The world could not just happen by chance. A supreme being must have necessitated the existence of the universe and that supreme being can be nothing but God
"nothing but God"?
Describe God for me.
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"nothing but God"?
Describe God for me.
The world could not just happen by chance. A supreme being must have necessitated the existence of the universe and that supreme being can be nothing but God
Do I though? I'm a realist, individualist. I accept what it's ''true'' You yourself said, we can't check everything all the time. I don't have the time to check how my Computer works, mouse, phone, etc etc. You have to trust other people, that's how it works. I chose to trust science and scientists because they have proven time and time again that science works. Religion on the other hand hasn't. At least not for me, prayer didn't work for me, most of the times, I would say 99%+. God didn't help me when I needed it the most and I have no reason to trust a book that simply hasn't shown it works like science.
But you don't really know that prayer didn't work for you. Whatever it was that you were asking for in your prayer, what you really wanted was some form of success one way or another. God might have seen that the literal thing you were asking for was bad for you. So the thing that you received might have been good, even though it was not the literal thing you asked for. The overall success that you wanted, you received.
If your prayer was just a test to see if God was there, He isn't going to play that game on your terms. At least not all the time. So, you received the answer to you prayer of temptation where you were trying to tempt God. After all, you know that God exists, simply by looking at nature.
I asked for my grandfather to live, he died, painfully, he was also a very deep believer. Prayer didn't work, it doesn't work, it's easy to prove. I don't think people praying to save small innocent children is tempting God.
Do I though? I'm a realist, individualist. I accept what it's ''true'' You yourself said, we can't check everything all the time. I don't have the time to check how my Computer works, mouse, phone, etc etc. You have to trust other people, that's how it works. I chose to trust science and scientists because they have proven time and time again that science works. Religion on the other hand hasn't. At least not for me, prayer didn't work for me, most of the times, I would say 99%+. God didn't help me when I needed it the most and I have no reason to trust a book that simply hasn't shown it works like science.
But you don't really know that prayer didn't work for you. Whatever it was that you were asking for in your prayer, what you really wanted was some form of success one way or another. God might have seen that the literal thing you were asking for was bad for you. So the thing that you received might have been good, even though it was not the literal thing you asked for. The overall success that you wanted, you received.
If your prayer was just a test to see if God was there, He isn't going to play that game on your terms. At least not all the time. So, you received the answer to you prayer of temptation where you were trying to tempt God. After all, you know that God exists, simply by looking at nature.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
Problem here is that scientists don't ''vote'', simply when something else explains a phenomena better, that something else is accepted instead, again, by everyone because that was determined to be the best explanation. Who cares if they change or not? That's the point, scientists are able to adapt to those changes, before Einsteins's special relativity we had other theories and explanations, now everyone uses special relativity, if something else works better then scientists will use that and so on until we determine the absolute truth. Religion does not do that.
Voting has to do with expressing decisions that you have made. Scientists vote all the time, even though it isn't generally called voting. However, often their vote IS NOT based on what they truly believe. Often it is based on the way their bosses at the universities where they work tell them to vote... if they want to be able to keep on supporting their families, that is.
Einstein's special relativity focuses on activities within the aether. And it does so in ways that hide the idea that the aether even exists. Yet it is the aether and its workings that support everything regarding the way special relativity works.
Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.
So, now we can see where the religion lies. It lies in the way science is manipulated, to keep the controllers of the high priests (scientists) of science - the university heads and others - in control of the high priests, so that they maintain control of the thinking of the masses who have been directed to blindly follow the follies of science. THAT is the true false religion of our day... science propaganda.
''Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.''
That's the same thing Notbatman says about the flat earth and why they are hiding it from us. You should take a moment and think about it.
Yes, but. The reverse is true about you. You would rather hide the truth in a different way than notbatman. The difference is the way, and the kind of truth you want to hide.
