that is dead cannot have a better life, badecker, study some biology. People murdered definitely did not have an easier life, they had an easier death in any case.

Actually, they wouldn't. Why? Because the O.T. teaching made life easier on them.

''You talk so silly. The general structure of the O.T. was for the best benefit of the people of that day'' Tell that to the slaves and people murdered for picking up sticks on the sabbath lol. I'm sure they would disagree with you.

You almost sound like you haven't heard about what American soldiers do around the world all the time. Or about all the court cases that promote all kinds of things. Or about all the laws in the States; like the ones in all the States that talk about marrying age for boys and girls: https://family.findlaw.com/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html. And this stuff is going on today, in the USA. Not way back whenever, when the circumstances and customs of society were way different.

You talk so silly. The general structure of the O.T. was for the best benefit of the people of that day. But they show what is best at the same time. You simply take it all out of context so that you don't have to understand.

You can't receive the best benefit when you leave God out of the equation, or out of your life.

I agree, most Christians are sensible people, and they read the bible, so the bible is not corrupting them.