Do I though? I'm a realist, individualist. I accept what it's ''true'' You yourself said, we can't check everything all the time. I don't have the time to check how my Computer works, mouse, phone, etc etc. You have to trust other people, that's how it works. I chose to trust science and scientists because they have proven time and time again that science works. Religion on the other hand hasn't. At least not for me, prayer didn't work for me, most of the times, I would say 99%+. God didn't help me when I needed it the most and I have no reason to trust a book that simply hasn't shown it works like science.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
Problem here is that scientists don't ''vote'', simply when something else explains a phenomena better, that something else is accepted instead, again, by everyone because that was determined to be the best explanation. Who cares if they change or not? That's the point, scientists are able to adapt to those changes, before Einsteins's special relativity we had other theories and explanations, now everyone uses special relativity, if something else works better then scientists will use that and so on until we determine the absolute truth. Religion does not do that.
Voting has to do with expressing decisions that you have made. Scientists vote all the time, even though it isn't generally called voting. However, often their vote IS NOT based on what they truly believe. Often it is based on the way their bosses at the universities where they work tell them to vote... if they want to be able to keep on supporting their families, that is.
Einstein's special relativity focuses on activities within the aether. And it does so in ways that hide the idea that the aether even exists. Yet it is the aether and its workings that support everything regarding the way special relativity works.
Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.
So, now we can see where the religion lies. It lies in the way science is manipulated, to keep the controllers of the high priests (scientists) of science - the university heads and others - in control of the high priests, so that they maintain control of the thinking of the masses who have been directed to blindly follow the follies of science. THAT is the true false religion of our day... science propaganda.
''Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.''
That's the same thing Notbatman says about the flat earth and why they are hiding it from us. You should take a moment and think about it.
Yes, but. The reverse is true about you. You would rather hide the truth in a different way than notbatman. The difference is the way, and the kind of truth you want to hide.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
Problem here is that scientists don't ''vote'', simply when something else explains a phenomena better, that something else is accepted instead, again, by everyone because that was determined to be the best explanation. Who cares if they change or not? That's the point, scientists are able to adapt to those changes, before Einsteins's special relativity we had other theories and explanations, now everyone uses special relativity, if something else works better then scientists will use that and so on until we determine the absolute truth. Religion does not do that.
Voting has to do with expressing decisions that you have made. Scientists vote all the time, even though it isn't generally called voting. However, often their vote IS NOT based on what they truly believe. Often it is based on the way their bosses at the universities where they work tell them to vote... if they want to be able to keep on supporting their families, that is.
Einstein's special relativity focuses on activities within the aether. And it does so in ways that hide the idea that the aether even exists. Yet it is the aether and its workings that support everything regarding the way special relativity works.
Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.
So, now we can see where the religion lies. It lies in the way science is manipulated, to keep the controllers of the high priests (scientists) of science - the university heads and others - in control of the high priests, so that they maintain control of the thinking of the masses who have been directed to blindly follow the follies of science. THAT is the true false religion of our day... science propaganda.
''Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.''
That's the same thing Notbatman says about the flat earth and why they are hiding it from us. You should take a moment and think about it.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
Problem here is that scientists don't ''vote'', simply when something else explains a phenomena better, that something else is accepted instead, again, by everyone because that was determined to be the best explanation. Who cares if they change or not? That's the point, scientists are able to adapt to those changes, before Einsteins's special relativity we had other theories and explanations, now everyone uses special relativity, if something else works better then scientists will use that and so on until we determine the absolute truth. Religion does not do that.
Voting has to do with expressing decisions that you have made. Scientists vote all the time, even though it isn't generally called voting. However, often their vote IS NOT based on what they truly believe. Often it is based on the way their bosses at the universities where they work tell them to vote... if they want to be able to keep on supporting their families, that is.
Einstein's special relativity focuses on activities within the aether. And it does so in ways that hide the idea that the aether even exists. Yet it is the aether and its workings that support everything regarding the way special relativity works.
Who is it that really wants to hide the aether from us? Who is it that understands the great power that all people can hold just by recognizing that the aether exists? Who is it that wants us to remain enslaved by not recognizing the freedom that we all have when we properly understand the aether? That is why Einstein's theories were put into play the way they were... to camouflage aether freedom from the common people.
So, now we can see where the religion lies. It lies in the way science is manipulated, to keep the controllers of the high priests (scientists) of science - the university heads and others - in control of the high priests, so that they maintain control of the thinking of the masses who have been directed to blindly follow the follies of science. THAT is the true false religion of our day... science propaganda.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
Problem here is that scientists don't ''vote'', simply when something else explains a phenomena better, that something else is accepted instead, again, by everyone because that was determined to be the best explanation. Who cares if they change or not? That's the point, scientists are able to adapt to those changes, before Einsteins's special relativity we had other theories and explanations, now everyone uses special relativity, if something else works better then scientists will use that and so on until we determine the absolute truth. Religion does not do that.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
Why do you think that science theories change? Some scientists simply disagree with some others. And it happens that the ones who are deemed socially right are the ones who determine when and which science theories change. It's all about voting among the scientists... and the people who pay them the most money.
If you are REALLY looking for an answer you should look for yourself to see whether He exists or not, he says if you look for me you will find me, however you must do it with an open heart and an open mind, and by an open mind I don't mean to accept just faith as a fact, what I mean is you should be objective and just accept whats true (not being a fanatic of science nor a fanatic of religion). Investigate the God of the Bible and you will find out no other god has done what he has, look for the dietary restrictions from the bible and you will be able to prove based on the type of body of each animal that God is the real way to science.
Well put comment bro, that is a good way to start exploring the unknown and find the truth for yourself.
None of those reasons prove god unfortunately, otherwise science and people would have come to an agreement by now.
The only reason scientists don't understand God from science is the same reason that you don't understand God from science. They and you simply don't want to. Science easily proves the existence of God in the machine-like qualities of nature. Machines have makers.
Not only scientists but more than half of the world do not agree with you. There was a time people believed the earth was flat, we proved them wrong, experiments/tests and eventually went to outer space. Now everyone (except a few nutjobs) know the earth is round. The bible had thousands of years to prove god exists and yet here we are, more than half of the people in the world do not believe in god and more and more atheists are born each year.
Scientists are normal people like you and me, they just have more knowledge, unfortunately there is no experiment/test or slight of evidence for god that can be examined and so science cannot accept god as real.
Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist. It's the engineers who make things happen.
It's not that people don't believe that God exists. It's that they have given up on pinning Him down to their understanding, to make Him give them the things that they want the way that they want them. You are the perfect example of this. You have told yourself for such a long time that God doesn't exist that you have convinced yourself that you believe it.
Normal people die. None of them understand how life can exist. That makes life a God thing. Simple observation of the universe and life points to God without showing Him directly.
''Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist.'' That should win an award to the stupidest statement in 2018. Scientific theories are by definition an agreement of the best explanation of a phenomenon LOL.
If you are REALLY looking for an answer you should look for yourself to see whether He exists or not, he says if you look for me you will find me, however you must do it with an open heart and an open mind, and by an open mind I don't mean to accept just faith as a fact, what I mean is you should be objective and just accept whats true (not being a fanatic of science nor a fanatic of religion). Investigate the God of the Bible and you will find out no other god has done what he has, look for the dietary restrictions from the bible and you will be able to prove based on the type of body of each animal that God is the real way to science.
None of those reasons prove god unfortunately, otherwise science and people would have come to an agreement by now.
The only reason scientists don't understand God from science is the same reason that you don't understand God from science. They and you simply don't want to. Science easily proves the existence of God in the machine-like qualities of nature. Machines have makers.
Not only scientists but more than half of the world do not agree with you. There was a time people believed the earth was flat, we proved them wrong, experiments/tests and eventually went to outer space. Now everyone (except a few nutjobs) know the earth is round. The bible had thousands of years to prove god exists and yet here we are, more than half of the people in the world do not believe in god and more and more atheists are born each year.
Scientists are normal people like you and me, they just have more knowledge, unfortunately there is no experiment/test or slight of evidence for god that can be examined and so science cannot accept god as real.
Scientists don't even agree with themselves. That's why scientific theories exist. It's the engineers who make things happen.
It's not that people don't believe that God exists. It's that they have given up on pinning Him down to their understanding, to make Him give them the things that they want the way that they want them. You are the perfect example of this. You have told yourself for such a long time that God doesn't exist that you have convinced yourself that you believe it.
Normal people die. None of them understand how life can exist. That makes life a God thing. Simple observation of the universe and life points to God without showing Him directly.
None of those reasons prove god unfortunately, otherwise science and people would have come to an agreement by now.
The only reason scientists don't understand God from science is the same reason that you don't understand God from science. They and you simply don't want to. Science easily proves the existence of God in the machine-like qualities of nature. Machines have makers.
Not only scientists but more than half of the world do not agree with you. There was a time people believed the earth was flat, we proved them wrong, experiments/tests and eventually went to outer space. Now everyone (except a few nutjobs) know the earth is round. The bible had thousands of years to prove god exists and yet here we are, more than half of the people in the world do not believe in god and more and more atheists are born each year.
Scientists are normal people like you and me, they just have more knowledge, unfortunately there is no experiment/test or slight of evidence for god that can be examined and so science cannot accept god as real.
None of those reasons prove god unfortunately, otherwise science and people would have come to an agreement by now.
The only reason scientists don't understand God from science is the same reason that you don't understand God from science. They and you simply don't want to. Science easily proves the existence of God in the machine-like qualities of nature. Machines have makers.
''Scientific examinations of the writings prove the Bible in many ways.'' Scientific examinations of the bible indicate it has many scientific flaws, anyhow muslims claim their ''bible'' is the best one, just like Hinduism, Judaism, etc etc, they all think their book/understanding is the best.
Wrong. Most of the standard Bible scientific studies, don't really include a whole lot of science that pertains to the Bible, including studies on the kind of people the ancient Hebrews were, and the kind of people the modern Israelite people are. On top of that, these scientists often come to conclusions set by their own desires rather than conclusions based on scientific Bible studies.
You can Google search for scientists who understand, and why they understand the way they do, that the Bible is scientifically accurate. This is science, not somebody who simply wants to believe.
''One of the ways is to count the numbers of hand written copies of the books of each of these'' And why is that arbitrary reason the best way to find which god is the real one? Who decided that's the best way to know?
When all the major miners come in with 5 to 10 one-ounce nuggets a week, but one of them comes in with 100 one-ounce nuggets per week for weeks on end, did that one find the mother load? Who knows? but the prospectors suddenly follow him out to his claim to see if there is some nearby land that they can claim.
So, it is the people who have decided that this is one of the best ways to know, simply by making so many accurate copies.
Well since there is no way to know which god is the real one, allah, jesus, zeus, etc etc there is no point in trying to believe in any of the, not that you can force yourself to believe anyways.
It's true that your post doesn't say much of anything regarding which God is the real God. But there are ways to find out which one.
One of the ways is to count the numbers of hand written copies of the books of each of these. The Bible beats out all the rest hands down, which would be impossible if it weren't backed by God.
Scientific examinations of the writings prove the Bible in many ways.
The fact that there are way more copies of the Bible being spread around the world, helps.
The fact that the nation of Israel has been around since 1500 BC, helps.
We can see that the God of the Bible is the real God.
''One of the ways is to count the numbers of hand written copies of the books of each of these'' And why is that arbitrary reason the best way to find which god is the real one? Who decided that's the best way to know?
''Scientific examinations of the writings prove the Bible in many ways.'' Scientific examinations of the bible indicate it has many scientific flaws, anyhow muslims claim their ''bible'' is the best one, just like Hinduism, Judaism, etc etc, they all think their book/understanding is the best.
None of those reasons prove god unfortunately, otherwise science and people would have come to an agreement by now.
Well since there is no way to know which god is the real one, allah, jesus, zeus, etc etc there is no point in trying to believe in any of the, not that you can force yourself to believe anyways.
It's true that your post doesn't say much of anything regarding which God is the real God. But there are ways to find out which one.
One of the ways is to count the numbers of hand written copies of the books of each of these. The Bible beats out all the rest hands down, which would be impossible if it weren't backed by God.
Scientific examinations of the writings prove the Bible in many ways.
The fact that there are way more copies of the Bible being spread around the world, helps.
The fact that the nation of Israel has been around since 1500 BC, helps.
We can see that the God of the Bible is the real God.
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